Michael Moore: I went into the polls to vote for a black man and got a white man!

[ecstatic]

It was Bill Maher who originally said something like that. It wasn't funny then, and isn't funny now.

Uggh. His 15 minutes can't end fast enough! :puke: :eyes:

[Quantess]

1. They can't all be zingers.

Unrec.

[struggle4progress]

124. Moore actually did OK. Here's a link to the video:

The View: Michael Moore Talks Politics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9Vc44rQ09k

[Marrah_G]

2. Now Michael Moore is the enemy?

:rofl:

Yeah his 15...errr 20...err 25....... years..... can't be up fast enough! :eyes:

You should make a list of all liberal and lefty public figures who have said something negative about Obama and/or one of his policies.

That way we know who to scream " STOP BEING MEAN TO OBAMA" at.

[Bucky]

34. No, but racial determinism is definitely the enemy of liberalism.

The implication of his statement is that any blacks who are liberal aren't making an informed choice, aren't even capable of making an informed choice, between competing political viewpoints. If you're black, you have to think and act a certain way, or you're no true Scotsman African American.

[QC]

120. Michael Moore is now the enemy, but Bob Shrum and Andrew Sullivan are heroes.

Holy rightward lurch, Batman!

[NorthCarolina]

131. Well, he IS a Liberal, and this IS DU afterall. Have you not been to GD:P lately or something? nt

[Stinky The Clown]

159. I wish I could rec your reply

The demand for Ombamadoration is only going to get worse as the election season engulfs us.

[TroglodyteScholar]

3. His 15 minutes?

His 15 minutes have been happening since the 1980's. He's not going away.

[Hoosier Daddy]

81. My thought exactly

If the quote is accurate, he's just being dumb. That doesn't invalidate the good things he's done.

[trumad]

4. Wow---the meaning went right over your head.

and you really think Mike just has 15 minutes?

[ecstatic]

6. Please enlighten me on the meaning. And explain how it isn't offensive

to both blacks and whites, and especially to mixed race people?

[trumad]

30. See post 13

now you explain the 15 minute comment.

[pintobean]

16. Yes, please explain it.

It appears to me that Moore is judging Obama on the color of his skin. How is that not racist?

[trumad]

See post 13.

I think it's metaphorical as hell.

[banned from Kos]

31. its potentially offensive because it denigrates race as a style

Like that black basketball player "plays white".

I can see how the converse is offensive as well.

[whistler162]

90. More like 5 seconds.

[Donnachaidh]

5. .....

Michael Moore under the bus now -- hey, we can give him ideas for his next documentary -- yay! :sarcasm:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[tblue]

7. What does that even mean?

When was this he said that?

[trumad]

13. I take it to mean that for everything African Americans have been through...

you'd think they'd have more empathy for the working class not Wall Street.

[pintobean]

40. Then, why didn't he say that?

You can't just make stuff up.

[Bucky]

44. Still racial determinism. For everything whites have been thru they should be pro-working class too

Sadly, many people of all stripes vote against their economic self interest--it's not just Warren Buffet and Alan Keyes.

[in_cog_ni_to]

8. Michael Moore is a National treasure. EMBRACE HIM for all he has done for this country.. n/t

[Ichingcarpenter]

17. He has told the truth in all his films

and it hurts.

I didn't really vote for a black man but hoped he at least acted like one.

I nominated this thread.
Yeah.... piss on that .... I understood what Moore said

It was a meme.

[ecstatic]

19. How does a black man act? nt

[Ichingcarpenter]

27. Someone that knows about Civil Rights and political economic injustices

And Walks the walks

Or Herman Cain

[Bucky]

45. It's just sloppy using race as a shorthand for "ability to use reasoning skills"

[Ichingcarpenter]

48. I don't think most understand what he meant

in a short meme

[Name removed]

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[Number23]

139. "I didn't really vote for a black man but hoped he at least acted like one."

Can you explain what that's even SUPPOSED to mean?

[dana_b]

83. thank you! that's my

thought/feelings as well.

[adhd_what_huh]

9. He gave us Nader in Florida and threw us all under the BUS!

[trumad]

11. Bullshit...Nader gave us Nader....

I don't begrudge anyone who voted for Nader.

