I'm sorry but anyone wearing some goofy movie mask gets an automatic goofball label

[quinnox]

Honestly, what did these people expect. Running around in some silly masks, way to make yourselves look like idiots!

Lets try and outdo the stupidity of the tea-baggers while they are at it! Fools all.

[Lucky 13]

1. Maybe they expected that this is American and you're supposed to be able to wear whatever you want

But let's just arrest them all and call them stupid.

At least they are taking action and not just posting on the internet.

[quinnox]

2. Don't tell me you wouldn't crack a grin seeing these guys

running around the street with these masks on and screaming their head off!

[Lucky 13]

3. I'd grin. But not for the same reason you would.

[movonne]

42. I agree with you....

[movonne]

44. Maybe you are just an old fart that don't understand the younger

generation...after all they are inheriting this mess...

[nadinbrzezinski]

69. Actually I'd get it

but I guess it is generational

[sabrina 1]

89. I did grin, and then I cheered them on.

[Dreamer Tatum]

4. I don't get it. The consequences of being seen at a fart-in-the-wind protest

like that are pretty much nil. That makes masks a vanity item.

How many of those masks did the London protestors wear? I never saw even one.

Wonder if any Yoda masks are going to show up. "Protest Banksters, we must."

[-..__...]

98. That's because "The Ministry of Silly Masks"...

denied their applications.

[Leopolds Ghost]

107. Are the posters in this thread familiar with Guy Fawkes Day? Since when is it a "movie mask"?

Ah, Ignorance...

I learned this shit in junior high school before the original GRAPHIC NOVEL (literature, NOT movie) was written.

[librechik]

5. you just don't understand the younger generation. V is influential to them

more than Abbie Hoffman 4 heavnen's sake. Let them express themselves!

[NeedleCast]

11. V is influential to them only because a popular comic book and movie told them he was

I doubt one in twenty of them knows more than a thimble full about the man the mask depicts.

[librechik]

16. so what? should there be a test given before a young person is allowed to protest?

they will learn a lot about their country with this experience, maybe enough to get them to learn some history.

[NeedleCast]

25. Nope, No Test Needed

Maybe you're right and they'll learn something, who knows. I just don't see any sort of comparison between these protestors and the Gunpowder Plot of Guy Fawkes. In fact, I think a few of them might think twice about wearing that mask if they knew the real story of Guy Fawkes.

I do know that if I were going to commit a crime in New York today, I'd be wearing a Guy Fawkes mask when I did it.

[librechik]

82. I doubt they know who Guy Fawkes is. It's a symbol for the globals because of the movie.

and they don't know the real story--do you? You know he was a paid agitator, right, not a hero?

[OnyxCollie]

20. I doubt one in twenty knows more than a thimble full about politics.

Should they not be allowed to wear Bachman, Perry, Paul, (or for that matter), Obama 2012 campaign buttons?

[NeedleCast]

27. They can wear whatever they want

That doesn't mean what they're wearing has any significance to the situation. I just think it diminishes the message and turns it into "look at me, I'm a guy in a Guy Fawkes mask! I don't know why I'm wearing it or who Guy Fawkes was, but you should take me seriously!"

[OnyxCollie]

39. "Look at me, I'm a guy wearing a Obama 2012 button!

I don't know why I'm wearing it or how his policies affect the nation, but you should take me seriously! If you don't take me seriously, I'll call you names like firebagger and professional leftist; ridicule you for actually understanding his policies and their negative affect on the nation, and making the choice to withhold support for them because you have the capacity to understand abstract concepts like liberalism and conservatism; and I'll demonize anyone you follow who opposes the status quo!"

[NeedleCast]

45. I'd have the same issue with someone doing that

*I* (and most of DU) take an active interest in politics so that doesn't really apply to me or most here.

You seem to have an axe to grind with someone who isn't me - some random Obama supporter out there who can't justify their support. You should go find that person, and reply to them.

Understand, that while I support the protest, adding the Guy Fawkes element to it is inconsistent with the message. I wouldn't take a person doing so seriously for the same reason I wouldn't take a guy wearing a Ron Paul 2012 shirt seriously when they start telling me that government regulation is bad but we need to make abortion illegal.

