Most independent voters would prefer Palin as president over Obama

[NNN0LHI]

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/09/20/2417027/poll-finds-obama-losing-ground.html

Poll finds Obama losing ground to Republicans
McClatchy Newspapers

Posted on Tuesday, 09.20.11

WASHINGTON -- Look out President Barack Obama. Even Sarah Palin's gaining on you.

A new McClatchy-Marist poll finds that Obama looks increasingly vulnerable in next year's election, with a majority of voters believing he'll lose to any Republican, a solid plurality saying they'll definitely vote against him and most potential Republican challengers gaining on him.

Even in potential matchups where he leads, Obama in most cases has lost ground to the Republican.

The biggest gain came for Palin, the former Alaska governor who hasn't yet announced whether she'll jump into the fast-changing race for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination.

After trailing Obama by more than 20 percentage points in polls all year, the new national survey, taken Sept. 13-14, found Palin trailing the president by just 5 points, 49-44 percent. The key reason: She now leads Obama among independents, a sharp turnaround.

[Davis_X_Machina]

1. Thank god there's so few independent voters. n/t

[LeftofObama]

2. I call BULLS**T! N/T

[Greybnk48]

31. I second that. Complete and utter B*llsh*t. n/t

[ProSense]

3. The poll

also indicated that Giuliani is the only Republican who could win.

[newspeak]

52. you mean "cheating" giulliani

the giuliani who was rumored to have his love nest in one of the WTC buildings? The giuiiani who was allegedly advised that the emergency center should be some place other than the WTC buildings? The giuliani who thought school uniforms were more important than bricks falling on students' heads? And we won't talk about the gestapo police tactics under giuliani.

Yeah, a hell of a pick for a presidential candidate.

[Fumesucker]

4. Which is why Obama needs to go hard right to capture those voters..

:eyes:

Who the fuck else are the sane among us gonna vote for, eh?

:banghead:

[onehandle]

11. No, he just needs a boob job. nt

[Fumesucker]

14. Nah, he's got Geithner and Immelt..

That ought to be a big enough pair of boobs for anyone.

[LeftishBrit]

5. Then most independents are as thick as two short planks.

Palin???????

[GoCubsGo]

6. Most independent voters will change their minds a thousand times before election day.

[Upton]

7. If this poll is correct..

and 53% of independents "definitely plan to vote against him" It not only means he can't win, but it shows his move to the right has been a dismal failure....

[NNN0LHI]

9. It means the constant Obama bashing is having its desired effect

Trying to read more into than that is just nonsense.

Don

[Upton]

10. Yeah...I'm sure the state of the economy

has absolutely nothing to do with it..:eyes:

[NNN0LHI]

13. That isn't the case for anyone who does their critical thinking from above the waist

I am not all that smart and I realize Obama was just a kid when this economy began its downfall during the two Reagan administrations.

Amazing how some supposedly smart and educated people can't figure that out for themselves.

Isn't it?

Don

[Upton]

16. Like it or not, fair or not..

most voters don't spend their time on partisan political boards dissecting and evaluating the reasons for the downturn in the economy.

They look to the man at the top...and considering no president since at least WW II, has ever been reelected with unemployment figures anywhere near where they stand now, one can only conclude Obama chances in 2012 are on real shaky ground..

[Fumesucker]

17. I'm reminded of the woman who told Adlai Stevenson he had the vote of every thinking person..

His reply?

"That is not enough madam, we need a majority."

[GreenPartyVoter]

30. LOL

[Bluebear]

37. +

[newspeak]

49. so, some who say they are independent looks to be libertarian

and they do love their corporate masters and love being screwed. It also seems they have a very short term memory, especially when it comes to little boots and darth cheney. I guess they think the repugs can do the same policies over and over again, except worse this time and they'll get a different result. Oh, it will be different--most of americans will probably be living in poverty while the wealthy take it all--those living if they don't eat any tainted food or drink poisoned water.