[adhd_what_huh]

56. I do....they gave us Bush....just a fact...deal with it..

[frylock]

95. anybody who believes that is not dealing with reality..

go ahead and overlook the supreme court, hanging chads, electoral fraud, and 200,000+ registered DEMOCRATS in FL that actually pulled the lever for bush. instead choose to denigrate voters for excerising their constituuional fucking rights if it helps you to sleep better at night.

[adhd_what_huh]

102. Nader split the Dem vote to the Green party and made all the

difference. Why do you think he is so hated. He pushed the nonesense that Dems are no better than Repubs and Moore supported him.....this is the fact...(Nader...Green Party...Moore....and Bush). Deal with the truth.

[frylock]

109. he's hated because ignorance abounds..

why do you think you can dictate the way people choose to vote? you don't hate the democratic process, do you?

i can't help but notice that you failed to address a single point from my previous post, opting instead to continue with your two-minutes hate.

[adhd_what_huh]

116. now you are just being silly

[frylock]

127. and you have yet to post anything that would prove me to be mistaken..

add a little substance, n00b.

[adhd_what_huh]

153. Listen....I can't help you. It's like arguing with a member of the Tea Party

[frylock]

156. you haven't argued shit..

you post one line zingers and split. fuck you and your tea party reference. get back to me when have a fact or two to back up your garbage, n00b.

[MicaelS]

67. I begrudge EVERYONE who voted for Nader n/t

[tblue]

140. Amen to that. It was the freaking SCOTUS.

[ecstatic]

25. On the view, he said he probably won't vote for Obama in 2012

He's doing it again, yet everyone here thinks he's our friend?? Will they still think he's a friend when we have President Perry, or will all be forgiven when he makes a cute little movie showing how Perry is destroying the country (with no mention of the fact that he helped Perry win)?

[texastoast]

37. You have to forgive us

There are a bunch of progressives here (not nearly so many as there used to be, apparently). While I don't agree with Moore's comment, a LOT of progressive Dems feel very disenfranchised.

[G_j]

39. in a sense, MM is my friend

he has fought for me a lot harder than Obama..

[fishwax]

55. he did? I didn't see that quote n/t

[dana_b]

84. that's not what he said

He said that he didn't know who he was going to vote for yet.

[MrSlayer]

149. He did not say that.

He said he didn't know who he was going to vote for yet. And then one of the hosts said "Come on, you're not going to vote for the Republican!" and Moore replied that "No, I'm not going to vote for a Republican." He did not say that he probably would not vote for the President.

Unless you're calling Obama a Republican.

[sabrina 1]

26. Gore won the 2000 election, what are you talking about?

[Bucky]

38. Gore won and Iraqi civilians lost

[adhd_what_huh]

50. Moore split the Dem vote in Florida....thus Bush....deal with it.

[marmar]

135. Michael Moore had that much influence over the Florida election? Amazing.

nt

[adhd_what_huh]

47. Moore supported Nader at first and helped Nader split the Dem

vote in Florida which is why Florida was won by a hair thin margin or at least by enough to steal the election. It was not until after it was evident that Gore needed Florida that Moore asked his supporters to ignore his previous statements about Dem's and vote for Gore...

How can you not know this...you must be under 25 years old.

[frylock]

97. did moore encourage those 200,000+ registered dems that voted for bush?

what vote did they split?

[adhd_what_huh]

103. you are so ignorant of that time....how old are you?

[tkmorris]

107. Sounds to me like Frylock knows more than you

Besides, it's rather rude to just call someone ignorant out of the blue like that. The poster certainly didn't post anything that isn't demonstrably correct so on what basis would you make such an accusation anyway? If you have an argument to make, MAKE IT, don't make it personal.

[frylock]

110. i'm 45 years old..

why don't you break it down for me, professor. tell me exactly where i'm wrong. your replies thus far have been devoid of any content whatsoever. i do look forward to your schooling.

[adhd_what_huh]

117. I would have to teach you basic political history about

the 2000 election...and I forgot what we where arguing about.