[OnyxCollie]

48. I'm not going to get picky about a mask.

Few people understand politics, but they know when they're getting screwed over.

These people at least know who is screwing them.

If the Guy Fawkes mask/V for Vendetta provides them some structure for their opposition to the institutions that are screwing them over, let them use it.

Are you an elitist or something?

[NeedleCast]

62. Nah - If people know when they were getting screwed over

There wouldn't be a Republican party.

Hehe, *sigh* yeah, I'm probably an elitist. One of those crazy guys who thinks the symbol you're using to protest something should have some sort of significance to the thing you're protesting as opposed to being a cool movie prop.

Of course, the Chewbacca defense has proven effective so maybe that's what they're going with.

[OnyxCollie]

72. They are reasons for voting against one's best interest.

System justification, for one.

But in this two-party system, if voting one way doesn't improve your situation, you vote the other way. What else are you gonna do? Wait for the mainstream media to give attention to third-party candidates and their platforms in an informative, meaningful way?

[Wait Wut]

64. That's stretching it.

Unless that person wearing the "Obama '12" button is wearing it over their face with a bunch of other people wearing it over their faces because they want to be "anonymous" in a group of other "anonymous" people.

Look, I don't give a damn what they wear. I don't identify with them. In my late teens early twenties I may very well have joined them and put on the stupid mask. Now, I know that mask won't get a point across. It won't make a difference. It will just be a reason for others to point and laugh. My advice, take off the mask and let people put a human face with the problem. Let people hear a singular voice and know it is multiplied by the thousands of individuals echoing their support. That's how you make a difference. Not by hiding behind a mass-produced piece of plastic and pretending you're a part of a "movement".

[OnyxCollie]

76. There are plenty of anonymous people who have joined other

anonymous people on this board who have an agenda to get Obama reelected (as opposed to getting actual democratic policies enacted.)

Why don't you use your real name?

[Wait Wut]

81. Why don't you?

That's another silly comparison. I use this same name on every board I frequent. People who know me IRL know this screen name and can search for it effectively on the internet if they want to harrass me. When I attend rallies, etc. I don't wear a mask. I live in a smallish town where people will recognize me. If it is aired on national tv, I'm right there...unmasked. I don't advertise my name because it's searchable. However, if someone were to approach me at a rally and ask for an interview, I would give them my real name.

I do have my city and town listed in my profile, which is more than the majority of folks here.

Everyone that knows me knows who I support for President (an "agenda" as you say...LOL!!). I don't hide behind a mask or a button.

[Leopolds Ghost]

108. Do you identify with ANYONE who's pissed off at the state of society? Hmm.

Anyway my message is: you have no problem with the Obama 2012 button because it is not a SYMBOL OF DIFFERENTIATION.

Basic anthropology, really. Study of human society. Most humans follow the herd and are tuned to get angry at those who attempt to stick out.

[MedicalAdmin]

119. Ah. Yes. They are no true liberals.

:wtf:

[mod mom]

6. Why don't you get your sorry ass out & join in the protest instead

of criticizing those who are standing up against the injustice?

Am I logged on to DU or is this a false flag site put up to irritate me today? geesh!

[Fire Walk With Me]

7. Ding!

[sharp_stick]

8. Perhaps it's because you're logged in

on a wifi connection in the middle of the protest yourself. You may not see all the support on DU as you are too busy protesting.

[mod mom]

12. I've attended many a protest: antiwar, from before the start of *'s War;

pro-union (although no one in my family belongs to unions) and election integrity , which btw, I have organized. I happen to be a mother (and yes, my kids have attended marches rallies even traveling to DC (Sept '05) for a huge march) and can not pull my kids out of school and travel across the country to attend this one. I am certainly with them in spirit and certainly DON'T HAVE THE AUDACITY TO CRITICIZE THEM!.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

28. +1 n/t

n/t

[quinnox]

10. Aww Hell No

I wouldn't join these clowns, why don't they go to a damn circus and do some miming, how can you take these freaks seriously.

[FarLeftFist]

14. They're "freaks" because they are wearing masks?! So what are you doing to draw attention to Wall St

corruption? Isn't anonymously sitting behind a computer criticizing people on the internet equally as freakish?!

