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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 11:36 AM
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A long-time friend posted on Facebook
begging for help. At worst, they will lose their home. At best, they will not be able to afford heating and utilities for the winter. And before someone else says it, they haven't had cable for a while. They live in Kansas.

They are teabaggers. OF course, the "liberal" atmosphere and legislation in Kansas have contributed to their dilemma, however, they are blaming the Democrats.

And to be honest...I think the Democrats do have a hand in this. It has ALWAYS been the Democrats that have saved people from the atrocious policies of republicans. Until now.

We have enabled the republicans to hurt people....republicans and Democrats alike.

By not standing strong, we have failed in our moral obligation. To save people from themselves. It is what we have always done. Until now.

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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 11:40 AM
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1. Gee, sounds like they should cancel their Internet service first
If I had to choose between heating my home (or even keeping it) versus posting on Facebook, I know where I would start cutting first.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 11:41 AM
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2. I think you should read where they don't have cable--that includes internet
she hasn't been online in a while and posted that from somewhere else.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 11:46 AM
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4. Maybe posting from the local public library ...
which Teabaggers would like to do away with because it's gubmint money?

BTW, not having cable doesn't mean you don't have Internet service. Could be DSL or another connection.
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Proud Public Servant Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 11:47 AM
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5. Why would you assume he's at home
The local branch of my public library has internet access, and I see people there all the time using it for email, Facebook, Youtube, etc.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 11:51 AM
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8. Because true Teabaggers wouldn't be caught dead in a "socialist" library
My post was sarcastic, but I guess I needed to put a smiley on it.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 11:42 AM
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3. What town in Kansas?
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 11:48 AM
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6. I believe they are characterizing the situation entirely wrong:
What is actually happening is the Dems are helping them become poor so they can live like kings off of food stamps, welfare, afdc, etc.
Kings, i tell ya'! Good times are just over the horizon!
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 11:55 AM
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11. LOL. Yeah.
I know several people that vote (R) that are in seriously bad shape and SHOULD be voting for liberal and progressive Dems...but don't.

I guess my point is, that no matter how these folks vote, we've always rescued them from what they have voted for. But it doesn't look like we will this time. And we will STILL take the blame.:(
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daggahead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 11:50 AM
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7. According to Ron Paul, it was their god-given American right ...
... to choose to live like this.

Honestly, I don't like anybody to be in this predicament. It could happen to any one of us, if it hasn't already.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 11:52 AM
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9. I agree. BUT luckily Democratic programs like SS and Medicare
even take care of folks who hate Democrats as in this case.:(

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daggahead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 03:11 PM
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21. I was being sarcastic ...
... but yes, we Democrats are willing to help anybody - conservative, progressive, religious, atheist ... we're all human.
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 11:53 AM
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10. The beatings will continue
Until the Teabaggers understand or until they are extinct. No charity towards Teabaggers!
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:04 PM
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12. A teachable moment?
You will, undoubtedly, offer what assistance you can, being the generous and kind-hearted person you are. This might also be a good opportunity, when your long-time friend's mind is so nicely concentrated on her problems, to intimate that this is why we organize our government, and make provisions for people when they get into difficulty. While you will do what you can out of what little you have, the pooling of resources and commitments through governmental agencies make assistance more generally and more efficiently available.

Gandhi once said that freedom is not worth having if it doesn't include the freedom to make mistakes. I would expand on that to include the freedom to fail or otherwise come up short. Practically everybody can get jammed up, either through a hideous confluence of circumstances or through a simple miscalculation. A civilized society is organized so that such an occasion isn't fatal. We look out for each other and we get help from each other for a reason. It's a pretty selfish country that can't look out for its own citizens while lavishing the blessings of liberty and freedom that we all create on a select few.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:08 PM
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14. I wish.
They have been so indoctrinated with hatred against the Democratic establishment that it would take a miracle to break through that barrier.

When I was little, she was older than me, she was the cool kid that always kept my ass from getting kicked, lol.

Outside of politics, she is a good person.

BUT I can't convince her that the toxic politics that she supports is what got them in this mess.

Perhaps in time, I don't know.:(
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Frosty1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:41 PM
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17. That was really well said!
:applause:
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:07 PM
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13. Just have sympathy for them
Lend a shoulder or an ear. Help if you can. Some folks are just really easily led by things like Fox and/or talk radio. Be a good friend and show them how democrats have compassion for all people :)

I really hope they don't lose their home. Also encourage them to check into heating assistance programs, food stamps, etc before winter hits. Sometimes people don't realize how necessary these things are until they have been helped by them.
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Wait Wut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:08 PM
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15. When people are hurt, in trouble, etc...
...I forget politics. When they're back on their feet (hopefully before winter) then we can point out their hypocrisy. Now, it sounds like they're in bad shape.

Do they have small children? Have they spoken to their church leaders? I know there are several charitable organizations that will help with utilities, but they're strapped for chash, as well.