[frylock]

123. i've got all day and an open mind..

just to warn you in advance, i come from the Greg Palast school of Election Fraud 2000, so i would be mightily impressed if you could, as you humbly put it, "teach (me) basic political history about the 2000 election." i have to admit that i don't have much confidence in you, considering your posts betray your "knowledge" of what actually went down. quite frankly, i'm leaning towards you knowing fuckall.

[adhd_what_huh]

152. Nader made it close enough for the fraud to occur

[frylock]

158. nader exercised his constutional right to run as president..

i'm sorry your party can't put up a better candidate. it is nice to see you finally come around and admit that nader didn't cost gore the election. that's an improvement.

[sabrina 1]

100. The SC decided the Florida election results.

How can YOU not know this?

[adhd_what_huh]

104. It only got to the SC because Nader and the Green Party split

the Dem vote...this is factual hitory. It is why Nader is hated by Dems....Pull your head out.

[sabrina 1]

108. Nader is not hated by Dems, he is hated by a small

minority who cover for the Republicans' crime of treason in 2000, by diverting attention away from the actual crime, and pointing fingers at what was a perfectly legal, democratic excercise in an attempt to redirect the anger that should have swept the country as a result of that stolen election, in a completely different and totally irrelevant direction.

The election would have been stolen no matter what. It was planned and the SC decision was only part of the many other illegal activities that contributed to the crime.

What you are doing is perfectly ludicrous. It is the equivalent of, in the aftermath of a huge bank heist, blaming innocent and perfectly legal depositors for putting money in the bank before the Big Heist, therefore helping the robbers get MORE than they should have. Thereby placing the focus on something completely irrelevant to the Heist itself.

This garbage has contributed hugely, and is used by rightwingers also with a vested interest in not addressing the treason committed by their party, to undermining the efforts of people actually interested in educating the public about that crime, which was pre-meditated and which nothing was going to stop.

Nader and anyone else who wants to, can legally run for office in this country. He did nothing wrong, but thanks for ignoring what Vincent Bugliosi proved was actual treason in his book 'None Dare Call it Treason'. The felons on the SC thank those who consistently attempt to redirect attention away from the massive crime they committed against the US Constitution and the American people.

[adhd_what_huh]

121. I can't help you if you're not willing to learn. Nader is roundly despised

by all Democrat's for splitting the vote in Florida with the Green Party (he was the Green Party candidate). Because he made the false equivalency argument about Dem's and Repubs and pulled 97k votes from Gore we lost.

[frylock]

125. and you have the data to back up your assertion that nader is roundly despised by ALL dems..

because this looks like another nugget pulled from the vast wastelands of your ass. but if you have the data to back it up, i'd be more than willing to issue an apology.

[adhd_what_huh]

150. I like the vast wasteland of your ass....can I use it...

I dare you to go to a Dem meeting and talk up Nader.

[frylock]

157. you keep talking, but you never say shit..

blah blah blah democratic meeting.

[sabrina 1]

147. Repeating talking points over and over doesn't make them true.

I can't help it if you don't know your history. Or if you think that most Democrats hate Nader, quite the contrary. He's highly respected on the left, except for, as I said, a small disgruntled minority who will never accept the fact that when a candidate loses, it's either because of foul play, or he did not inspire the voters. In Gore/Bush it was a combination of the two.

Over 300,000 Democrats voted for Bush, proving my point above, far more than for Nader. Who do you blame for that? Maybe the party should not have chosen Lieberman as VP.

And most of those Nader voters would not have voted for Gore anyhow.

But despite all of that, Gore won.

Then the Republican criminals on the SC stole the election for Bush.

That's all there is to know about it. The only crime committed that day was committed by the SC, a day of infamy in this country's history.

The rest was all legal. The Dems who voted for Bush. Nader running for office. All of that was legal so there is no point in carrying on about it unless you don't believe in Democracy.

Gore won and the SC stole it, period.

[adhd_what_huh]

151. I don't know what you think is a talking point on my part.

If not for Nader....there never would have been a Bush.....

[sabrina 1]

168. That's the talking point.

A talking point is something that is repeated over and over again regardless of it having no basis in fact.

[SammyWinstonJack]

32. No he didn't. Moore asked Nader to throw his support to Gore and ask his supporters to do the same.

Nader refused that request.

