To those who object to Anonymous' posting of Tony Bologna's personal info...

[markpkessinger]

... I would just like to point out that the police fairly regularly release such information about persons they have arrested, before those persons have even had benefit of a trial. They don't seem to trouble themselves too much about potential impact upon a suspects' family. So I fail to see why a police officer who has done something wrong deserves a level of respect towards his privacy that the police department routinely denies to those they arrest.

[ret5hd]

1. Excellent point.

[movonne]

2. I never had any problem with that....this is war and at this point

the corporations are winning..we must do what we can to stop this complete take over by the corporations...

[Lint Head]

6. I love your quote!

[Pamela Troy]

36. And if a few kids get targeted by criminals

who Dad arrested, them's the breaks.

Right?

[Name removed]

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[Swagman]

49. you think he should have privileges denied others when arrested

and made do the 'perp' walk, a deliberate and intimidating tactic?

It is absolutely vital this scumbag is identified and publicised in order that those he illegally assaulted know who he is as do others who may want to exercise their democratic right to protest.

[ellisonz]

52. I haven't read that from her. What I believe Pamela and I are objecting to...

...is going directly after him and his colleagues in a wholly legal and direct fashion. Anonymous decided to include his home addresses, the names of his wife, children and relatives, in their press release. That's mob rule.

[Pamela Troy]

87. Is it also absolutely vital

that his family be targeted?

[RoccoR5955]

62. How about this?

How about if a kid gets harassed by police because his dad was arrested? You know, pulled over for no reason, searched for walking down the street, followed, wiretapped... Is THIS fair?

[Pamela Troy]

89. No it's not.

What's your point?

[frylock]

64. his kids are all adults now..

won't somebody PLEASE think of the grown children?

[Pamela Troy]

92. And that makes it okay to publicize their names?

Why even do that?

[frylock]

110. no, what it does is put to rest the thought that poor officer bologna's toddlers..

are in any danger from Anon's posting of publicly available information.

[Pamela Troy]

112. And his grown children?

Why were their names publicized? What are people supposed to do with this information?

Do tell.

[frylock]

134. i have know idea what people are supposed to with this information..

but what fascist fucking pigs might do with this information is think twice before engaging in actions such as officer bologna lest they meet a similar fate.

[Pamela Troy]

138. Of course you do. You just don't want to say it out loud

because saying it would reveal the miserable, inhumane cowardice behind all this enthusiasm about releasing the names of the man's family.

[frylock]

208. inhumane cowardice is in that video for all to see..

and you know where you can jam your judgement of me.

[Pamela Troy]

220. And it doesn't lessen the inhumane cowardice of opening up

this man's family to retaliation one whit.

[ellisonz]

184. what about their children?

:shrug:

[frylock]

210. and what of the children of the children's childrens?

[jberryhill]

108. Ah, well, okay, then get the large size leg irons for them

[frylock]

111. yes, they'll need those leg irons to rape his daughter..

as you suggested will likely happen now that publicly available information has been released.

[jberryhill]

136. Is that what I "suggested will likely happen"?

No. But feel free to improvise.

[frylock]

141. my mistake..

another poster. please do accept my most humble apologies.

[jberryhill]

152. It's okay. Love means never having to say you're sorry /nt

[frylock]

211. olive juice too

[RaleighNCDUer]

86. If families of arrested suspects are targeted by vigilantes

well, them's the breaks.

[Pamela Troy]

93. Are the names and addresses of suspects' families

typically disseminated by the police?

[NutmegYankee]

174. Addresses typically are. And it's not hard to google who lives there.

[Pamela Troy]

194. Addresses of family members not living with the arresttee? Really?

[NutmegYankee]

227. Once you know a persons's name and address, you can quickly google the rest.

Type you name and your city into Google and there are dozens of websites that have collected information on you that name relatives and such. Welcome to the modern era - an era of zero privacy.