[quinnox]

18. Because this situation fits the stereotype of the rich liberal perfectly

I'd imagine most of these are young people who were born with silver spoons in their mouths. They saw V for Vendetta and thought it was cool how those masks looked, and then since they have nothing better to do lazing around on their wealthy parents bought mansions, decided to put on some silly masks.

I can imagine the conversation - "So what do you want to do today?" "I don't know, lets go put on some V masks and pretend we are real revolutionaries!"

"I'm there dude! This is going to be so cool!"

[FarLeftFist]

23. Thats a pretty wild assumption. And by wild I mean 'insane'.

Nice stereotyping of rich Liberals.

[Leopolds Ghost]

128. Everyone knows liberals are rich.

Why, the OP's friends are probably all rich, right?

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[Demeter]

35. I ask myself that same question at least once a week

Fight on!

[FarLeftFist]

9. The masks represent them not being considered a single individual but a voice for all

A voice that isn't doing this for MSM interviews or fame, but an example of all the anonymous voices across the nation that are oppressed on a daily basis. It's saying "who we are isn't important but our message is the real importance".

[RZM]

13. I think the 'V' mask has supplanted the Che Guevara shirt as the latest in revolutionary garb

I have no opinion on whether or not people should wear them. If they want to, more power to them I guess. Probably many don't quite get it, but may people don't quite get a lot of things. It's life.

[FarLeftFist]

17. The Guy Fawkes mask has come to mean "Anti-Corruption and Oppression".

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

15. "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." Gandhi

[Nye Bevan]

21. What kind of mask did Gandhi wear? (nt)

[OnyxCollie]

26. Martin Luther King wore a mask of drum major

for peace, justice, and righteousness.

Does that count?

[Demeter]

41. His life was performance art

"Gandhi strove to practice non-violence and truth in all situations, and advocated that others do the same. He lived modestly in a self-sufficient residential community and wore the traditional Indian dhoti and shawl, woven with yarn he had hand spun on a charkha. He ate simple vegetarian food, and also undertook long fasts as means of both self-purification and social protest."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

52. He didn't. But, he did exchange his lawyer duds for a dhoti, which the Brits ridiculed.

"It is alarming and also nauseating to see Mr. Gandhi, a seditious Middle Temple lawyer of the type well-known in the East, now posing as a fakir, striding half naked up the steps of the Viceregal palace to parley on equal terms with the representative of the King-Emperor." Comment on Gandhi's meeting with the Viceroy of India (1931).

[Leopolds Ghost]

111. And now Gandhi's outfit is little more than a trustafarian dress code.

See? If we allow trustafarians to dictate what is and is not cool, we can justify our own "grown up" complacency!

[MedicalAdmin]

124. Ghandi wore a breachclout.

Which is not the usual garb of a lawyer.

Ghandi understood the power of symbols.

[pmorlan1]

19. 2nd Thread Today on this Topic

Is today attack anonymous day? I must not have gotten the email.

[OnyxCollie]

22. Defenders of the Status Quo Unite! nt

[Nye Bevan]

24. Reminds me of Code Pink.

Attention-grabbing and amusing, but ineffective.

[OnyxCollie]

30. Code Pink confronted Condi Rice on her war crimes.

What has the Obama administration done?

[mod mom]

36. and I applaud them for their determination!

good question!

[dionysus]

55. and looked like fools to the average non politic junkie.

[OnyxCollie]

67. If the ignorant masses "think" one is a fool,

is it really that insulting?

[dionysus]

73. it means it's not productive. whether it's wearing teabags on your head or a silly mask, it doesn't

get taken seriously. it's doesn't matter if you're an idiot like the teabaggers, or have noble goals like the wall street protesters.

impressing political junkies doesn't get results.

[OnyxCollie]

79. Better to use simple words like "Hope" and "Change."

You don't even need to explain what they mean.

And after you get elected, you can blame all those who oppose your policies for irresponsibly projecting their desires for that which will benefit their lives on your vague, empty campaign claims.

[dionysus]

87. you can come back with insulting the administration,as bizarre and unrelated as that is, but

you can't change the truth.

