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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 04:00 PM
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Obama Medicare Cuts Target Providers, Then Beneficiaries For Savings
Edited on Mon Sep-19-11 04:04 PM by tpsbmam
President Obama wants to extract $320 billion in savings from the health care system in his push to trim the deficit, starting with cutting payments to Medicare and Medicaid providers and ending with making beneficiaries pay more.

The biggest savings -- $135 billion over 10 years -- would come from letting Medicare pay for drugs at the same rates as Medicaid, which enjoys much greater rebates on generic and brand-name drugs.

The next largest source of savings -- $42 billion -- would come from nursing homes, rehab centers and long-term care facilities, which the administration thinks can be encouraged to be much more efficient in providing care right after people get out of hospitals.


Okay, good thing on the drugs, even better if we could reimport them. As for the rest.... Mr. President, have you ever worked in Physical Medicine & Rehab? I have -- I've worked in rehab in 4 hospitals and none were inefficient. And they work pretty much the same as any CARF accredited free-standing rehab facility, some of which are OUTSTANDING and do excellent jobs at getting people back to living independently, working if they can, and so on. We moved people through as rapidly as we safely could -- we were pressured by insurance companies, Medicare & Medicaid like anyone else, among other things. Sorry, Mr. Pres, but you have your head up your ass here. I can't speak to nursing homes and long-term care facilities but frankly, I hate to think what cutbacks would do to some operating on the edge anyway.

They're stressing that none of this will hit the folks currently on Medicare -- much of it wouldn't kick in until 2017 and after. I don't think they're planning for 65-year-olds to die fast -- there are 90-year-olds alive today who'll be here in 2017, for pete's sake! So it must mean it'll only apply to new Medicare recipients after 2017. (My generation...thanks so much.)

Some of the things being considered: $100 copays for home healthcare visits! Having had elderly parents and many elderly patients, home care visits are necessary if a person is going to stay at home and has complex medical conditions. They may not require more than isolated periodic visits, but needing a few days of visits would be unaffordable for many people -- this would end up being a service only for the well-to-do....again. This is the kind of thing that dooms people to nursing homes. A $25 increase in deductibles for doc visits. This is going to stop some people from going to the doctor for preventative care -- $25 is a lot when you're barely subsisting. "Charging an extra 15 percent premium on people who have especially generous Medi-gap plans," (WTF is an "especially generous" plan?). Raising premiums by about 15% for folks whose income is over $85,000/year. Okay, I can live with this one, though I'd make it a gradual increase...e.g., 5% at $85,000.....10% at $125,000....etc.

Oh, and ETA once again, cuts to providers results in fewer services and providers available to patients. It's shown itself time after time. To give a personal example, my services in the hospital were charged out at about $125/hour (it changed over time). Medicaid reimbursed the hospital $13/hour. We saw all Medicaid inpatients but were limited as to the number of Medicaid outpatients we could accept because of this. That was true all over the hospital.

More at the HuffPo article.

I say leave Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, LIHEAP, etc etc alone. Cut the damn military budget in half and raise taxes on the rich and corporations and voila.....problems solved.


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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 04:10 PM
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1. $100 copay for home health care visits?
That is shocking.
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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 04:14 PM
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3. I thought so too. It really would make it a service just for the well-to-do....
Way beyond okay in my book.


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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 04:29 PM
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9. Unaffordable to a huge number of current home care patients.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 04:38 PM
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12. Unaffordable to MOST current home care patients. Unreal.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 06:07 PM
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16. How is this figured? For One visit? For the year? This does not make
sense. Home health care keeps patients out of more expensive nursing homes by addressing their in home needs. Who picks this cost up if the patient cannot pay it? This is not shocking - it is stupid. If he wants to hold down health care costs then he had better work to keep people out of nursing homes not shove them in. Home health also keeps other disabled clients out of more expensive facilities. It helped me take care of my disabled daughter for 45 years. Crazy.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 06:18 PM
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19. Looks like for each "series". That could mean several times a year for many.
The very ill and those who can afford it the least.
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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 04:12 PM
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2. Wow, the unrecs have been fast and furious.....from 4 to 0 recs in about a minute
:rofl:


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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 04:19 PM
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4. They keep saying "Medicare Cuts Target Providers"
Like thats not going to affect people on Medicare. They are delusional.

Recommended, but still at 0. Go figure.
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dtexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 04:21 PM
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5. Yes, reform Part D -- it was written as a GOP give-away to the drug industry.
But the CUTS to beneficiaries are totally unacceptable.
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Yo_Mama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 04:23 PM
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6. Increase the deductible for doctor visits $25?
Are we trying to make Medicare just a service for the wealthy now? As with the $100 fee for home visits, this would make care unaffordable for many seniors.