[Pamela Troy]

228. That does not make it okay to release that information

as anonymous did. You can also, with a little digging, find out where someone goes to work or school, what time they walk home, and what routs they are likely to take. Posting such information online with a tacit invitation for people to avail themselves of it is still irresponsible as Hell.

[NutmegYankee]

229. But one cannot google walking times or routes.

That takes surveillance.

All that happened here was one of these "data collection" websites was pasted into a webpage. No hacking was required.

[Pamela Troy]

243. Actually, you can. It takes some doing, but in many cases

it's doable. Look up a work address, look up a home address, look up the work hours, and you can make a shrewd, educated guess.

By the way, I've heard elsewhere that Anonymous did not, in fact, release the names and addresses of Bologna's family members, for which I'm very glad.

That still leaves all those folks here who defended the idea.

[Ian David]

3. Those who make legitimate justice impossible make vigilante justice inevitable.

This is one reason why NYCPD should have been doing a better job of policing their own.

When people lose faith that bad cops will be dealt with appropriately, private citizens will seek alternate means of justice.

[DocMac]

33. Oh how well that was said!

The October occupation of freedom plaza is coming up.

We shall see how deep the rabbit hole goes.

[RoccoR5955]

63. BINGO. give that man a ceegar!

Exactly the point!

[frylock]

67. well stated

[librechik]

79. perfect

let's start taking this as seriously as Bologna did and play at his level--at least we didn't go to his house and mace his kids, as he maced ours

[jberryhill]

90. Yep, that's pretty much what the RW militia folks say

What a thin veneer we've found.

[awoke_in_2003]

105. +1000. nt

[Cali_Democrat]

4. Indeed!

K&R

[Angry Dragon]

5. R&K

[LeftofObama]

7. Excellent point!

I remember the small town where I grew up. If a person was arrested, the info was put in the paper before the person even went to court. Small towns being what they are, where everybody knows everybody, the rumors would circulate and the person was guilty in the eyes of the public. I've seen it destroy people. If law enforcement cared one whit about citizen rights they wouldn't release that info before trial.

What goes around comes around officer Bologna!

[nichomachus]

8. I too lived in a small town

They didn't even need to put it in the paper. They just told the postmistress. She told the church ladies. They told everyone in the general store, and by the next morning everyone in town knew it.

[markpkessinger]

13. I grew up in a town like that! n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

16. Yes indeed. That's the town I grew up in. Couldn't WAIT to get out of it.

Everyone made YOUR life their business.

[RaleighNCDUer]

233. Yep. The paper was entirely redundant. nt

[gateley]

10. That happened to me. Didn't bother to mention that the

case was thrown out because my attorney proved the accuser had fabricated the entire thing. No matter that I was out a night in jail, $700 bail and attorneys' fees. :grr:

But I'm not sure the police can NOT release it -- isn't it public record?

[Jamastiene]

22. My town is the same way.

They never care about citizens safety, security, and privacy when they post a person's full name and address in my hometown's local paper.

[oldbanjo]

60. Two friends of mine were arested

for drugs, illegal guns and ammo, it was on TV with Pictures, I couldn't believe it. It was all bullshit, they were released and had done nothing wrong and they had nothing illegal, there was nothing on TV telling people that the news was wrong.

[Dawson Leery]

242. Small towns are just horrible.

[1monster]

9. That is true. And cause untold damage in the process.

[louslobbs]

11. K&R n/t

Lou

[roguevalley]

12. can't do the time, don't do the crime. he did a crime. he needs to

man up. dipshit.

[louslobbs]

23. Absolutely. n/t

Lou

[Major Nikon]

14. Most people learned by primary school that two wrongs don't make a right

YMMV.

[sabrina 1]

39. Well, the police never learned that, and as a result

of the public tolerating their abuses, many people have been hurt badly by them. They forget who pays their salaries, something they were reminded of over and over again yesterday. Our civilian police forces in major cities like NY are no longer civilian, they are militarized and they view the public as the enemy.