[OnyxCollie]

101. Your attempt at a rebuttal

provides a great deal of (unintended) comedic relief.

Thanks for the lulz.

[FSogol]

80. +1. n/t

[Leopolds Ghost]

112. dionysus, do YOU get taken seriously by your betters on Wall St because you are sensible?

You're being played by the system. Nobody ruling over you cares what YOU think!

They just rely on you to jeer at anyone who dresses different. Divide and conquer.

[raouldukelives]

29. The real fools are the ones invested in Wall St

At least, the ones who support this movement. If your all for the enslavement of mankind and the destruction of it's natural resources then by all means keep investing. The oligarchs appreciate your silent support.

[Codeine]

31. It's like all that flashmob dancing shit.

Flopping around in unison to a Madonna song is not an effective protest against homophobic politicians and wearing plastic masks licensed from a Hollywood blockbuster and mass-produced in Chinese slave-labor factories is not a blow against bankers -- it's all just trendy dumbasses making themselves look silly and out of touch.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

33. More protestors/less snark.

Less snark from the non-protesters, that is.

[Fire Walk With Me]

32. If symbols are not powerful and unifying, how come terms like "Obamacare" and "class war" work?

Same sort of thing. We just haven't put much energy into our symbols, until now. Even the American flag or Uncle Sam.

[Fire Walk With Me]

34. The V/Guy Fawkes mask symbolizes that the power is and always has been in the hands of the people.

Thank you for your support.

[quinnox]

37. No, I don't buy it

Its just a dumb prop being used by spoiled rich kids.

[Fire Walk With Me]

40. Divide and conquer. Thank you for repeatedly throwing feces upon something important.

Instead of doing something supportive where it is most sorely needed. If you can't say something nice about those who are actually out there doing something...:thumbsup:

[frylock]

83. nobody is selling it to you..

move along.

[Codeine]

38. In this instance it represents little more than a trustafarian dress code.

Not one in twenty of those imbeciles could tell you who Guy Fawkes was.

[Exultant Democracy]

66. Perhaps a similar number of nazis could have explain the hindu significance of the swastika.

It also doesn't really matter at all when it comes to symbols.

[Leopolds Ghost]

109. Godwin's Law n/t

[MedicalAdmin]

126. Since the patriot act...

Godwins law have moved from the wry hipster category, to the not understanding current political trends category. It is now a way of ignoring points that one doesn't want to understand, or cares to acknowledge.

Not that you have done that, no?

[MedicalAdmin]

125. Ding! We have a winnah. N/t

[Greybnk48]

43. They are symbolic of standing up to corruption, in this

case on Wall Street. Some were wearing them in Madison WI last winter at our protests and to me they indicate fighting for the oppressed.

Unrec.

[Whats_Happening]

47. I agree with you ENTIRELY. For one thing, Guy Fawkes was a BAD guy.

Yes, Guy Fawkes was a bad guy -- from what I vaguely remember, he was a militant Catholic terrorist who tried to blow up the British Parliament.

The favored symbolism of the Wall Street protesters is even worse than that of the tea-baggers. The tea-baggers come across as clownish; this bunch comes across as baffling, obscure and sinister. Not only was Guy Fawkes a bad guy, but he is part of English history, not American history. No-one over here knows who he was. And so they wear this mask because it has something to do with (yet another) obscure comic book made into a movie called "V"? Sorry, I never saw the movie; most people didn't. You ask most Americans about "V" and they're more likely to remember the lizard aliens from the 80s miniseries.

Plus "Anonymous" itself is baffling, obscure and sinister. I've never made a great study of them (as most people haven't.) What I'm aware of is that their symbol is a literal "empty suit" -- again, baffling, I thought the empty suits were the people they were against. That they say "we are legion" -- which unfortunately is a Bible quote from demons (again, bad guys, not good guys.) And that they are cyber terrorists, who seem to direct a lot of their destructive force at rather benign, left-of-center institutions. What they hell were they doing against BART? Public transportation in the Bay area? Plus I remember they even messed with some PBS website at one point, because they were pissed that PBS ran a documentary that was less than adulatory about themselves.