The problem with many right-wingers is that they will die before taking "hand-outs", even when they've paid for them througout the years. If you can, gently point out that what they've given, either in the form of charity or taxes, and they shouldn't feel ashamed of asking for something in return when they really need it.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 01:46 PM
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20. Luckily no small kids.
I spent the morning googling some resources that might be available to them and I sent them.

Hopefully they will help.

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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:11 PM
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16. I don't understand how/why they're blaming Democrats
Edited on Mon Sep-19-11 12:13 PM by maxsolomon
because Abortion makes Baby Jesus cry?

or because Obama hasn't pushed the magic button and turned the economy around (he has been pushing the tax-cut button repeatedly, though), back to a foundation of unsustainable, cheap energy, debt & fraud-based growth? What do they think a GOP administration would have done differently? Do they know this is a GLOBAL ECONOMIC DOWNTURN? I realize they likely haven't thought things through that far...
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 08:52 PM
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27. A Republican administration would have put a Republican in the White House. That's what they
Edited on Mon Sep-19-11 08:57 PM by tblue37
would have done differently. Most Americans think in terms of "my team" and "the other team," without any real reference to the substance of policies. The Democrats are, quite simply, "the other team," so they are by definition the bad guys.

If they are like some, they might also be thinking that a Republican administration would not have put a Black family in the White House, but they don't even have to be racist to consider Obama to be the enemy just because he is a Democrat.

Let me offer an analogy.

The University of Kansas and the University of Missouri have an intense sports rivalry with its legendary roots in the Border Wars known as "Bleeding Kansas." Few of any of the people who go to either school today, and few if any of the fans of either school, have any actual connection to the Border Wars. Most of us are transplants of one sort or another, many quite recent.

Nevertheless, I am constantly horrified to hear of people in respectable positions (professors, administrators, some coaches in the past, perhaps even some today) here at KU (and I hear also of some in Missouri) spouting off loudly about how much they hate "those people” and how, quite simply, Mizzou and its people are "evil." (And, no, there is no hint of irony or humor in such pronouncements. They are almost always spoken quite seriously.)

Recently an 88-year-old former KU coach died after falling and hitting his head. Many of the op-ed columns and sports columns written to laud the man went on and on (admiringly!) about how he hated the University of Missouri, and how he would be invited by current coaches to give such spirited, passionate talks to the current players--talks in which he would rant about how "They are the bad guys and we are the good guys" and about how evil they are and how he hated them. He even told the players that Quantrill (whose gang burned Lawrence and murdered the town's men and boys) was an MU graduate (untrue, of course).

The writers of these laudatory columns also noted, obviously chuckling affectionately, that Fambrough would get so worked up in his hatred of Mizzou that spittle would actually form at the corners of his mouth and start flying.

See what I mean? An our team/their team sports rivalry has been elevated to passionate "hatred" of a group of people simply because they are official sports rivals of our university.

BTW, when the football games between the schools used to take place in the schools' hometowns rather than at Arrowhead Stadium, the Mizzou coach would make sure their vehicles were well gassed up before leaving Missouri, because he didn't want to spend one red cent in Kansas, because Kansas was the enemy.

Players and fans of either team don’t feel quite safe on the home turf of the other team: cars get keyed, individuals get jumped and beaten if they are recognized as one of the enemy, etc.

On the rare occasion that someone suggests that taking a sports rivalry into actual frothing at the mouth hatred is a bit over the top, the mouth-frothers will often reply with some reference to the Border Wars. Both sides actually did commit atrocities in that war (the original jayhawkers committed terrorism as well, though Quantrill's gang committed the most intense documented atrocities), so both sides today claim the evil actions of the other side during the Border War as justification for their passionate hatred.

But the reality is that people just like to belong to an in-group and to have an excuse to passionately hate "the other," however the other is defined. They just love to hate the enemy, and the enemy is whatever person or group the members of their own in-group has identified as the enemy. For most people, that means that the people closest to them in their family or community will tell them whom to hate. A few break free from this pattern (for example, many of us here on DU come from staunch Republican families), but most people simply continue to believe what they have grown up being told about who the enemy is.

Remember the old Star Trek episode, starring impersonator Frank Gorshin, from the original series in which the last two survivors of a planet that had warred itself to death continued to relentlessly pursue each other because each wished to kill the last survivor of the opposing race? The difference between the two races was merely that the faces of one group were black on the right side and white on the left side, while the faces of the other group were white on the right side and black on the left. That was enough of a difference to allow them to manufacture an immortal hatred of each other and to fight each other to the death--of their respective species and of all life on their planet.

These Republcians don’t hate Democrats because they deplore their policies. They don’t actually know anything about Republican and Democratic policies—and wouldn’t believe the information if it were handed to them on a silver platter. All they know is that the Democrats are “the enemy,” just as all new people here on the KU campus are informed during traditions night that Mizzou are the enemy and to be well and thoroughly hated. They have no real reason for hating them, but they are supposed to, so they jump right onto the bandwagon.