[Shagbark Hickory]

43. ^^^^ +!+!+! ^^^^

[Bucky]

165. What the hell is that emoticon? Three caddies removing flags from golf holes in the mountains?

Sorry, but that's the most confusing emoticon ever. Learn to type in English or go back to Emotoland where your kind comes from.

[adhd_what_huh]

53. Only after he knew his support was needed to avoid a Bush win

He spent the entire election supporting Nader and playing the Dem's and Repubs are the same game. He was a Green Party super star....this is a fact....deal with it.

[Lucian]

115. What an idiotic statement.

I seriously got dumber reading it.

[EmeraldCityGrl]

161. “Voting for Nader is an exercise of white privilege.”

quoted from Stan Goff and all too true.

[dennis4868]

10. well...

the 1950s and 60s had Martin Luther King and we have Michael Moore...enough said :-(

And by the way, Obama who is fighting hard now still does not and will not have the votes to pass his jobs bill...even dems in congress are not backing him...LIKE I HAVE BEEN SAYING, THE PROBLEM IS NOT OBAMA (never was) BUT IT'S THE DEMS IN CONGRESS.....but DUers and PL let them off the hook time after time.

[sabrina 1]

33. There is a reason why some Dems are not supporting his jobs

bill. But, hey, it's never Obama's fault to some people. When you all stop enabling bad policies, maybe we'll have a chance of keeping the WH and getting a majority, but this garbage that it is everyone else's fault, simply makes the Party look like whining, spoiled babies.

[MsKandice01]

52. What part of the jobs bill is "bad policy"

And when have any Dems in this Congress proposed anything better?

[sabrina 1]

112. Lots of Dems have made better proposals,

but they have all been ignored. Bad policy is putting Medicare on the table in return for tax cuts for billionaires.

[sabrina 1]

113. You haven't been paying attention, many Dems have made

excellent proposals but have been completely ignored. Which your comment, ironically, proves. Seems you are unaware of any proposals other than this one.

And it's extremely bad policy to use Medicare as a bargaining chip with Republicans. I thought most Democrats agreed on that.

"He will veto any bill that takes one dime from the Medicare benefits seniors rely on without asking the wealthiest Americans and biggest corporations to pay their fair share,"

That's a statement from WH rep. He should have stopped before he got to the 'without asking the wealthiest Americans'. One has nothing to do with the other.

This idea of using the Social Safety net programs as bargaining chips is a hugely bad policy, but has become a hallmark of this President's negotiating policies.

[adhd_what_huh]

58. Give me one good reason to not support his jobs bill...just one.

[MsKandice01]

49. So true...

Where is the rest of the Democratic Party?? Why aren't they stepping up and supporting him?? Why is he doing this all on his own?? People love to complain that he doesn't want to lead...but how can they say that when he's literally the only Democratic proposing trying to get anything done?

[fishwax]

12. what are you referring to? n/t

[my2sense]

14. It's funny how the 1 drop rule is still in play

Last I checked the POTUS was bi-racial.

[sammytko]

114. I was thinking the same thing also - he's half white

crazy stuff here.

[jaxx]

15. No, it isn't funny.

Too bad Moore didn't go to the polls to vote for the man who would be president.

Who knew MM was racist.

[Solomon]

118. There are many racist

progressives. Being progressive doesn't innoculate one from the disease.

[Name removed]

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[still_one]

20. I agree, and it also has unecessary sterotypes as though if you are a certain ethnic background, you

shoud "behave" a certain way

[young but wise]

91. Exactly.

Truly disgusting.

[Number23]

141. There are people posting in this thread who apparently hold those stereotypes near and dear

And I'm sure they are the same DUers who can't pat themselves on the back hard enough with how "smart" "wordly" and "informed" they are.

[bullwinkle428]

21. Do you have a link to indicate the accuracy of the quote?

[Bluenorthwest]

28. Accuracy and context would help

but there is no quote used because accuracy and context would not suit the agenda of personal destruction.

