Warren Harding could teach Barack Obama a thing or two in the Troy Davis case

[Karmadillo]

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/harding-publicly-condemns-lynching

On this day in 1921, President Warren G. Harding delivers a speech in Alabama in which he condemns lynchings—illegal hangings committed primarily by white supremacists against African Americans in the Deep South.

Although his administration was much maligned for scandal and corruption, Harding was a progressive Republican politician who advocated full civil rights for African Americans and suffrage for women. He supported the Dyer Anti-lynching Bill in 1920. As a presidential candidate that year, he gained support for his views on women's suffrage, but faced intense opposition on civil rights for blacks. The 1920s was a period of intense racism in the American South, characterized by frequent lynchings. In fact, the NAACP (National Association for the Advancement of Colored People) reported that, in 1920, lynching claimed, on average, the lives of two African Americans every week.

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[Tx4obama]

1. The Troy Davis case had absolutely NOTHING to do with President Obama.

And there was NOTHING President Obama could do to intervene.

The Troy Davis case was a STATE case.

President's do not have jurisdiction in state death penalty cases.

p.s. People that want to eliminate the death penalty need to work at the 'state level' to get the 'state law' changed.
There is no reason to expend energy bashing President Obama, since he has no control over state legislation and state judiciaries.

[geek tragedy]

5. This post isn't about Troy Davis. That is not what

is motivating the OP.

[Tx4obama]

9. The read title of the OP. See where the words Obama and Troy Davis are there?

The OP text has NOTHING to do with the Troy Davis case or Obama.

The Troy Davis was convicted due to a STATE charge that was brought against him,

whereas LYNCHING was not a 'law' - neither federal or state.

There is NOTHING that can be said that Obama should learn from the OP article regarding Troy Davis or what a former president said about something that was not 'law'.

Anyone that thinks President Obama is not an expert on Civil Rights, don't know much about Obama.

The whole argument is ridiculous.

[geek tragedy]

11. The person who posted this thread

doesn't give a shit about Troy Davis. They just hate Obama. They've started two Troy Davis threads, both bashing Obama.

Been pulling this shit since 2008. Disappeared during the general election that year, and will do so again in 2012.

[Name removed]

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25. In Crazyworld he could do that.

Sane people realize he can't invade Georgia (!) over a state criminal matter over which the Federal Courts had refused to assert jurisdiction.

Remedial civics classes are needed.

[pintobean]

27. as well as sensitivity training

"dumb-ass crackers" is a racial slur.

[geek tragedy]

2. Delusional post.

Unsurprisingly.

[Name removed]

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[Whisp]

4. apparently Obama needs so much teaching from so many people

People from decades ago, schleps on the internet... that Obama, just a vessel to be filled by opinions of others because obviously he is so stupid and vacant.
:crazy:

o, and Harding didn't have to deal with the Jane Hamshers and the poisoners quite the same way as in this day and age.

[geek tragedy]

6. Some people hate Obama because he dared to defeat

their favorite candidate in 2008.

The OP is a PUMA.

[MADem]

13. Hey, hey, hey

I supported HRC in the primary, and supported Obama in the general and will so do for reelection as well. Not everyone who supported HRC at the outset is nursing a grudge, particularly given her spectacular performance at State.

If there's unrepentant anger going on, that's a mission for the admins, I think.

[geek tragedy]

17. Most of her supporters are awesome people.

You included.

[MADem]

18. Thank you! nt

[SidDithers]

7. ...

:rofl:

Awesome post! :thumbsup:

Sid

[dsc]

8. I found out about Harding in this regard only a few years ago

and was really surprised. He wasn't able to pass anything but what he wanted to do was about equal to that which Truman tried to do.

[MADem]

16. He wanted to get drunk, play cards, and screw. Truman wasn't like that at all. NT

[frazzled]

10. A misleading argument on two counts

1. Lynchings were extralegal "justice" meted out outside of the officially sanctioned judicial system, but tolerated by the localities in which they occurred. It was universally condemned by all northerners and even many southerners. By contrast, like it or not (and I HATE it), since the 1976 Supreme Court ruling, individual states may legally apply the death penalty within their jurisdiction. That this particular case was full of holes and capital punishment carried out on a person who was most likely wrongly convicted is horrendous. But the federal government did not have any standing in it. None. For a president to interfere in a state's jurisdiction would have been considered a shocking overreach of his Constitutionally granted powers.

