So property valuation came today for 2011. Property value

[lonestarnot]

down by prollee another 100 k and tax up 400 plus. All for schools. So I'm going to be looking for any new charters in the area and raise some hell. In addition to any new ones, going to be checking to see how much existing charters are getting. I am fucking PISSED!

[dsc]

1. The problem is that your value dropped less than the average drop in your area

which is why your taxes went up despite the value of your place having gone down.

[lonestarnot]

2. No.

Elementary school up 212.17
High school up 66.00
Community Colleg up 37.24


And what the fuck is a special health district? What we have malaria over here? Maybe. :shrug:

And the fucking county fund up $24.30... what the fuck, some bastard get a raise? I fucking didn't!

[Joe the Revelator]

35. "some bastard got a raise..."

Really?

[Indydem]

36. DING DING DING

There's the turd in the room.

[Joe the Revelator]

39. Those damn bastard teachers, who have seen their salary decrease.....

Year over year since 2008.

[Indydem]

41. Well fuck em.

My mcMansion lost 100k in value and they asked me for $400 MORE IN TAXES?!

HOW DARE THEY!

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[Joe the Revelator]

47. No, that's actually exactly what you said.

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[Joe the Revelator]

52. No. You didn't.

Can you make a post without dropping "fuck" or calling people names?

[lonestarnot]

61. What? You can now reword my posts? Who gave you that authority?

Saying fuck is not against the fucking rules. FO might be.

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[Joe the Revelator]

72. You're right....I left off the part where you....

Kevetched over the fact that you didn't get a raise.

[lonestarnot]

74. You left off general county fund. Do I need to donate for eye glass fund?

[Joe the Revelator]

81. The fact that you resort to nothing but personal attacks is making this conversation...

....very boring.

[lonestarnot]

87. You're not a very good rearranger. Bad jou jou.

[lonestarnot]

44. On the fucking board of supervisors!

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[Joe the Revelator]

4. Agreed

[lonestarnot]

6. So pile on out of ignorance much?

[Joe the Revelator]

9. No, I said I agreed with his assessment....

.....your post sounded like you were pissed about paying taxes. If your home had 100k in it to spare, chances are you can afford the 400 dollar uptick for the schools.

[lonestarnot]

14. Again, you do not know what you are talking about. Why no answer from you on charter schools?

Why ignore that issue? Me thinks you do not want to discuss it.

[Joe the Revelator]

21. Because I don't see boogymen in the corner every time the tax on my mcmansion goes up

Seriously.....100k of lost value? Pay up.

[lonestarnot]

29. Oh so the value of the property got to you and you didn't read the rest so still ignored! What

about the charters?

[Indydem]

32. WHAT ABOUT THIS???

"some bastard get a raise? I fucking didn't!"

I DIDN'T GET ANY SO I DON'T WANNA PAY MORE.

[Joe the Revelator]

34. I've answered you about the charters, that you can't prove contributed to the tax increase, twice

..now....occums razor says that taxes went up to hold on to teachers.

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[Joe the Revelator]

50. You posts are nearly incoherent, however.....if teachers were laid off last year...

And property values went down a shocking 100k this year, it would stand to reason that in order to maintain current pay levels, you would have to increase the property tax rate.

This isn't fucking rocket science.

[lonestarnot]

53. Do you agitate on every thread. Going to add you to my buddy list to see if you do.

[Joe the Revelator]

56. Care to address my post? My math is sound. Yours is not.

[lonestarnot]

62. Since you apparently can't read and now think you have authority to change what is posted, I think I

shall not waste my time with you on that, but you are now my buddy.

[Joe the Revelator]

64. Just say you can't answer what I've posted....its more classy then this dance you're doing.

[lonestarnot]

65. Oh contrare, I could give a fuck about classy. Apparently you're impressed.

[Joe the Revelator]

66. Another post ignoring the logic of why your taxes were increased to maintain teachers

...at the level they're already at....

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[Joe the Revelator]

71. Then address it. The fact that you haven't is no lie....property values go down....

Property tax revenues go down, you can't afford to pay as many teachers as you did the year before when property value/taxes were higher. This ismreally simple math.

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[Joe the Revelator]

79. Yes, you did resort to personal attacks..how about addressing some facts

[lonestarnot]

82. Posting to yourself now? Better get some good meds for that.

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[Joe the Revelator]

7. They got fired and didn't get a raise because there wasn't enough tax revenue

Which is why I assume they've raised the tax rate.

[lonestarnot]

10. And you haven't mentioned charters yet, I assume you teach at one while we're acting ignorantly here

[Joe the Revelator]

17. Produce proof, as you asked for, that the money is going to charters instead of

Helping current ps teachers keep their jobs.