[mwb970]

8. This just seems impossible to me.

Not only is Palin manifestly unqualified to be president of anything, she has a 70% disapproval rating nationally and her popularity continues to droop. I can't picture any "independent" wanting to be led by the Wasilla Grifter.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

21. Impossible AND implausible

I wonder if this finding can and will be replicated in future surveys. My guess is no. Unfortunately, too, right now, all we're getting fed is a steady stream of right-wing propaganda, as well pretty much nothing other than a diet of negative anti-Obama "hit pieces".

[JVS]

26. It seems since 2008 it has been common practice for the most rabid republicans to go independent

I think this was their way of trying to distance themselves from the obvious failures of the Bush administration. Anyway, all the asshole republicans I knew dumped him and claimed he was actually a Liberal. Then they started the teabagging bullshit. It works well for them too, because when they call themselves independents the media actually gives a shit about their wingnut kookery.

[mwb970]

53. They should start saying "self-described independents". /nt

[Modern_Matthew]

12. Then some people shouldn't be allowed to vote...

Damn straight I said it.

[stuntcat]

27. ..

There ARE some wonderful humans.. really, I've seen them.. but as a mass humanity fails so bad. It's happened over and over in history and now our mass-fails are just getting bigger, having larger effects.

Looking around at my fellow Americans (and I grew up in the South) (AND once in a while I turn on the boob-tube to see what kind of commercials our corporations are paying to show us) I am not afraid to say it out loud: I wish there was some type of test for taking part in making decisions about EVERYONE'S future.

There, I said it.

[Scuba]

15. Most polls are designed to shape opinion, not measure it. n/t

[Proud Liberal Dem]

18. Who are these "independent" voters anyway and what the hell do they want/believe?

Does anybody know? If we have gotten to the point where people are ready to vote ANY Republican into office (i.e. Palin, Perry, Romney, et. al), then our country really is severely f****d up! :banghead: Do these people seriously believe that they moment they put one of these loons into office and medicare/social security are privatized, social spending is reduced to practically zero, regulations are stripped/unenforced, health care reform is repealed, financial reform is repealed, the Bush tax cuts are made permanent, etc., the country is going to suddenly be fixed (boy, will they look stupid the day after) and usher in a new golden age? :eyes:

The constant polling, bashing, and drumbeat of negative stories, unfortunately seems to be having its intended effect. :puke:

[mmonk]

19. Which is why he should concentrate on them

and not us lefties.

[brooklynite]

20. Before getting worked up about this...

These are low information,non politically active voters paying limited attenion to an election a year away, and are responding to an abstract impression of Sarah Palin as opposed to the idiot candidate she would quickly become if she announced.

[HappyMe]

22. 'Independents' slugging republiCON kool-aid - film at 11! nt

[Whisp]

23. that is really hard to believe

but stranger things have happened before with (some) independents.

they were humming and hawing about McCain vs. Obama in '08. Gee golly wiz, I wonder which one? lol.

not such a bright crowd it seems.

[GreenPartyVoter]

24. The "Independent Voter" catchall term is generally useless. Any time I have ever been

polled it's always,"Are you Dem, Repub, or Indy?" Never any room to declare myself as a Green. It's the same for other small parties, including some extremely right-leaning ones. Perhaps this particular poll called a ton of them this time?

[NNN0LHI]

28. Maybe they don't list them all because there about 50 different political parties?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_States

[GreenPartyVoter]

29. That's understandable, however I think it skewers the notion that Independent

voters are somehow situated in the middle between Dems and Repubs. We hear all the time about how candidates are going after those middle-of-the-road Independent voters. I'm not so sure they exist in the numbers that people think they do. :shrug:

[NNN0LHI]

32. No one suggested that independents were made up of some monolithic liberal group

The independents I know personally come in all flavors.

From far right to far left to somewhere in the middle. Only common trait I have found in most of them is the notion that their "rugged individualism", will save them.

It won't by the way.