Every now and then I get a student from Missouri who finds that he or she has become persona non grata back in his or her hometown and school, simply because he or she has become a Jayhawk—by definition an “evil” person and “the enemy.” I imagine the same thing happens to Kansas kids who end up going to school at Mizzou.

Americans are, in general, low information voters, so this sort of sports team rivalry is the standard model for their politics.

It’s dumb in sports, but it’s deadly in politics.

Recently an 88-year-old former KU coach died after falling and hitting his head. Many of the op-ed columns and sports columns written to laud the man went on and on about how her hated the University of Missouri, and how he would be invited by current coaches to give such spirited, passionate talks to the current players--talks in which he would go on and on about how "They are the bad guys and we are the good guys" and about how evil they are and how he hated them. He even told the players that Quantrill (whose gang burned Lawrence and murdered the town's men and boys) was an MU graduate (untrue, of course).

The writers of these laudatory columns also noted, obviously chuckling affectionately, that Fambrough would get so worked up in his hatred of Mizzou that spiitle would actually form at the corners of his mouth and start flying.

See what I mean? An our team/their team sports rivalry has been elevated to "hatred" of a group of people simply because they are offical sports rivals of our university.

BTW, their when the football games between the schools used to take place in the shcools' hometowns rather than at Arrowhead Stadium, the Mizzou coach would make sure their vehicles were well gassed up before leaving Missouri, because he didn't want to spend one red cent in Kansas, becuase Kansas was the enemy.

On the rare occasion someone (like me) suggests that taking a sports rivalry into actual frothing at the mouth hatred is a bit over the top, the frothers will often reply with some reference to the Border Wars. Both sides did commit atrocities in that war (the original jayhawkers were terrorists as well, though Quantrill's gang committed the most intense atrocities), so both sides today claim the evil actions of the other side during the Border War as justification for their intense hatred.

But the reality is that people just like to belong to an in-group and to have an excuse to passionately hate "the other," owever the other is defined.

Remember the old Star Trek episode, starring impersonator Frank Gorshin, from the original series in which the last two survivors of a planet that had warred itself to death continued to relentlessly pursue each other because each wished to kill the last survivor of the opposing race. The difference between the two races was merely that the faces of one group were black on the right side and white on the left side, while the faces of the other group were white on the right side and black on the left. That was enough of a difference to allow them to manufacture an immortal hatred of each other and to fight each other to the death--of their respective species and of all life on their planet.

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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:44 PM
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18. Are they asking for help from the government or greedy Republicans?
I think they would be far better off if they sought government assistance rather than begging money from those that are filled with greed and corruption.. Just my opinion of course..
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 01:44 PM
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19. Neither. They are asking for help from their friends. n/t
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 07:42 PM
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22. And so it goes in the Land of Wingnut.
No taxes, no government agencies, and when you get into trouble you appeal to charity. No problem, because all the wingnuts voluntarily pitch in to help those in need.

"But I also happen to be someone who believes in tithing--the giving of a tenth (to charity)."

--Ronald Reagan, from The Weekly Compilation of Presidential Documents, February 8, 1982. (He may have believed in tithing, but he didn't practice it. Reagan's total charitable giving of $5,965 did not approach 10% of total income. It was more like 1.4%.)

http://thereaganyears.tripod.com/reaganquotes.htm
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cyglet Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 08:05 PM
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24. Yes, it's voluntary, and most will choose to voluntarily not. n/t
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 08:02 PM
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23. I no longer feel a moral obligation to protect assholes.
sorry.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 08:09 PM
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25. The Greek gods had a favorite way of punishing mortals.
They would grant exactly what it was that the mortals thought they wanted. That punishment is highly deserved by these teabaggers.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 11:40 PM
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33. You beat me to it. Seriously, I don't support R-W a**holes. Let someone else do it.
There are plenty of people I support, but I have limited resources and people who are "down on their luck" but otherwise OK, and who want to insult something I believe in, can get their help elsewhere.

If they're bleeding or injured, then I'll help them get to the hospital.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 08:15 PM
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26. I'm sorry, my friend, and agree with you. n/t
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Fuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 08:54 PM
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28. Kansas? Liberal? Yikes
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 10:16 PM
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29. I've had a Republican mooching off of me for months now
I have a friend who had a stroke. My husband and I invited her to stay with us when she got out of the rehab center for a few weeks. This was back in the beginning of February. She's still here. But yet, she decries people who are mooching off of the government!

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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 10:19 PM
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30. Now's their chance to experience their every man for himself philosophy
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 11:32 PM
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31. Not okay that happened to ANYONE. But you're right that this is the result of wingnuts getting their

way "at last." We should all be careful of what corporate capitalists and the RW wish for.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 11:35 PM
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32. Is there a way I can donate against them?
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