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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 08:04 PM
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George Bush to visit Canada. Should Canada prosecute him for war crimes?

Accountability for Torture: George Bush Visits B.C.

Panel Discussion

In his memoir, former U.S. president George W. Bush admits that when he was asked if men in U.S. custody should be waterboarded, he replied “Damn, right.” Despite admitting that he authorized torture, Bush has not been investigated or held accountable for his actions in the United States -- or by any judicial body elsewhere. Bush has enjoyed global impunity for his role in the torture of detainees held in Guantánamo, Abu Ghraib, Bagram and secret “black sites.”

Bush is scheduled to speak in Surrey, B.C. on October 20th. Is there a case against Bush for torture? Should Canada investigate him? Will Canada prosecute Bush for torture?

Please join us for an expert panel to discuss Bush’s responsibility for torture in the “war on terror” and the options for accountability in Canada.

Date: Thursday, September 29, 2011

Time: 6:30 - 8:30 pm

Place: UBC Robson Square, Room C180

800 Robson St., Vancouver (enter by the ice rink)

For directions, visit: http://robsonsquare.ubc.ca/find-us/

Panelists:

Matt Eisenbrandt, Legal Director, Canadian Centre for International Justice

Katherine Gallagher, Senior Staff Attorney, Center for Constitutional Rights

Gail Davidson, Lawyers Against the War

*Co-hosted by the New York-based Center for Constitutional Rights and the Canadian Centre for International Justice.

For more information, please contact meisenbrandt@ccij.ca or 604-569-1778

http://www.ccij.ca/programs/cases/guantanamo/index.php



See also this diary at Daily Kos

"Welcome to Boston, Mr. Rumsfeld. You are under arrest."

Republican Senator Lindsey Graham told reporters in 2004 of photos withheld by the Defense Department from Abu Ghraib, “The American public needs to understand, we’re talking about rape and murder here...We’re not just talking about giving people a humiliating experience. We’re talking about rape and murder and some very serious charges.” And journalist Seymour Hersh says: "boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. And the worst above all of that is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has."

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The 7th Circuit ruling is the latest in a growing number of legal actions involving hundreds of former prisoners and torture victims filed in courts around the world. Criminal complaints have been filed against Rumsfeld and other Bush administration officials in Germany, France, and Spain. Former President Bush recently curbed travel to Switzerland due to fear of arrest following criminal complaints lodged in Geneva. "He's avoiding the handcuffs," Reed Brody, counsel for Human Rights Watch, told Reuters. And this month Canadian citizens forced Bush to cancel an invitation-only appearance in Toronto.

The Mayor of London threatened Bush with arrest for war crimes earlier this year should he ever set foot in his city, saying that were he to land in London to "flog his memoirs," that "the real trouble — from the Bush point of view — is that he might never see Texas again."

Former Secretary of State Colin Powell's Chief-of-Staff Col. Lawrence Wilkerson surmised on MSNBC earlier this year that soon, Saudi Arabia and Israel will be "the only two countries Cheney, Rumsfeld and the rest will travel too."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/09/20/1018370/-UPDATED:-Welcome-to-Boston,-Mr-Rumsfeld-You-Are-Under-Arrest?via=siderec


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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 08:06 PM
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1. Yes, they should...
because Obama certainly isn't going to do it.
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Ohio Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 08:06 PM
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2. We should be prosecuting him for war crimes. - nt
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teddy51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 08:07 PM
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3. Yes they should, but they wont. I understand that both Bush and Cheney are
Edited on Sat Sep-24-11 08:08 PM by teddy51
going to visit Vancouver, but it is very doubtful that a Harper Gov't. (Conservative) will touch them.
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 08:11 PM
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4. Harper won't touch them.
He's trying to make Canada into the US, and will welcome them with open arms.
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teddy51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 08:21 PM
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9. With this last election, he really has nobody to answer to in the next 4 years either.
Edited on Sat Sep-24-11 08:22 PM by teddy51
And to add: Whether one liked Layton or not, he was a fighter.
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 01:12 PM
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20. Layton was a personal acquaintance,
and I was very fond of him. I miss him, and that will get worse in the next four years.