As best as I can tell, they are a bunch of nihilistic anarchist computer nerds. Thanks be to God the mainstream media is kind of ignoring the current Wall Street lolapalooza!

[OnyxCollie]

49. The Bible quote is "We are Legion."

Note the capital L.

Thank you for your concern.

[Whats_Happening]

57. Yes, but it is a quote from demons, isn't it? So what it has a capital L?

I had to look it up a while ago. I didn't know the quote; to me (as I imagine to many) it strikes one as a kind of "I am Spartacus" solidarity kind of thing. But no, it's actually a bad-guy quote.

Like I said, baffling, obscure and sinister. Worse than the teabaggers, who only come across as clownish, kitschy and anachronistic.

[OnyxCollie]

61. They specifically chose not to use a capital L

because they did not want to be considered "demons."

Do you believe in demons?

[Whats_Happening]

77. Well, that only supports my point about baffling obscurity --

So Anonymous selects as their rallying cry a biblical quote from demons, and then uses a capital L rather than a lower-case L to somehow neutralize the demonic connection. One would have to be quite a world-class biblical scholar to pick that up on one's own.

(And no, I don't believe in demons. :) )

[Wait Wut]

95. I really want to...

...welcome you to DU!!!

:applause:

[steve2470]

106. quotes from the Bible:

Gospel of Mark, 5:09, describes the following in the country of the Gadarenes:
And He (Jesus) asked him (the man), "What is thy name?" And he answered, saying, "My name is Legion: for we are many."<1>


The Gospel of Luke, Luke 8:30, describes the following in the country of the Gadarenes:
And Jesus asked him, saying, "What is thy name?" And he said, "Legion": because many devils were entered into him.<2>

We are Legion

[AverageJoe90]

60. But the guy from 'V for Vendetta' was a good guy fighting against a fascist government

Anonymous, on the other hand, I never could trust 100%. There may be some really good people in there, but like with Wikileaks, there's probably a fair share of crooks, too(Joran Jermas, anybody?), especially if your allegations concerning them are true.

[Whats_Happening]

70. That's a fair point, but you would have had to have seen the movie --

or read the comic book to know that. And in the larger scheme of things, "V" is a relatively obscure movie. It seems, according to Wikipedia, that it grossed somewhat over $70 million in the United States.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_for_Vendetta_(film)#Commercial

That doesn't even quality for the top 500 films. For some perspective, consider that "Yogi Bear" from 2010 comes in at number 493 with slightly over a $100 million gross, while "You Don't Mess with the Zohan" from 2008 comes in at about the same gross at number 497.

http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/domestic.htm?page=5&p=.htm

[AverageJoe90]

65. Frankly, I think Guy Fawkes himself was a good guy, too, if perhaps his methods were quite flawed.

Or a well-intentional anti-hero at the very least. James I was a horrible monarch. TBH, If the Gunpowder Plot had succeeded, I personally would've had no sympathy for him.

[NeedleCast]

68. The Gunpowder Plot was Spoiled From The Inside

When it's own members began to realize that what they were going to do was going to kill a lot of people on their side as well. So the notion that Guy Fawkes as a good guy is sketchy at best.

[Whats_Happening]

74. But the Gunpowder Plot aimed to blow up Parliament, not the King!

And I don't think it's entirely fair to call James I a "horrible monarch" -- he was a lot better than his son, Charles I, at least!

On edit: the Plot amied to blow up the King when he was at Parliament, giving the speech at the opening of Parliament. If the plotters had wanted to kill the King, why not just try to assassinate him alone?

[Leopolds Ghost]

113. Guy Fawkes was a terrorist and a reactionary, but is of little relevance to Guy Fawkes Day today.

We celebrate all kinds of made-up stories about historical figures, such as Andrew Jackson (mass murderer), etc.

[ikri]

85. Sinister?

Give over.

Ever seen this film?


Same deal here. Anonymous isn't a person. Stop or arrest a member of Anonymous and you achieve nothing, someone else will simply step forward and pick up the mantle (plus you'll probably have to fend off attacks from other parts of Anonymous who are pissed off with your actions). It's all about disparate people coming together to achieve aims that individually they could not, hence the Legion bit though they could have always used a Hydra instead.

