"Once Again, Nader and West Team to Elect a Republican President"

[LoZoccolo]

http://atlantapost.com/2011/09/26/once-again-nader-and-west-team-to-elect-a-republican-president/

[SidDithers]

1. recommend...nt

Sid

[dionysus]

4. vaht? san fransiskie? did you drive... or did you flew?

:hi:

[bluestate10]

2. The thing that amazes me is their their egos can fit in the same building.

They must have did a conference call, with each calling from the playing field of empty football stadiums.

[adhd_what_huh]

3. rec...can't wait for the Nader fan club to tell me what a great American Nader is.

[HappyMe]

6. They will be here soon.

rec


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[trueblue2007]

37. NADER'S FAN'S BETTER NOT COME HERE. I'll complain about all those notes

Nader fans will not re-elect the president, they will bring him down and that is not why we have a DU.

[flamingdem]

5. Recommend for all to read

and especially Nader faithfuls

[MineralMan]

7. Perhaps we'll be too smart to fall for it...

Or, perhaps not...

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[Enrique]

9. so they're supporting Obama now?

;-)

[Jackpine Radical]

10. Yup. He hits pretty close to my sentiments here:

"Admittedly, many of us are frustrated by President Obama’s lack of assertiveness toward the GOP, but the point of an election is to vote your interest, not your frustration. If you were Jewish in pre-Nazi Germany and frustrated with the administration in office, would you squander your vote to vent your frustration at the sitting administration, or would you vote to make damn sure that Hitler didn’t win the election? That’s the situation that we’re currently in here in the United States."

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

14. I wonder if they will be bashed over the head for comparing Republicans to the Nazis!

I wish people would stop doing this. Using Nazi Germany or the Holocaust to make a comparison, no matter how valid, is wrong no matter which side does it.

[griffi94]

11. if nader wants to run then he will

and if people want to vote for him they will.
it seems pretty simple. i don't quite get the nader obsession.

[dameocrat67]

28. conservadems are our entitled class like lords and barons in old

europe.

[fredamae]

12. naders mentality-"repeat the errors of past"

He's either really dumb, getting paid by the opposition or ???.
I watch but otherwise ignore nader.

[mopinko]

13. is he going to continue to poke his head up every 4 years

for eternity, or what?

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[begin_within]

16. Since when are Democratic candidates automatically entitled to someone's vote?

The voter is free to vote for whoever they want to. In the Florida 2000 election, 97,000 people chose to vote for Nader, yet Democrats act like they were somehow entitled to those votes.

Has anyone ever bothered to ask even one of those Nader voters why they chose Nader? Especially the ones registered as Democrats who might have voted for Gore if Nader wasn't in the race. Was Gore somehow automatically entitled to their votes? Anyone bother to ask them why they picked Nader?

In 2012, if Nader runs or gets someone to run, some voters may choose to vote for that candidate. And Democrats will again grumble about it, as if they were automatically entitled to those votes. Have they even stopped to analyze why someone registered as a Democrat might choose to vote for someone other than the Democratic candidate?

[LoZoccolo]

17. Whatever their reason for voting for Nader, he recieved not much more than 16%

of the number of his 2000 votes in 2004, leading me to believe that avoidance of a Republican president is a compelling reason to vote Democratic.

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[Lydia Leftcoast]

19. Then the Dems need to come up with a message and actions that are so compelling

and popular that Nader will look silly criticizing them.

What's so hard about that?

[LoZoccolo]

23. Or the professional left needs to quit lying when it suits them and not the people

they purport to serve.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

24. No, I challenged you first

:evilgrin:

Why piss and moan about Nader (who garnered even less of the vote in 2004 and 2008 than in 2000), when you could be working with your fellow party stalwarts to craft a popular and compelling message that would be irresistible to voters?

[LoZoccolo]

33. Because someone else is distorting the compelling message and will likely do so

to any message. We're talking about someone who said that there was little difference between the world's best-known global warming activist, and someone who did not even believe that people have any part in global warming.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

35. That was then; this is now

It will be two different candidates in 2012. If current trends continue, Nader will receive even fewer votes than in 2008 (which was hardly any).

It's time for the Dems to put on their big-boy pants and have the courage to tell the corporatists to fuck off, that they're going to work for ordinary American people for a change. And if the Republicans block good pieces of legislation, call them out. "I wanted to raise taxes on the wealthy, and the Republicans refused to support extended unemployment benefits unless I gave that up. And they claim to be on the side of ordinary Americans! If you agree with me, contact your members of Congress now." Just to show you how a recent incident could have been handled.

Oh wait, there's a current situation with the Republicanites holding up disaster aid. Call them on it. Really call them on it and tell the American people that if the government shuts down it will be the Republicans' fault. Remember how that backfired when the Newt was Speaker of the House?

You know, FDR didn't moan about how the Socialists and Communists took away votes from him. He adopted their best ideas as his own.

He didn't moan about the Republicans. He told the American people the truth about how the Republicans were blocking his initiatives, and in no uncertain terms.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

20. The moderates always advise us to "work within the party". Nader and West are doing that.

So, what's the problem?

[dameocrat67]

27. The moderates dont want you working in the party

they just want you to vote for it.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

31. Well, disappointment works both ways.

As I tell my senators and rep. "How you vote, determines how I vote."

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[Shagbark Hickory]

26. Nader is a giant douchebag. Stole the election. You're so right hoofman.

:shrug:
We'll see what happens.

[libodem]

29. Uh

FUCK NADER.

[Shagbark Hickory]

30. GO BEARS!

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. Our daily five minutes of hate

Brought to you by the party.

[Cal33]

36. But Lozoccolo's reasoning does sound logical. I just hope history won't be repeating itself.

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[Cal33]

40. I do think that Nader helped Gore to lose. I read only a small fraction

of the volumes of mail here. If I knew that the only purpose of the OP was
to stir up in-fighting, I wouldn't have written my post. Thanks for
letting me know.

[nadinbrzezinski]

41. These guys had a lot more to do with it

To anybody familiar with oh el Salvador in oh 1980 what happened in 2000 had distinct echoes.

[LoZoccolo]

42. I did not even write the article. n/t

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[Rex]

43. The author also thinks the GOP is in charge and not Obama.

"The primary reason that the American people are suffering is because President Obama is allowing the GOP to define our priorities..."

All over the place, but at least you found a Nader hater! :rofl:

[AverageJoe90]

44. K & R. K & R. Can't say this shit enough. nt