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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 08:14 PM
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5. Yes.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 08:16 PM
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6. Absolutely without a moment's hesitaition.
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Electric Monk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 08:16 PM
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7. Yes, and Cheney as well.
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teddy51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 08:25 PM
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10. Cheney for sure after him writing his book and admitting to Torture.
I see that as a clear cut admission to guilt.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 08:17 PM
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8. We must look forward and ignore crimes of the past.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 08:25 PM
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11. The torture of one person is a tragedy. The torture of thousands
is a statistic. (With apologies to Joseph Stalin.)
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teddy51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 08:27 PM
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12. I hope that you just forgot your sarcasm thingy! n/t
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 08:28 PM
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13. It's implied. Just echoing our President's attitude on this
Which is a disgrace!
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teddy51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 08:31 PM
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14. Got ya! n/t
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 08:35 PM
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15. I wish I could be there. It's just a half-day's drive.
Tied to my slave job.
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 08:44 PM
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16. He has already done a speech in Canada and they did nothing...
http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/03/17/george-w-speaks-in-calgary/

^snip^


George W. speaks in Calgary

Defends his decision to invade Iraq. Offers Obama help, if he wants it.

by Nicholas Köhler on Tuesday, March 17, 2009 6:55pm - 0 Comments

In an at times passionate, occasionally combative and frequently funny speech before a packed Calgary audience, George W. Bush addressed the issues of his controversial presidency and the challenges facing the world in its aftermath for the first time since leaving office in January.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 09:52 PM
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18. Well at least a native activist attempted a citizens arrest...
From the Project Censored newsletter, The Daily Censored:

The Trial of Splitting the Sky Versus George W. Bush and the Calgary Principles

Dacajaweiah, John Boncore, or Splitting the Sky, is not a man of few words. If you read his hefty 653-page autobiography, it is very clear that he has lived an extraordinary life and has survived more than his share of violence, to find deep within himself a well of energy and spirit enabling him to not only endure hardships, but to serve his people and the land in the timeless struggle against oppression and tyranny. From the Attica Rebellion to Gustafen Lake to Calgary in 2009, when he attempted a citizen’s arrest of George W. Bush, “Dac” has consciously taken a leadership role to politically challenge the powerful forces that dominate the North American continent. Brutally arrested for his action, he earned his “day in court” to voice not only his defense, but “to highlight the hypocrisy and criminality of the Canadian government for allowing Bush into Canada, and to firmly establish the legal defense of ‘civil resistance’, the duty of citizens to act when our governments and their agents are derelict in their duty. This will be very useful in the future to rein these criminals in.”

Prior to Bush’s visit, the group Lawyers Against the War asked Canadian officials to bar entry or try Bush for his suspected crimes since Canadian Law prohibits “people suspected of any involvement in torture or other war crimes and crimes against humanity from entering Canada for any period and for any purpose. The most recent report of the War Crimes Program affirms the necessity of barring war crimes suspects from Canada: ‘The most effective way to deny safe haven to people involved or complicit in war crimes or crimes against humanity is to prevent them from coming to Canada.’”

Lawyers Against the War and protestors implored the government to do their duty and arrest Bush. “Dac” was carrying papers detailing the evidence against George W. Bush, which he had planned to serve him with on behalf of the victims and the people of the world, and he raised his hands to show that he was “non-violent.” Dac was then thrown down, stomped on, kicked, handcuffed and led off to be brutalized in a Calgary jail.

Monday, March 8, 2010, he will have his opportunity to put forward his case and present evidence, with support, testimony and affidavits on his behalf from respected scholars, including David Ray Griffin, Peter Dale Scott, and Michel Chossudovsky, as well as from former US Congresswoman, outspoken human rights advocate, and former Green Party Presidential candidate Cynthia McKinney. Professor Anthony J. Hall, author of The American Empire and the Fourth World and founding coordinator of Globalization Studies at the University of Lethbridge, stated last December:

“Splitting the Sky’s action in Calgary highlights the abject failure of law enforcement agencies to do their job. It highlights the unwillingness of police and those who direct them to apply the law equitably and independently…

“As the Nuremberg principles make clear, the implicated law enforcement officers cannot claim in their defense that they were merely following orders in deciding to arrest Splitting the Sky rather than George W. Bush.


http://dailycensored.com/2010/03/07/the-trial-of-splitting-the-sky-versus-george-w-bush-and-the-calgary-principles/


John Boncore AKA Splitting the Sky got off relatively lightly when his case went to court. He received a conditional suspended sentence and a $1,000 fine to be paid to a charity of his choice.


CALGARY — A Chase, B.C., man will not go to jail after being convicted of obstructing a peace officer while protesting former U.S. president George W. Bush's visit to Calgary last year.


Provincial court Judge Manfred Delong handed a conditional discharge Monday to John Pasquale Boncore, 58, and placed him on probation for a year.

Boncore — who also goes by the name of Splitting the Sky — must make a $1,000 donation to a charity of his choice and pay a $50 victim fine surcharge as conditions of his probation.

http://rabble.ca/comment/1151728


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theaocp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 09:17 PM
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17. Where's the question? n/t
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 11:29 AM
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19. Shouldn't we do that?
But I would applaud the moral courage. There's been clearly none here in the U.S.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 01:41 PM
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21. ARREST HIS HIS WAR CRIMINAL ASS!
Please!
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