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[Joe the Revelator]

55. Seriously, I'm sympathetic to teachers.. It's a shame you're not. I'll pay the bill.

[lonestarnot]

67. So you want to pay the neighborhood's new assessed values? If I accept on their behalf I have an

offer and an acceptance in writing. Woohoo. Neighbors will be glad to hear it.

[Joe the Revelator]

73. You live in a neighborhood that's not willing to support their teachers?

Sad.

[lonestarnot]

76. Charter school syphoners.

[lonestarnot]

78. And nothing further about your written offer and my possible acceptance on behalf of the fucking

neighborhood?

[Joe the Revelator]

80. Not until you address the real reason your taxeswent up, and the fact that you

Don't support teachers.

[lonestarnot]

83. My suspicion is your support of charters.

[Joe the Revelator]

84. Another post, another deflection.

You're not very good at this.

[lonestarnot]

86. hmmmf. Still want to pay those taxes? Snort ROFLMAO!

[Joe the Revelator]

88. More so then you and your friends apparently.

Birds of a feather.

[lonestarnot]

94. So we now have offer acceptance and confirmation of same. Are you nuts?

[Joe the Revelator]

99. No sweetheart, I'm not the one that's nuts...

[Indydem]

15. YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT!

This is the kind of shit repukes do, all the god damn time.

So maybe it's not a new roof (it was an example, not a cited case) it's a new library, or what the hell ever. Something caused them to raise taxes. Inflation? Health care costs? Mandated improvements to the facilities? Maybe even new buses or other equipment? Regardless, the reasons are not the point.

In your mind it's the evil county government taking your money and giving it to someone who doesn't deserve it.

That's puke shit. Dead on.

Sell it somewhere else.

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[Rex]

23. I don't think they read your post very well.

IMO.

[lonestarnot]

26. IMO same.

:rofl:

[Rex]

12. WTF are you talking about?

Did you read the same post as I did?

[Indydem]

30. Yep, the OP and his follow ups:

"And what the fuck is a special health district? What we have malaria over here? Maybe."

"And the fucking county fund up $24.30... what the fuck, "some bastard get a raise? I fucking didn't!"

So school funding went up and our buddy thinks automatically that the county is screwing him.

The county raises the county fund and he thinks HE ought to get a raise and no one else.

THIS IS THE KIND OF SHIT THAT REPUKES DO EVERY SINGLE DAY.

All they are concerned about is THEIR tax bill, and screw everyone and everything else.

[lonestarnot]

48. ROFLMAO

Don't you love how he left out half the context of the responses. They are so used to using that as a tactic and getting away with it, they would use it here.

[Rex]

54. It is indicative of the posting going on here on DU as of late.

Cherry pick what ya want to see then UNLOAD on the OP for insincere reasons. Let me know when you find out about the charter schools...I would like to know as well!

[lonestarnot]

59. I will. Sure has me hot, so maybe I shouldn't have shared here due to the stupid from some. But

I wanted to alert others. Not many pay attention to those little 3 x 5 cards that go out annually.

[Rex]

63. Very true.

[Joe the Revelator]

60. Look at the facts, not the ops boogymen

A. Teachers were laid off last year

B. Property values went down

C. School taxes come from property taxes.

D in order to maintain current staffing requirements, it would follow that tax rates would have to be raised

[shraby]

8. Don't feel bad, we bought a new furnace to replace one

that was 40 or more years old and they raised our valuation by $400 for buying the new furnace.

[lonestarnot]

11. Fucking A! Is it appurant to the real property or can it be removed?

Take the fucking thing with you if you ever leave!

[shraby]

92. It's a necessity and part of a house here in Wisconsin. Can't

just "take it with"

[Shagbark Hickory]

18. how did they know about it? Did you have to get a permit for it or something thing?

[shraby]

91. We didn't but the furnace man did.

[Shagbark Hickory]

101. It just seems wrong to tax people on something they need for basic survival.

Especially when they're taxing you over and over and over and over again.

[JVS]

13. If you don't like it, move.

[lonestarnot]

16. Another fucking charter school supporter! That's three.

[JVS]

19. Nope.

[lonestarnot]

24. Then read the thread.

[JVS]

28. Ok, the thread has you pissing and moaning about how much taxes you pay and we're all supposed to...

guess what the problem is.

Nobody is forcing you to stay there, so move already.

[lonestarnot]

57. So what now, you're the CEO of exon mobil?

[Joe the Revelator]

22. Deflect much?

[lonestarnot]

25. No that would be you! What about the charters? Ignored until you comment re same.

[Joe the Revelator]

31. I've commented, you've ignored it. Prove that the extra tax revenue is for charters..

...and not to hold on to teachers. As you've already said, they had to fire teachers last year. With property values going down, I don't see that improving next year. So, prove it or admit you're being immature about needing to pay taxes.