2. Obama has done more to prevent the wrongful convictions of accused persons like Troy Davis than Warren G. Harding or many others ever did. He personally crafted and brokered the first law in ANY state to require that police interrogations be videotaped in full. And he did this despite strong opposition from Republicans and police and prosecutors. This put an end to the most egregious forms of torture--yes, torture, which has been well documented and even admitted to in hundreds of cases--that had been occurring for years in the Illinois law enforcement community. Without this law and the revelations it brought , the recent abolition of the death penalty in that state would not have happened.

I see we are applying the double standard that Melissa Harris-Perry wrote about in The Nation article discussed in another thread. Another Democratic president himself oversaw the executions of a number of convicted persons in the state of Arkansas. Recall that there was a huge reaction to one of the last ones he approved--during the 1992 presidential campaign. Ricky Ray Rector was indeed guilty of murder, but he tried to kill himself and ended up shooting out his frontal lobe, leaving him completely mentally retarded and unable to understand a thing about his trial. Bill Clinton made a big deal out of overseeing his execution, despite the outcry about executing a retarded person. In 2002, the Supreme Court banned the execution of mentally retarded people, calling it cruel and unusual punishment.

Yet you single out this president, who has been far far less supportive of capital punishment and whose actions actually have led to its abolishment in Illinois, for failing to do something about a state matter over which he had no jurisdiction. If you want to find fault, you certainly will. But it is not merited here.

[MADem]

12. Warren Harding was a corrupt, drunken card-playing dumbass whoremaster.

He also sponged off his wealthy wife.

And those were his NICER qualities.

He was a horrible President, and a shallow human being.

You do understand why he advocated "full civil rights for African Americans" don't you?

Back then, any African American who could vote, voted for the PARTY OF LINCOLN. They'd cut off their hand before they'd vote for the Democrats, who, at the time, were, south of the Mason Dixon, anyway, along the lines of the Strom Thurmond model--if they were the "nicer" ones.

And you know why he wanted "votes for women?" Because he was regarded as EXCEEDINGLY HANDSOME in his day, and the prevailing view was that the "little women" would vote for the "cute guy" who was in favor of them voting, because, you know, they were "too stupid" to actually weigh the issues.

Harding never gave a speech or issued a public statement that wasn't designed to nurture his public persona and advance his cause, while concealing his dumbass excesses. He had EXCELLENT handlers.

[JVS]

14. Your talk about African American and the Republican party is the same thing repukes say today...

about African Americans and the Democratic party.

[MADem]

15. Well, shit yeah--what self-respecting person of color would vote for racist assholes?

The GOP are racist assholes, by and large--and they are also homophobic, and slightly sexist but getting better over the years.

I am not entirely sure I take your point. Blacks are free to vote for whomever they please--it's not like they are being prevented from registering to vote, though it remains a struggle to get sufficient polling places in predominantly African American communities in some parts of the country.

My point concerning the noblesse oblige of Harding the Card Shark was that the ONLY reason Harding advocated for women/Blacks is because they were RELIABLE votes--not because he had a sense of justice about their inalienable rights as fellow humans. If he believed that women would vote "D" he would have taken the very opposite position towards their suffrage without blinking an eye.

It was all about what was in it for HIM.

[Bluebear]

19. 15 ignored responses lol

[SidDithers]

22. Says a lot about you lol...nt

Sid

[Karmadillo]

21. Kick

nt

[geek tragedy]

26. How does it feel to use Troy Davis's corpse as prop for

expressing your undying hatred of the President.


Because, clearly, you did not give a shut about what happened to Troy Davis until you figured out a way to exploit his death to bash Obama.

[Karmadillo]

28. Geek! Back to obsess on me! Missed you!

:pals:

[alcibiades_mystery]

23. Couldn't go to FDR, whose shameful record on anti-lynching legislation

rivals even the worst imaginings of Obama's critics against Obama.

So you go to Warren Harding.

Yeesh, that's digging deep.

[NYC Liberal]

24. Barack Obama could teach Warren Harding far more than Harding

could teach him.

Holy hell, I thought the "Nixon was a liberal" posts I've seen on here were nutty enough.

Now it's Warren fucking Harding?