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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 03:18 PM
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If Bill Clinton can ask the Singapore government not to cane an American for vandalism
surely President Obama could ask the Georgia Parole Board to reconsider executing someone who could well be innocent?
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RZM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 03:20 PM
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1. I'm sure he could
Edited on Wed Sep-21-11 03:29 PM by RZM
But Bill Clinton had nothing to lose politically by doing that. Obama does.

Not saying that means he shouldn't, but the stakes are higher here.

Besides, he learned his lesson on 'meddling' when he (clumsily) waded into the Skip Gates affair. After that, there's no way he's going to touch a scandal unless he absolutely has to.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 03:26 PM
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2. Arkansas Gov. Clinton ordered the execution of a retarded man to look "tough on crime".
Edited on Wed Sep-21-11 03:27 PM by ClarkUSA
In answer to your question, it's not a federal crime so Pres. Obama has no legal jurisdiction. Read more about the law here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=778009&mesg_id=778215
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 03:42 PM
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10. No legal jurisdiction, just bully pulpit.
I like to think that I would at least ask to stop the execution if I were President.

And point taken about Clinton executing that mentally retarded guy during his campaign to burnish his tough-on-crime credentials. The death penalty is an ugly thing all around.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 06:08 PM
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15. Such an action could make things worse since it would unnecessarily politicize -
or at least give the appearance of politicization - this situation. I'm not interested in Pres. Obama "going on the record" in cases like this. Any President is irrelevant to the process in this instance.

BTW, his defense is appealing to the SCOTUS, according to Al Sharpton.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 03:26 PM
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3. International incident vs. state law.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 03:36 PM
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4. He could, and they could tell him to butt the fuck out of the business of a US state.
It wouldn't help.

They'd probably be more motivated to kill the guy, just to spite Obama for asking.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 03:38 PM
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5. The only thing he can do is pardon Troy Davis...
then they'd have to let him go.
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 03:40 PM
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6. Legally, I don't think he can, as it is an (alleged) state crime.
Edited on Wed Sep-21-11 03:42 PM by Nye Bevan
However, he could use his bully pulpit. I would like to think that the Board of Paroles could use Obama's request as a cover-your-ass excuse; they could claim that they issued the commutation out of respect for President Obama, while still pretending that they believe the guy to be guilty.
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Puregonzo1188 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 03:40 PM
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7. Can he? I've seen mixed answers on DU as to whether or not the President can Pardon someone if
they're convicted of a crime at a state level, not a federal. But I could be wrong.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 04:12 PM
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13. I believe the pardon power is not restricted in any manner...
He can do it.
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 04:19 PM
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14. The pardon power for FEDERAL
crimes is not restricted, but he has absolutely no legal power to do anything about a state matter.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 03:41 PM
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8. He could do that. Georgia would tell him to take a hike.
Then, when the man was executed anyhow, people would blame the President.

For all I know, he has already communicated with Georgia officials. It wouldn't be done as a public thing, anyhow.

This is on Georgia. It is their execution. Put the blame where it belongs.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 03:41 PM
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9. Remember what a big deal that was?
Gave the Sandman a pretty good gimmick, tho.
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 03:52 PM
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11. Yeah, it was huge. Just imagine if DU had been around back then.
Some of the threads would have been quite contentious, I imagine.
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RZM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 04:07 PM
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12. When Fay was released, he went to live with his father
Who at the time lived 15 minutes from where I did. When the news of his release hit somebody spray painted 'Welcome Back Michael Fay' on a wall there. :)
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 06:09 PM
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16. States rights.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 06:10 PM
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17. Amy Goodman has reported from outside the prison that the stay of execution has been granted.
Edited on Wed Sep-21-11 06:10 PM by ClarkUSA
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