Anonymous got it's start by protesting against scientology which is where the masks came from. They knew that they'd be filmed and photographed and they would face some pretty nasty shit if they were identified. Why the Guy Fawkes masks and not Richard Nixon or Kirk Douglas? There's probably a bit of a misunderstanding of history involved but the original organisers probably liked the symbolism from V for Vendetta a bit too. Plus it helps that the masks apparently unnerve people.

Anonymous are a mobile single issue pressure group, they latch on to issues and can be pretty relentless in their follow through whether it's tracking down a woman who dropped a cat in a bin or trying to bring down a financial system. There are some extremely clever people involved too, it's worth reading this arstechnica.com story (and multiple follow-up stories) about Anonymous to see what these guys are capable of when they put their minds to it.

The best description of Anonymous is probably Chaotic Good - Strong believers in freedom who like to make their own way and hate people who bully other people and try to push them around. They will often have a strong moral code which may not agree with the law. Example: Robin Hood.

The PBS hack wasn't Anonymous, it was LulzSec. Whilst Anonymous will usually have some social or political reason for their actions, LulzSec just did it because they could. The BART attack had a reason, even if you don't agree with it:

“In the Bay Area, we’ve seen people gagged, and once more, Anonymous will attempt to show those engaging in censorship what it feels like to be silenced. #Operation BART is an operation geared toward balance — toward learning. You do not censor people because they wish to speak out against the wrongful occurrences around them. The Bay Area Rapid Transit has made the conscious decision of ordering various cell phone companies to terminate services for the downtown area inhibiting those in the area from using cell phones — even in the case of an emergency.”

The fact is, if Anonymous were to perform their actions against some tin-pot dictator you'd be cheering from the rooftops about them.

[Whats_Happening]

99. Thanks for the information --

I didn't know all of that.

Now that you mention it, I do remember being down in Central Park a few years ago and running into a largish protest (including many of the Fawkes masks) against Scientology. I support that 100%, and completely understand why masks would be worn at such an event -- Scientology is infamous for going to great lengths, even violent ones, to punish dissidents. I expect, also, that many of the young protesters there must have been in Scientology at some point, or grew up in Scientology families, so they had even more reason to keep their identities hidden.

I also didn't know that it was that "LulzSec" group rather than Anonymous who hacked PBS.

I still stand by the OPs idea that there is so much wrong, effectiveness-wise, in the protest aesthetics down at Wall Street right now, but I'm always open to learning new things! Thanks. :)

[Leopolds Ghost]

115. The difference is, MSM agrees that tin-pot dictators are bad.

The problem comes when people are unwilling to wake up and determine for themselves what is morally right and wrong.

[Leopolds Ghost]

114. The relevance of "V" is that the author of the GRAPHIC NOVEL (not comic book) is an important author

Who went into great deal of detail about politics and humanity in his writing.

He is considered one of the more important writers of the postmodern era.

You should read Watchmen and V For Vendetta sometime.

Or not -- you can defend your decision to be ill-read just like people who refuse to read political sci-fi (Fahrenheit 451 anyone?) because it is "childish".

Sci-fi was seen as just for kids back when those books were being written.

The movie is irrelevant.

[7wo7rees]

50. The mask has meaning. The mask stays. Deal.

[Codeine]

53. And we know it has meaning because Alan Moore and

the Wachoski brothers spent $54 million telling us all about its profound significance. :eyes:

[OnyxCollie]

59. How much is being spent on the Kathryn Bigelow movie

to tell us about the profound significance of the Osama bin Laden killing?

[Codeine]

63. I won't buy the product that film is selling either.

Completely immaterial to the contention that the Guy Fawkes mask is trendy nonsense.

[Wait Wut]

96. ...

:rofl:

I prefer the whole Matrix look, myself. He would also make a much better role model.

[dionysus]

51. yeah but you can feel hip, like a part of V for Vendetta!

[frylock]

84. clearly it's far more hip to heap scorn upon those who decided to wear a fucking mask..

you can all yuck it up over a glass of pinot as you cluck your tounges at the filth protesting on wall street.