Don

[GreenPartyVoter]

40. I wasn't saying that they are a monolithic liberal group. I was saying what you

were saying, which is that the category runs the gamut of the political spectrum, hence the reason why I am annoyed with the media always talking about the "moderate Indy voters" and how the politicians are always trying to get their vote. I don't see how we can tell how many moderate indy voters are actually out there when the pollsters insist on shoving Greens and Socialists alongside members of the John Birch society under the same catch-all label. It's just an imprecise way of measuring things, in my book. :)

[JuniperLea]

45. It will keep our Karma bank far safer, however...

I am a registered Independent who refuses to be pigeonholed and I lean far to the left of Democrats, but always vote a straight Democratic ticket. My "rugged individualism" has and will continue to save me, thank you very much. :D Mostly as a means to shield my Karma bank from withdrawals due to hypocrisy.

[JuniperLea]

39. I'm a registered Independent because I'm very far to the left of Democrats...

I've never supported or condoned the support of Independent candidates, and have never voted for anyone other than a Democrat.

I think broad brush assumptions suck.

[GreenPartyVoter]

41. Yea, broadbrush assumptions and imprecise polling both suck. :^(

[JuniperLea]

46. The only polling I consider close to accurate...

Is exit polling.

[Blue_Tires]

43. +1000

It's a very generic term, and the media always overhypes their importance in elections...

And people identify as 'independent' for hundreds of different reasons...Most of the ones I've known were either really republicans, but think the title makes them edgy, cool, or anti-establishment, or libertarians...

[JVS]

25. He has a record to defend, she doesn't.

The independents don't have the natural dislike of Palin, because they're stupid to be frank.

[JuniperLea]

38. I've been a registered Independent for over a decade...

And a member of American Mensa for even longer.

I vote Democratic ticket all the way, and I have never supported or advocated the support of an Independent candidate... I'm an Independent because I am far, very, very far, to the left of the majority of Democrats and I don't feel it's right to be counted in that group.

Say again how we are stupid... I just love insults and condescension early in the morning. It smells almost as delicious as a long-suffering, unwashed track shoe.

[county worker]

33. Just what is it that a voter would prefer a republican to do over what they perceive Obama would do.

If this poll is correct than we really do have a majority of stupid ignorant voters in this country. My guess is that they are preparing us to accept a stolen election.

[Iggo]

34. Bullshit.

[joeybee12]

35. She's gained because she's been in hiding and hasn't opened her freaking mouth!

When she does again, she'll drop.

[JuniperLea]

36. LOL!

Oh, the desperation!

:rofl:

[spanone]

42. i think the lamestream media is in love with sister sarah

[JuniperLea]

47. She talks dirty to them...

Calls them names and such... they want to protect her (a sign of deep love and affection) even though she carries a rifle.

[Zorra]

44. That is a good indicator that, in general, independents are not all that bright. nt

[RagAss]

48. There are no independent voters.

[AsahinaKimi]

50. Are most Independent voters stupid?

What the hell do any of the Republican candidates offer to bring to the Presidency that is of any significance? Other than perhaps that unspoken promise to bring the country to its knees. Answer: NOT. A. THING.

[bobthedrummer]

51. BULLSHIT! n/t

[hifiguy]

54. BS on stilts and steroids

and in any case, "independent voter" is a term so mushy as to be meaningless.

[johnaries]

55. Hit piece - here's a link to the McClatcy site

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/09/20/124702/poll-obama-expected-to-lose-but.html

While most of the Republicans have gained on Obama, he still leads all of the announced candidates...
Obama is neck and neck with Romney, leading by 46-44. Obama had led by 5 points in August, 4 points in June, and 1 point in April. Romney now leads among independents, 44 percent to 40 percent.

Obama leads Perry by 50 percent to 41 percent. They split independents 43-43. Obama had led Perry by 19 points in August, as Perry was joining the campaign.

Obama leads Bachmann 53 percent to 40 percent. He had led her by 17 points in August, by 12 points in June.

Obama leads Palin by 49 percent to 44 percent. He led in August by 21 points, in June by 26 points, and in April by 22 points.

[Harmony Blue]

56. I know of no Independent voter that has a favorable opinion

of Palin.