[rurallib]

29. I call for a link also.

[frazzled]

22. He wanted Herman Cain or Allen West, perhaps?

See, this is what is wrong with categorizing people's politics or ideologies or talents or skills or ANYTHING according to race. It was a stupid, bad thing to say. As bad as insinuating that all Muslims are terrorists, etc.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

23. I'm a big fan of MM

but I'm not sure about this comment. :crazy: How does Obama act "white"? How is he supposed to act "black"? Obama is supposed to represent everybody in this country as POTUS. :shrug:

[Bucky]

24. I don't know what it is, but Americans just can't talk about race w/o saying stupid shit.

I generally like Michael Moore. Even when I don't agree with him, I'm glad there's somebody raising the points he's raising. But the topic of race seems to have a mind-boggling effect on Americans of all philosophies. Often, (but not always) it's simply an excuse to quit thinking.

Of course when actual racists deny housing, deny bank loans, or deny jobs to people, or inculcate a belief in different values & abilities based on race, the topic needs to be discussed and the injustice rectified. The value and the rights of the individual should come first in a liberal democracy. When Moore equates conservative policies with whiteness and liberality with blackness, he slurs the free will and the thought processes of everyone.

It's sloppy thinking from a guy who should know better. It's inherently illiberal.

[gordianot]

36. I kinda thought Martin Luther King addressed these types of statements very well.

Wasn't there something about "judging people by their character and not the color of their skin"? Just wondering if and what characteristics Mr. Moore attributes to skin color?

[polly7]

41. Apparently, he was quoting Bill Maher.

http://www.balloon-juice.com/2011/09/16/what-michael-moore-said-in-response-and-what-he-should-have-said-in-response/

His explanation on 'The View'.

[Number23]

142. Thanks for the link. That does add a bit of context to the situation.

[Shagbark Hickory]

42. Im sure there is a perfectly good explanation for this alleged remark. MM is not a racist.

[struggle4progress]

71. Look for footage of him on ABC's "The View" -- Moore did a rather good job

I couldn't find a transcript in a quick search but video's available

[sabrina 1]

46. Please post a link to the context.

These kinds of OPs with nothing but a sentence and the OP's take on something, are meaningless.

Unrec'd for lack of context.

[Cali_Democrat]

51. Here's some info

http://www.angryblacklady.com/2011/09/14/michael-moore-quotes-bill-maher-on-president-obama-i-voted-for-the-black-guy-and-what-we-got-was-the-white-guy/

[sabrina 1]

64. Thanks, so he was quoting Bill Maher.

I will look at the actual context when I get back from work later.

[BeHereNow]

137. Wow! A friend just turned me on to that blog! LOVE IT!

And she is right- Moore should apologize.
It was an outrageous thing to say and I would hope
he realizes how offensive it was.

BHN

[Bluenorthwest]

54. Where is a link? Or at least why not tell us where you 'heard this'?

So that others can research what you claim? Why is it that when asked repeatedly for context and an actual quote, you fail to respond? Why? And again, why?

[G_j]

59. I found something

though it should be the responsibility of the OP.

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/09/limbaugh-michael-moore-bill-maher-convergence

[Bluenorthwest]

62. I found it too, but I am still asking the OP why he failed to

provide a link and the accurate context for this story. The answer to the question 'why' is important, and the OP should tell us why.

[G_j]

63. agreed, and it is strange that

they have responded to numerous other comments on the thread.. :shrug:

[Dr. Strange]

66. It was Maher's quote; he repeated it on The View.

About 1:25 in: http://www.angryblacklady.com/2011/09/14/michael-moore-quotes-bill-maher-on-president-obama-i-voted-for-the-black-guy-and-what-we-got-was-the-white-guy/

[MsKandice01]

57. As a black woman who has been accused of "acting white"

I totally reject the idea that Obama is acting like a "white man." Barack Obama is being Barack Obama.

[Bluenorthwest]

60. So he is quoting Bill Maher as part of a long response to a tacky

question from Joy Behar about 'the angry black man image'. You should have said so and to not do so is dishonest.

[struggle4progress]

72. +

[pintobean]

73. How does that matter?

It still appears to judge based on race. The blabbermouths never let him finish his explanation, but I don't see how it would have changed anything.

[Goblinmonger]

74. He explained the metaphor in his blog

What more don't you understand?

[pintobean]

75. Got a link?

Edit to ad:

It's funny that your only post in this thread is calling me out for not understanding something that hasn't been quoted or linked to. Do you think everyone reads his blog?