[dionysus]

88. i don't scorn them, or what they're trying to accomplish, it's just that wearing silly masks doesnt

help the cause. bitter sounding strawmen don't help either.
:shrug:

[Mosby]

97. Is it OK if I yuck it up with a glass of cab?

See cuz I never saw that movie (I don't waste a lot of time on movies) so I guess I'm not hip enough to get the reference with the mask, it just looks stupid to me.

[Leopolds Ghost]

117. #1 -- it's a graphic novel, not a movie. The film is irrelevant to an educated person like yourself

#2 -- a glass of cab? How LR. Can we mock you for not drinking something more classy? :evilfrown:

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[QC]

56. +1

[rbnyc]

75. LMAO nt

[dtexdem]

58. Fine, think that if you wish. The issue is that they have a right to free speech expressed that way.

Or do you have a problem with free speech if you find that speech "goofy"?

[Whats_Happening]

78. I doubt the OP contests the protesters' right to free speech --

The protesters have every right to free speech. Some of us are just questioning the efficacy of their manner of expression.

Whatever happened to the "clean for Gene" concept? Seems like the kool kidz down at Bowling Green have never heard of it.

[Leopolds Ghost]

118. Clean for Gene? Yeah, they were real role models. Look what they did for Eugene McCarthy!

Plus, EVERYONE remembers them from the 60s, not those irrelevant radical hippies.

[Javaman]

71. Warner Brothers owns the trademark and license for the masks...

they are manufactured in China.

While I'm all for a little protesting, I find it odd that by buying a "Guy Fawkes" mask, you are contributing to exactly what you are protesting against.

I completely understand why people wear it, but just know, unless you make one yourself, you are giving your money to the very same people you are protesting against.

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[Leopolds Ghost]

120. Maybe Anonymous should make their own masks. n/t

[Fire Walk With Me]

86. I'm pretty sure this is my first time: Net recommendation: 0 votes (Your vote: -1)

[quinnox]

94. I feel honored

Jesus Christ, this is the first time you ever unrecc'd a thread?? Whatever, you must not be very discriminating. There are tons of unrec worthy stuff posted here daily.

[LanternWaste]

90. Do the masks make one look more or less silly and goofy than an esoteric nom de plume...

Do the masks make one look more or less silly and goofy than an esoteric nom de plume on an anonymous political message board whilst minimizing political activists?

[quinnox]

93. yea, yea, whatever!

I don't care what you think, bub.

[Leopolds Ghost]

123. What's interesting is when Internet was invented, there was a big debate on what "quinnox" is doing

Big Institutions did not like the idea of posting on-line under anything but your legal name, it was academics and computer geeks (those "hippie anarchist hackers") who came up with the present custom.

Just like radical leftists in the labor movement invented the weekend.

[Oilwellian]

91. Good grief. Who gives a shit?

I'm just happy they're protesting Wall Street.

[Patriot 76]

92. As long as you're sorry.

Talking shit about people protesting from the confines of your comfy chair.

That's brave.

[Malikshah]

100. So what do we call the people who call these folks goofballs and disparage them?

Luddites? Status quo loving douchenozzles?

Part of the problem?

It is a puzzlement...

[Leopolds Ghost]

122. Americans?

Typically complacent, who talk about freedom and live the unexamined life?

[Modern_Matthew]

102. Looks better than tie-dye shirts and flowers in their hair.

And at least they're doing something more than just listening to music for a really long time.

That's always extremely revolutionary.

[WilliamPitt]

103. Ouch.

:rofl:

[TheKentuckian]

104. Must be doing something right to stir the authoritarian taintlickers up.

Increase the usage of the masks, I sez. They fear it might be contagious.

[rucky]

105. You don't understand the power of symbols

they may not influence you, and that that's fine, but attaching a recognizable image to a cause has more impact than if they were all there in "business casual"

[bemildred]

110. Name calling isn't much of an argument. nt

[Lucian]

116. ...that's the best you've got?

Calling them "goofballs?"

:eyes:

[Irishonly]

121. I thought it was great

I am an old fart and I know who Fawkes was. Maybe instead of criticizing we should be supporting them. They will get better organized and their numbers will grow.

[Leopolds Ghost]

127. What about the original Tea Partiers? The Boston Mob? You'd probably call them an unruly mob.

:shades: