The next time you protest, I've two words for you: Bio Shield

[NightWatcher]

Its a moist towelette sold at cop shops that's used by pigs, er I mean cops, when the pepperspray flies back in their face.



Go buy all you can online or from your local cop shop before the protest and carry lots of water. Having been sprayed, it works. Also carry plenty of bandanas to tie over your mouth and nose. Soak them in water and cover your face.

Good luck out there kiddies
-your friendly Guerilla

[DJ13]

1. & dont forget

[NightWatcher]

2. Wouldn't that make you a dick?

[DJ13]

3. Only in spurts

:hide:

[AmBlue]

14. LOL!!

:spray:

[WhiteTara]

20. LOL

:spray::rofl:

[msanthrope]

26. I miss the DUzys....nt

[SpiralHawk]

30. Is this the conDOMME rig Bristol Palin is advocating for her Wannabe Absty Chasties (R)

The standard Republicon practice is to do Condom Donnage well after-the-um-sexual-fACT, then to smirkily Harrangue others to 'Go Absty' as if that would make you RAPturd Ready (R).

I have always suspected the Absty Chasty harrangue thingy that so-called Xties lay onto others was, occulty, just a way of eLiMinATing comPETition and thereBY INCREASING THE ODDS that they will score.

Not that this rant has a damn thing to do with Wall Street gassings of America's citizens...but it needed to be said.

[hlthe2b]

4. maybe some goggles?

That crap can severely impact any mucous membrane, but it is when the eyes are sprayed that one becomes so incapacitated.

[rustydog]

9. You are not incapicated, you can open your eyes and see

if you want to fight. It stings likehell, but you still can function.
nasty stuff, it does work well gainst crowds causing panic and confusion.

[Muskypundit]

65. I was thinking about that too. I would just carry a pair of goggles around

to put on when cops are around. Shit, I would probably have a bag that I would have a gas mask in too. Its available, easy to get, and they work when the canisters are fired.

[FSogol]

5. Man, I wish I had thought of selling high tech baby wipes to the police.

Any word of whether those work any better than normal baby wipes?

[Frosty1]

7. I've heard that vinegar

does the same thing to neutralize mace. I don't know if it's true but I remember people being arrested for carrying it to other protests.

[Confusious]

12. Don't know about neutralizing

They way I think it works is that the pepper has oil, which is the hot part, and the vinegar being an acid is more effective in wiping the oil away then just water alone.

I think I read about the pepper and oil somewhere learning to cook ( trying at least ) curry sauce.

I could be wrong though.

[notadmblnd]

67. You couldn't have Hot and Sour soup if vinagar neutralized the hot in peppers

I happen to love Hot and Sour soup and the vinegar and heat along with the tofu, beansprouts and other veggies is just... yummmmmmm.

It's making me want Chinese takeout.

[EFerrari]

15. Vinegar would sting your eyes. People are using milk. n/t

[Frosty1]

21. I was wrong it's teargas not mace

http://chemistry.about.com/od/chemicalweapons/a/teargasexposure.htm

[EFerrari]

29. So awful that we're sitting here talking about chemical attacks

on peaceful protesters. :(

[Frosty1]

31. Isn't it?

Are we a police state yet?

[dash_bannon]

40. Close

We're getting there.

[Confusious]

34. At least its not bullets or people being seriously beat up

Like in the old days. Which weren't so old. ~70+ years ago.

[formercia]

32. The Milk has Butterfat which absorbs the Capsacin.

Try and get whole milk or Half an Half. They have more Butterfat.

[xocet]

44. Would buttermilk be a good choice, too? n/t

[formercia]

56. Don't know, but it is fermented

I wouldn't put it in my eyes. Vegetable oil might be another good choice. Don't use Butter unless it's unsalted. Regular butter will sting. Use common sense. The point is to use something oil based that won't irritate your eyes. The active ingredient in Pepper Spray is oil-soluble, so you will need something compatible to remove it from your eyes and skin.

More info on Buttermilk:

Buttermilk refers to a number of dairy drinks. Originally, buttermilk was the liquid left behind after churning butter out of cream. It also refers to a range of fermented milk drinks, common in warm climates (e.g., Middle East, Pakistan, India, or the Southern United States) where fresh milk would otherwise sour quickly.<1> It is also popular in Scandinavia and the Netherlands, despite the colder climates.

Buttermilk may also refer to a fermented dairy product produced from cow's milk with a characteristically sour taste caused by lactic acid bacteria. This variant is made in one of two ways:cultured buttermilk is made by adding lactic acid bacteria (Streptococcus lactis) to milk; Bulgarian buttermilk is created with a different strain of bacteria called Lactobacillus bulgaricus, which creates more tartness.

Whether traditional or cultured, the tartness of buttermilk is due to the presence of acid in the milk. The increased acidity is primarily due to lactic acid, a byproduct naturally produced by lactic acid bacteria while fermenting lactose, the primary sugar found in milk. As lactic acid is produced by the bacteria, the pH of the milk decreases and casein, the primary protein in milk, precipitates causing the curdling or clabbering of milk. This process makes buttermilk thicker than plain milk. While both traditional and cultured buttermilk contain lactic acid, traditional buttermilk tends to be less viscous whereas cultured buttermilk is more viscous.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buttermilk

[notadmblnd]

66. milk or beer will work

they both have the enzyme that neutralize the pepper.