[Marrah_G]

77. here

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mike-friends-blog/now-where-was-i-end-three-sentences-i-didnt-get-finish

[Goblinmonger]

86. Check out post 41

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1965864#1965983

That's where I read it.

As to my only post being in response to you--you were one most dismissing him, and, in my opinion smart enough to get the metaphor but ignored the links people gave.

[pintobean]

92. I didn't ignore anything.

I didn't see it. I did watch the View video. I do think Moore and Maher were fools for even saying such a thing. I still think it's a racist statement, metaphor or not. I don't think Moore is a racist. Maher? I don't know - he's too much of a jerk for me to pay any attention to.

And, yes, the OP mangled the quote.

[Bluenorthwest]

79. Listen, what this OP is doing is exactly what the did to Jim Webb

with his book. Lift a few words out of context and hang them on the wall solo, then call them horrible. I defended Webb as well, and I hate his guts. Think this through for a moment, 'how does it matter?' Ok. The President wrote books in which he writes dialog for other people, quotes and best memory recollections. The President also recorded those books in his own voice. This means is it possible to play an audio of the President saying all sorts of shite, and one can say 'that's right out of his book'. Does it matter that the President, in his book, is quoting someone else, or does it just matter that he wrote and spoke those words?
Let me offer you a Snopes page that addresses right wingers doing exactly that to the President's books, take a look at them, and tell me if the context matters. All of these tactics are two way streets. Any cheap trick done to another can be just as cheaply done to yourself, this is why cheap tricks are for cheap dicks.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/coilofrage.asp

[Bluenorthwest]

93. Hey I'd really love to hear your response to the link I posted

I note that you asked 'how does it matter' and when I showed you exactly how and why it does, you became silent. I thought maybe you'd actually read that and discuss the issue, but no.

[pintobean]

96. Maybe

if you didn't begin with 'listen' or 'hey'. Right from the first word, I don't give a shit what you have to say.

[Luminous Animal]

61. Link please. DU is the only place I can find that "quote"

[Marrah_G]

78. here

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mike-friends-blog/now-where-was-i-end-three-sentences-i-didnt-get-finish

[Bluebear]

65. "his 15 minutes"....what (another) stupid thing you are saying

[Tarheel_Dem]

68. Why am I less & less surprised by my fair haired Democratic brothers?

I guess racist stereotypes are no longer the sole provence of the GOP? WoW! :thumbsdown:

[ecstatic]

69. If only DUers were as determined to find the accuracy of an anti-Obama comment

as they are about finding anti-Moore comments... SMH

[Marrah_G]

76. People are just so mean to President Obama :(

[Bluenorthwest]

82. If only folks would not use right wing tactics.

Here is the right doing to Obama what you do to Moore.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/coilofrage.asp

You left out the context and the fact that he was quoting Maher intentionally. And when asked why, you do not answer. Read that link. And think about it.

[sfpcjock]

70. If he, in fact, said that it was Not a joke as asserted.

Duh!

[AtomicKitten]

80. Ugh.

[Modern_Matthew]

85. We need to ostracize everyone like this for the next 14 months.

After the election, the love for them can resume.

[MilesColtrane]

87. So, Obama's black on the outside, and white on the inside?

Jesus, Mike...

I guess I'll give you partial credit for at least not using the word "Oreo".

You should apologize immediately.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

88. Not to mentikon you got a pandering professional centrist pol.

Which is just as distasteful white or black.

[Behind the Aegis]

89. Racist twaddle.

I am actually surprised he said something like this. Perhaps he was having an "inarticulate" day.

[Bluenorthwest]

94. Read this link.

http://www.balloon-juice.com/2011/09/16/what-michael-moore-said-in-response-and-what-he-should-have-said-in-response/

[Behind the Aegis]

101. So, he was "translating" a joke.

Hope he learned his lesson. Racist shit like this will be used against him over and over.

[yurbud]

98. so this cancels out his documentaries on outsourcing, health care, Wall St, guns, & Bush crimes?

Which conservative Democrat has done as much on those issues?

[in_cog_ni_to]

163. Yep! It negates every good thing the man has ever done for the Progressives/ Liberals /Democrats.

It's the DU hate-of-the-day. The list just keep on growing. :eyes:

[Name removed]

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[William769]

105. his 15 minutes?

Not even close!

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

106. This is offensive to black Americans on so many levels. MM should know better,

but I see he's been hanging out with Maher a lot.

Just goes to show, there is racism among so-called liberal whites, just as there is racism on the conservative side. It's outrageous!

[JNelson6563]

111. MM likes the sound of his own voice.

Believe me, I've been to enough events where he spoke. At times his mouth ran while his brain dis-engaged. Sad to see.

Julie

[nomb]

119. MM is a useless polemicist, a mirror reverse image of the tea party in sooo many ways..

[marmar]

138. ........

[Quantess]

145. um.....WHAT?!

:spray:

The only thing he has in common with tea baggers is his outwardly frumpy appearance.

[MadHound]

122. Whoops, there he goes, under the bus

Dare to criticize the president, even if that criticism is valid, and under the bus you go.

[TwilightGardener]

134. Not sure that accusing the President of not being black/acting white is a valid criticism.

Moore would have been better to say what he meant directly rather than try to use Obama's race against him. Tried to be clever, didn't work out.

[Logical]

126. So we hate moore now? I lose track!

[Name removed]

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[hughee99]

129. Now Obama's getting the "not black enough" shit from Michael Moore?

:wtf:

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

130. Really Michael?

Race didn't enter into my decision to vote for Obama.

The fact that's he's black didn't even hit me till the night he won the election. Then it was a rather emotional moment for me because I realized how far we had come as a nation. I'm 54 years old and remember the civil rights movement of the sixties.

[Raine]

132. Under the bus with MM, soon no one will dare say a word

but that's the times we're living in.

[bluestateguy]

133. Because he knows so much about being black

Obama has to deal with most of the racism on the political right, but as we have seen, some racism does indeed come from the left.

[marmar]

136. I just watched that View segment......Your post is completely devoid of context.

nt

[nomb]

144. There's an in-context way to remind black men of their place? That's news to me.

[loyalsister]

143. I agree

There's outright aggressive racism and there's implicit unintentional racist attitudes built on stereotypes and assumptions that are not malicious or hateful, but still have gone unchallenged.

From Obama's 2004 DNC speech...
"Go into any inner city neighborhood, and folks will tell you that government alone can’t teach our kids to learn — they know that parents have to teach, that children can’t achieve unless we raise their expectations and turn off the television sets and eradicate the slander that says a black youth with a book is acting white."

[Matariki]

146. I love Michael Moore, but that's a stupid, racist thing to say.

Hope he comes to realize that.

[Stinky The Clown]

160. "Racist"

You realize you just cheapened that word a little bit more, don't you?

[Matariki]

162. How so?

It seems to me that calling a black person "white" is racism. I think the term that used to be tossed about was "oreo". It's racism, and sometimes internalized racism.

[Quantess]

164. Obama is bi-racial. He is half white.

It's not about calling "a black person 'white'". In a parallel universe, Barack Obama is a white person that people are calling black.

And anyway, you might want to see for yourself what Michael Moore actually said, and the context in which he said it.

[Stinky The Clown]

166. Look at what is meant by "racist"

It has a meaning. When you use it to mean something less than its full meaning, you make the word meaningless by that amount.

If Michael Moore is a racist, what is a Ku Klux Klan member?









edit to change "work" to "word"

[Matariki]

167. You misunderstand, and I disagree with you.

I didn't say Michael Moore was racist - I said 'it was a racist thing to say'. There's a difference. I don't think Michael Moore is racist, but that doesn't mean he isn't incapable of uttering racially insensitive things. Anyway, I watched the video and it wasn't quite what the OP suggested.

However, Michael Moore aside, ascribing specific behavior to a race is racist, imo. Saying that you voted for the 'black half' of Obama is a racist statement. Saying someone is 'acting white' is racist. And it's all very disrespectful to individuals.

[The Northerner]

148. Shouldn't people be judged by the content of their character and not by

the color of their skin? :shrug:

[bullwinkle428]

154. For the record, MM was HEAPING praise on Obama for yesterday morning's speech,

when interviewed by Rachel on last evening's show.

[lame54]

155. also on Colbert