Neither of these two fees seem like they would actually save money, btw. How about the patient who has been having heartburn for three months and hasn't gone to the doctor because it is unaffordable who then gets crushing chest pains and goes to the ER (a real-life example), it's just an extra cost. In that case, it was an ulcerated esophagus, but the patient did have a heart condition and it cost over 15K to figure out the problem.

We're losing track of common sense. Home health care visits are some of the most cost-saving measures available, and management of chronic conditions by primary care providers saves an awful lot of expensive hospital costs.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 04:24 PM
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7. These
"President Obama wants to extract $320 billion in savings from the health care system in his push to trim the deficit, starting with cutting payments to Medicare and Medicaid providers and ending with making beneficiaries pay more."

...are high income-related increases, PDF

<...>

Increase income-related premiums under Medicare Parts B and D. Under Medicare Parts B and D, certain beneficiaries pay higher premiums as a result of their higher levels of income. Beginning in 2017, the Administration proposes to increase income-related premiums under Medicare Parts B and D by 15 percent and maintain the income thresholds associated with income-related premiums until 25 percent of beneficiaries under Parts B and D are subject
to these premiums. This will help improve the financial stability of the Medicare program by reducing the Federal subsidy of Medicare costs for those beneficiaries who can most afford them. This proposal will save approximately $20 billion over 10 years.

<...>

Of course, don't expect the media to make that distinction.

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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 04:27 PM
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8. Did you read my OP or the article? THAT distinction was made in both. nt
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 04:29 PM
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10. It
Edited on Mon Sep-19-11 04:30 PM by ProSense
"President Obama wants to extract $320 billion in savings from the health care system in his push to trim the deficit, starting with cutting payments to Medicare and Medicaid providers and ending with making beneficiaries pay more."

...was not made in that sentence from the OP.

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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 04:31 PM
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11. Okay, so just read the first sentence and pretend you've actually read the post or
the article. Nailed.


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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 04:59 PM
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15. So
"Okay, so just read the first sentence and pretend you've actually read the post or"

...if it was clarified, you object to high income-related increases?

I read the piece, and still thought that the snip in the OP should be clarified.

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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 06:40 PM
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21. Your question was asked and answered in the OP --you're just being
Edited on Mon Sep-19-11 06:42 PM by tpsbmam
pigheaded for whatever reason. I'm done wasting my time with you since your agenda gets in the way of all reasonable discussion. READ WHAT I WROTE -- I clearly don't disapprove of the raises for the well-to-do! Jesus.








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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 06:14 PM
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17. Okay, you answered some of my objections to this. IF it only applies
to those with higher incomes many of the things I was talking about above will not be such a huge problem. I am assuming he is seeing this as a tax on the rich.
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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 06:38 PM
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20. Most of these do NOT only apply to the "rich"....
the 15% raise in premiums apply to the better off Medicare recipients but the REST applies to ALL Medicare recipients. Please read the article.





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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 10:04 PM
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23. My questions and post were referring mainly to the home health issue. nt
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 04:47 PM
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13. Do you know what the First Lady had been doing for a living?
Fine, this isn't patient care, still she was working for a system of Hospitals. I think she is going to have some insight as to how things run.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Obama


^snip^


In 2002, she began working for the University of Chicago Hospitals, first as executive director for community affairs and, beginning May 2005, as Vice President for Community and External Affairs.<48> She continued to hold the University of Chicago Hospitals position during the primary campaign, but cut back to part time in order to spend time with her daughters as well as work for her husband's election;<49> she subsequently took a leave of absence from her job.<50> According to the couple’s 2006 income tax return, her salary was $273,618 from the University of Chicago Hospitals
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 04:55 PM
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14. With all due respect, that job is essentially PR and putting good face on hospital system.
I would need to see her job description and more details about any patient advocacy before I change my mind on how I see that job.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 06:18 PM
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18. Fine I would be happy to elect her then for better results
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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 07:13 PM
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22. What does that have to do with the President's policies? About as much as her organic garden
has to do with his appointing a Monsanto lobbyist as a senior advisor to the FDA commissioner on food safety and Monsanto buddy Tom Vilsack as USDA head. I realize that Mrs. Obama is an incredibly bright woman with plenty of achievements on her own and I'm sure she influences her husband to a certain degree, but that doesn't mean her influence has anything to do with this policy.

As a matter of fact, Obama was a community organizer -- look how much good THAT'S done us!


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