[EFerrari]

72. I wouldn't want to have an open beer around those cops.

They'd probably arrest you for public drunkenness.

[notadmblnd]

76. yeah, i know. but someone could always run into a nearby pub or liquor store and get one

keeping an unopened beer in a back pack or pocket book shouldn't be an issue with police. but no, I wouldn't walk around with an open one.

[Matariki]

6. During the WTO protests our idiot mayor outlawed gas masks

so people couldn't protect themselves.

good advice, btw.

[RKP5637]

8. As we move right on into being a police state. n/t

[druidity33]

10. in NYC

you can get arrested for wearing any kind of mask!

But most especially if it's a Guy Fawkes one...

[aquart]

18. Not in the Village.

[druidity33]

75. well

just because people aren't arrested there, doesn't mean they can't be. It is on the books in NYC and has been for many years. People at the current Occupy Wall St protest have been arrested for it.

Besides, the Village is a whole 'nother ballgame...

:)

[aquart]

78. Not to mention we're known to fight back.

[aquart]

11. Good to know. Can the "pig" crap.

I remain totally opposed to the practice of gooking opponents. You know, like our boys called the Vietnamese people gooks so it wouldn't matter if we killed them. Dehumanization, then massacre.

You don't like what they did? Work against it. Don't you dare pretend it wasn't human beings just like you who did it.

[inna]

13. stereotypes in general do not help - which applies to your stereotypes as well

[aquart]

16. Thank you for blanding the issue.

Stereotyping is the kindergarten version of gooking.

[diveguy]

17. Thank you.

And for trying to get people to quit the stereotype, i will give some advice.

I am a former leo. i can tell you from experience that the bio-shield does not work that well. Not worth the money at all. Milk actually does work pretty good. I will tell you how to go about it.

If you know you are gonna get sprayed. Wipe a little Vaseline on yourself. They make some pretty stylish goggles that look like small glasses. get them. Carry a bandanna or a type 95 dust mask on you. And always carry an extra set of clothes.

If you get sprayed. Hold your breath until you can get the bandanna over your mouth or get the mask on. Here's the biggest thing. DO NOT RUB ANYTHING. Have someone or yourself pour water on your face. wash your hands. Pull off your shirt and repeat the process. You can then wash off the Vaseline and repeat all the steps.

[progressoid]

19. +1

[mod mom]

22. Thanks, but what's a leo?

[SecularMotion]

25. Law Enforcement Officer

Law Enforcement Officer = Cop

like

Sanitation Engineer = Garbageman

[mod mom]

27. Then a special thank you for your service & compassion!

:hi:

[Logical]

58. He wasn't drafted.

[mod mom]

69. Policemen & firemen risk their lives for the public. I appreciate their sacrifices

They put themselves & families through. I've stood shoulder to shoulder with them protesting the draconian efforts of the GOP in my state to prevent unions. I hold them in high regards unless individual acts turn me against that individual.

[Logical]

70. Most of them have great jobs with great benefits......and amazing retirements....

I hold the farmer, roofer or plumber in the same light. And I doubt you thank them for their "service"!

And police officers do not rate in the top 10 most dangerous jobs in the USA.

[mod mom]

74. I judge individuals not stereotypes.

This poster, a LEO, have useful information for us you attend protests and might find ourselves in bad situations.

A plumber? really? :eyes: whatever.

[Logical]

77. You sound like the type who would insult a plumber! Classy!

[Fuddnik]

28. Good info: I'm headed for DC next week.

And I just happened to buy a couple of dust masks (N95)at Home Depot for a plaster repair job in my dining room last week. They only cost about $4.00 for a two pack. For goggles too.

[Taverner]

36. +100000

[jwirr]

45. Totally agree with you. The witnesses after the macing said that

most of the police did the job they were there for. We do not want to alienate those policemen. They talked about them being part of the 90% just like the rest of us and vulnerable to the same Wall Street greed. We need to remember the army in Egypt and the police in Wisconsin.

However, that action was not just a few rotten apples in the barrel. Someone at the top authorized the use of Bologna who had been cited for violence during the rethug convention and someone handed out the mace. That individual is worthy of a few names.

[frylock]

49. fuck tha pigs

[libodem]

60. Ah, Frylock

You always had a way with words.

[sfpcjock]

23. These could be good. I would wear protective eyewear

Buy a cheap pair of clear safety protective glasses at your Sears store.

[Overseas]

24. K&R.

[Javaman]

33. better than that: swim goggles. nt

[MadHound]

35. Talk to your elders, the ones who first experienced this back in the sixties,

They will tell the most effective way of dealing with potential chemical attacks is two fold preparation. First, coat your skin with Vaseline, this prevents any chemical agents that work via the skin from working. Second, carry a pair of swim goggles.

[valerief]

37. What's a cop shop? Can regular people shop there? nt

[diveguy]

38. Yes

It's basically just a store that has everything a Cop might need. They usually go hand in hand with a uniform company. They will have clothes, shoes, bags, and then the leather gear. Larger, better ones also have Fire/Ems and traffic control/Highway construction.

[valerief]

63. Thx. I never heard of it before. I just found copshop.com, too. nt

[GETPLANING]

39. I'm just wondering

How Tea Party protesters can walk around with guns strapped to their legs and carry signs talking about "watering the tree of liberty" and nothing happens to them, but a bunch of girls in tee-shirts with peace signs on them get maced?

[dash_bannon]

42. Amen

I hear ya. what's scary about college aged girls?

I think the cops should do equal time and mace some Tea Baggers.

[spin]

43. It's not wise to bring mace or pepper spray to a gun fight ...

If you are a bad ass cop who plans to pick on someone, three harmless and unarmed girls are a much easier and safer target than risking pissing off some strange fool who is legally openly carrying a loaded firearm at a political event.

I should note that I have a concealed carry permit and I carry a concealed snub nosed .38 caliber revolver but I am a Democrat and not a member of the Tea Party. Many Democrats own firearms and more than just a few have carry permits. It's a common misconception that all Democrats oppose firearm ownership unless the firearms are used for target shooting or hunting.

[Jamastiene]

46. Most cops I've known have agreed with the right wingers on most issues.

It's probably that they do it for fun. They hate liberals. So, they let the Tea Baggers carry the guns all they want and attack liberals. Why? Because they can.

[HughBeaumont]

50. Um, well . . . it's because they're on the same side.

"Wink wink" and all that.

It's how the Baggerati TeaHad can get away with gang-beating up a Gold Star dad marching at an anti-war protest in broad daylight and . . . well, yuk it up with the police after the fact.

Not. One. ARREST.

And that wasn't the only action of violence and threats by the "Gathering of the Eaglets" that I saw that day.

Fucking ridiculous.

[Recursion]

51. Easy: they don't block access to buildings, we do

In most areas, carrying a weapon in public and assembling for political redress are completely legal. Occupying a public space to the point that other people can't use it isn't. We break the law and they don't.

[KoKo]

41. K&R...Good Tip...!

[midnight]

47. K&R

[avaistheone1]

48. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

k&r

[Shagbark Hickory]

52. REally? A freaking Wet Nap?

[Recursion]

54. If it's what we had in the Marines, there's charcoal in there

soaks up just about anything.

[Shagbark Hickory]

55. What are you supposed to do, wipe your eyeballs off with it?

[Recursion]

57. eyelashes were more important; the crystals stay there and drop into your eyes

Not much you can do about the immediate sting to the eyes, but if you get it off the parts of your face around and above your eyes you'll usually be ok pretty quickly.

[Divine Discontent]

61. good explanation, and it's a a great idea to have these. organizers of events should give 2 to all

http://www.zazzle.com/republicans_2012_keeping_millions_out_of_work_bumper_sticker-128002960205017719 http://www.cafepress.com/barackobama12

[Lucian]

53. I'll remember that the next time I'm protest near pigs.

[NNN0LHI]

59. I want a few packages of Billy Club Shield before I do any more protesting

I still have bumps on my head that won't go away to this day from the 1960's.

Don

[FailureToCommunicate]

62. I dunno about these and eyes. Back in the day we wore wet bandanas and

bike or motorcycle helmets. It doesn't really keep you safe from serious police efforts at crowd control (corralling) using horses,mace launchers or squad cars...
But, it will usually allow you to help pull to safety folks that are less prepared.

[notadmblnd]

64. You can buy it here.

http://www.crimesciences.com/StoreBox/bioshieldpepperspraydeco.htm

Reasonable prices too. They even have an emergency riot kit.

[leftyohiolib]

68. the fact that we are talking like this is astounding.

and the police are making this neccessary? isnt their motto like protect and serve ? outlaw face masks, that doesnt seem legal. why dont they just make being out of jail illegal?

[HughBeaumont]

73. As far as protests go, they protect and serve if you're nice and Baggerific.

As shown above, y'all can beat up all the liberals you want and all you'll get is "away with it".

They never brandished 3 foot riot batons or shields at 9/12, the Gathering of the Assholes or any TeaHad event.

Nooooo . . . they save the riot gear for OUR protests against OUR protestors.

Witness the 2005 vs 2009 Inaugural events. I was at both and I was literally stunned at the contrast of protection given the two Presidents. The 2005 Coronation had literally a mile of 3-5 rows of shoulder-to-shoulder close-knit troopers, all in full gear, all the way down the route. Literally a wall of protection (they pepper sprayed and clubbed more than a few people that day).

2009? Not even close. Single row of police, each spaced about 15-20 feet apart.

Those who say that police treat all members of society equally are lying to themselves.

[w0nderer]

71. non stinging baby shampoo...

specifically designed to
a/ not sting eyes
b/ remove oily substances


wiki suggests similar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepper_spray

for pure pepper spray

if it's one of the fancy mixes
wiki has some more info on it


i'd stick to wipes if you can get them