Jesus died by state-sponsored, legal capital punishment, too.

[tblue]

Do those clods in those debate audiences not realize, in another time and another place, they'd want His blood, too?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

1. And, Pilate washed his hands of it and blamed the locals.

[Brickbat]

2. BAM.

[11 Bravo]

17. Yup, Jesus Christ was a community organizer. Pontius Pilate was a Governor.

[patrice]

3. Sat Nam!

[MineralMan]

4. Yabbut, if he hadn't been executed there would have been

no Christianity. The whole religion depends on it. Heck, Roman Catholics have crucifixes all over the place. So, maybe that's why some Christians are pro-DP. If it was good enough for Jesus, I mean... :sarcasm:

[Initech]

5. I'll repeat until I'm blue in the face: the republicans don't believe in logic or history.

Just their warped, twisted perspective of it!!!

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

6. Jesus says what?

[Uncle Joe]

7. Yes and regarding the "more barbaric poll," which is worse,

"state sanctioned torture" or state sanctioned execution?"

His beating and crucifixion covered both of them.

Thanks for the thread, tblue.

[lame54]

8. Well then - if it was good enough for him

[AlecBGreen]

9. his take on the matter

Matthew 23:29 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. 30And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.

[tblue]

10. THAT'S WHO THEY ARE! Jesus said it right there!

He predicted this.

[Gregorian]

11. Yes, but.... They're only doing what they're told.

I see it pretty clearly now. These people cannot think for themselves. If they could, they'd be liberals. What they do is look for a leader to feed them ideas. And conveniently, the Limbaugh personality types are the ones they are attracted to. The big fat arrogant self assured sounding types. Not the Amy Goodman, Noam Chomsky types. Because it takes effort, and brains to actually understand those last ones.

And this explains the hypocrisy. It's not really hypocrisy at all. It's just random reversal of "emptyheadedness". It's only hypocrisy if one realizes what they're doing.

But yeah, you're right.

[unblock]

12. if it was good enough for jesus, it's more than good enough for those criminals!

:sarcasm:

there have also been plenty of anti-jewish christians through out history.
the nazis would have gassed him as well.

[msongs]

13. it was all god's plot and design. Pilate was a dupe and Judas should be worshipped as a hero cuz

without him and his role none of the myths would have taken place.

[WillyT]

14. I've Always Wondered About That...

Not that he was executed, but...

What if all that had happened in modern times?

Would people be wearing miniature electric chairs, nooses, and hypodermic needles around their necks?

Jesus wasn't the only one to be nailed to a cross.

:shrug:

[Indydem]

15. Terrible annalogy

Jesus was put to death for being a pacifist preacher who's message threatened those in power.

Capital punishment is metered out after a criminal is found guilty of a heinous crime by a jury of his peers.

Absolutely no comparison, except in your mind.

[Kalidurga]

16. Do you mean the outcome of capitol punishment is different based on the alleged crime?

Why does it matter what crime the accused is put to death for? In Jesus case I would say it is much worse as he didn't appear to commit any sort of crime at least not one that we recognize so much today. The analogy seems apt to me, though I don't believe this Jesus guy ever really existed.

[Indydem]

19. Capital punishment is, by it's very definition, for the worst of crimes.

So yes, it does matter what crime the accused is put to death for.

We don't put people to death for jaywalking.

We put them to death for ending the life of another human being. A crime so heinous that there is no redeeming value in it. A Capital Crime, ergo Capital Punishment.

[MineralMan]

21. Oh, dear. History, please.

Capital punishment used to be meted out for such crimes as stealing, too. And not all that long ago.

Here in the US, it's been used for all sorts of crimes. Just because you don't know history doesn't mean it didn't happen, you know.

Jesus was executed. Capital punishment. In his day, execution was the punishment for many things. Indeed, a thief was hanging next to him on another cross, if the story in the NT is to be believed. Your argument is unhistorical.

[PA Democrat]

22. Except when juries are wrong....

which they are way too often. Since 1973, over 130 people have been released from death row with evidence of their innocence.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/documents/FactSheet.pdf

[PassingFair]

28. Bullshit. "Jesus", if he existed, would have been executed for treason.

Against the powers that be.

He wasn't executed for being too nice.

Look what we did to Eugene Debs.

He wasn't executed, but his crappy imprisonment
ruined his health and killed him.

"In the early part of his political career, Debs was a member of the Democratic Party. He was elected as a Democrat to the Indiana General Assembly in 1884. After working with several smaller unions, including the Brotherhood of Locomotive Firemen, Debs was instrumental in the founding of the American Railway Union (ARU), the nation's first industrial union. When the ARU struck the Pullman Palace Car Company over pay cuts, President Grover Cleveland used the United States Army to break the strike. As a leader of the ARU, Debs was later imprisoned for failing to obey an injunction against the strike."





The analogy stands.

[rurallib]

18. christ was a criminal found guilty of a heinous crime by his peers

the crowd demanded his death.
I do not see the diff.

[Indydem]

20. Really?

Jesus was put on trial? He had a jury of his peers?

Get real.

[tama]

23. Socrates was

put on trial and he had a jury of his peers. He was found guilty of atheism and moral corruption of youth of Athens and sentenced to death. Instead of accepting the possibility to flee Athens and avoid death sentence, he accepted the sentence of his peers and drank the chalise of poison.

[RC]

24. And died a very painful death over the course of 4 or 5 hours.

[tama]

29. It was not painfull

Hemlock is not painfull, at least the infusion used in Athens: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conium#Socrates

[Warren DeMontague]

25. And, so did John Wayne Gacy.

One particular point of difference, we're pretty sure John Wayne Gacy actually existed.

[Ohio Joe]

26. Yeah but... He was guilty

:spank:

[aikoaiko]

27. The analogy doesn't work because Christ died to save them.

It had to happen according to prophecy.

[tblue]

30. Troy Davis hopes his death will lead to changes in the system.

I think it works.

[aikoaiko]

31. Fair enough. Troy did indeed hope for changes which his execution may facilitate

I guess my point is, and I should say I raised a Catholic but I am an atheist, is that in some theological circles the execution of Christ is not a bad thing. The suffering was bad, but the death was not.

[jmowreader]

32. Oh my. Jesus HAD to die in this way, or the faith doesn't work

Christianity would be a far different religion if Jesus would have died at the tender age of 740 with 150 wives, 900 kids and three thousand grandchildren, like a lot of people back then had. Leviticus 18 makes "I'm My Own Grandpa" look straightforward.

But seriously, if Jesus wouldn't have been executed the whole narrative would have changed. This of course never stopped every other religion in the world from working, but it would Christianity.

[Riftaxe]

33. And the Romans were renown for their

deliberative judicial process...