[lonestarnot]

43. try again. You may want to start with ned and the first reader.

[Joe the Revelator]

58. I'm sorry my response wasn't good enough for you.....

[lonestarnot]

68. Guilt trips don't work for my kid, why the fuck do you think they would work for you?

[TheWraith]

27. Your house went down by a hundred thousand dollars?

I don't mean to pile on, but out here in the boondocks you can buy an entire fucking house for what you lost in valuation this year. A large and really nice house, like 2800 square feet, 4 bedroom two bath with three car garage type house.

[lonestarnot]

38. LOL. Arizona is a wierd place within certain areas. prollee lucky to have 1300 sq ft here.

:7 I knew the fucking dump would go up in value, but I knew when I bought here many years ago that things could not continue to climb as they did. I do not even count the value lost, as it was real value, it never was, it was all phonied bullshit by the banks. Now they are attacking on the backside with some phoney bullshit valuation increase, what the phoney value continues to decline, and the money never goes to the fucking schools or the teachers. It's all bullshit! I want to know if my public school money is going to some fucking charter and I intend to find out! That's all.

[Rex]

45. No no no...your post was all about not wanting to pay taxes!

If I scrunch up my eyes enough and look at the cat for over a minute...I swear I can read that into your OP! You must mean what I want you to mean!!! No other theory is possible! :hi:

[lonestarnot]

51. ROFLMAO!

:hug: :hi:

[Coyote_Bandit]

77. Ya know

if my property value declined by 100k they'd be paying me to frickin live here.

Still, my property taxes have more than doubled in the last 6 years.

Property tax and homeowners insurance on a small 60 year old home plus auto insurance on a 10 year old car driven less then 7,500 miles annually runs me over 6k annually. And I do not have any accidents or claims on record and have some discounts in place.

My personal opinion is that the only people who ought to be permitted to vote on matters regarding real estate taxes are the people who pay the taxes. The area here has become dependent upon using these taxes for many, many other things than just K-12 public education.

[lonestarnot]

85. Precisely!

They just put any damned thing they feel like putting on the valuations apparently just to get more freaking taxes out of working middle class. And if not a slave laborer, then from the most poverty stricken members of this good ole US of A. The money doesn't go to retain anything ie teachers as another poster on this thread keeps insisting. It's just a column on someone's spreadsheet that became fatter for someone to swap onto another ledger to wheedle out as some dog sees fit. I do not agree with your sentiment in your last paragraph as the heart of all our problems are seated within education. The people least likely to be led around by the nose are educated. If a person lives in apartment and doesn't pay property taxes, he or she pays other taxes and may have an interest in children getting an education, even if they are not their children, as those children may make decisions for them when they reach majority. Also that idea creates exclussionary look down your nose at certain people and is not good in my opinion. Just say'n.

[Horse with no Name]

93. I agree.

My Mom had a huge offer on her house during the boom, about triple the value of the house, close to $300k.
Now, after the bust, her house has devalued considerably.
You remember she lives in the same area that you do.

During the boom, some patio homes in the area were selling for over $100k, she told me one sold at auction last week for $20k.

For those that are dissing you for the "value" of your home, they need to understand that the actual valuations are still inflated from the boom that YOU did not cause nor from the ensuing bust that you also didn't cause.

Now, the fact that you will end up paying for someone else's greed is the bottom line.

And I agree with the Charter School theory and I also know that you aren't anti-teacher. This is an entirely different game that is being played.

[lonestarnot]

95. That is inside info and you know your DU history!

:hug:

[Indydem]

100. That's what Repukes say.

Only people who pay taxes should get to vote.

They'd love to disenfranchise the poor and minorities.

You a fan of that too?

[Angry Dragon]

89. a lot of anger in this thread

[Joe the Revelator]

90. Best user name/ post combo in the thread...

[lonestarnot]

96. You will not have the last word on my thread even if I have to have it locked.

[Joe the Revelator]

98. That's just childish. Decided you're willing to support teachers yet?

[dionysus]

103. wow, simmer down.

[lonestarnot]

97. Snort.

:rofl:

[dionysus]

102. your property value dropped 100k? how much was it before? do you live in a mansion,got tons of land?

[lonestarnot]

104. No, see #38 LOL.

[dionysus]

105. FWIW if you said that in the OP people wouldn't be wonderering exactly what it is you're mad about..

:hi:

[lonestarnot]

106. I thought everyone here knew I was lazy.

:7