This movement is about taking the money out of politics so we get representation of, by and for the PEOPLE. What we have now is government for the Corporations. Once that is accomplished, everything will have to be reformed, ESPECIALLY our judicial system from top to bottom, and a major part of that will be Law Enforcement. It has become the enemy of the people, working for the top 1% as was made crystal clear this past weekend.

Since we know that rogue cops will never be held accountable for beating up innocent civilians exercising their Constitutional rights, it is the job of the people now since our politicians will never say a bad word about the police no matter what they do, to restore a civilian police force and remove the military operation from our streets.

They need to have consequences for their actions, they don't respond to the people so the only way to treat them is to use their own tactics, or we lose.

[Major Nikon]

80. Sorry, nothing that you said excuses this level of assholery

The victims of this have quite a few avenues as a means of redress, all of which can be done simultaneously.

Administratively they can petition their elected officials at the local, state, and federal level.

They can pursue legal action through civil courts.

They can file a civil rights complaint with the DOJ.

Most likely the "anonymous" crusader who bravely posted the names of the officer's family members is some nose picker living in his mom's basement, who is about as much of a victim as you or I are.

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[sabrina 1]

104. Lol, do you know what happens when you 'petition elected officials

to do something about police actions against the people? You are very naive. And legal action against the police? Lol! Sorry, that made me laugh.

It's a new world, I do not know anything about the Anon crusader. For all I know he could be a 'good cop' who knows what happens to whistle-blowers in this country, especially police whistle-blowers. The last one from the NYPD was dragged out of his home in the middle of the night and thrown into a psychiatric ward. Where, btw, he was declared 'sane'. That case is growing old as this good cop tries to get justice for what happened to him and his family.

Why assume the 'crusader' is the bad guy? He could just as easily be someone like the cop I just described.

Sorry, the system is so broken as far as the people are concerned, it really does call for new and creative ideas to get the message across that times are changing.

Most of us do not like exposing people like this, and a few years ago I would have condemned it, but people have given up on getting any kind of justice through the channels you just mentioned. We torture people, for years and years, keep them from their families, without access to our Judicial System, without contact with the outside world. Then we let them go after six, seven years without charges, and as the Wikileaks cables have confirmed, most of those that were detained and tortured were KNOWN to be innocent. Now, when they try to get some justice by suing in our courts, every single case has been thrown out 'for national security' reasons. BS, of course.

But this is the cruel oppressive system that cop is a part of. And you want us to continue to act like Miss Manners in the face of such a system, which is totally weighted towards protecting cops.

[Major Nikon]

122. Apparently you have little use for democracy

But that's the system we have. And there's plenty of cases where political pressure has fixed things. There's plenty of cases where people have successfully brought litigation against police departments and there's plenty of cases where civil rights complaints have resulted in the prosecution of police officers. Sticking your head in the sand and pretending it ain't so doesn't change reality.

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/05/30/justice_department_civil_rights_police

[sabrina 1]

189. I have the utmost respect for democracy.

'But that's the system we have'. Yes, and it's broken. While we the people have respected it, those in power have not.

For all the cases you talk about that have resulted in any kind of fair decision, there are tens of thousands more that have not.

This officer, eg, already has a case filed against him, from SEVEN YEARS ago! Why is that? The victims could die waiting for any kind of resolution to cases that involve wrong-doing on the part of the police.

Ask any African American about getting justice for criminal activities against them, which occur on a regular basis.

Publishing this officer's name should have done by the press considering he violated police procedure, something even the cops at the scene stated. But the MSM has been MIA from the growing movement which began right on their doorstep. They have sent reporters across the ocean to cover protests elsewhere, but have been remarkably silent on the one here in their own country.

He is lucky that all that happened to him so far is that his name was published. Why is that such a big deal? The names of the women he attacked have been published also. I don't hear them whining over it.

When the system fails the people, and the press facilitates the wrong-doing of those in power as our MSM does, (see how they treat War Criminals like Cheney eg) then it is up to the people to become the media and report on wrong-doing.

I doubt anything will happen to this cop. There will be an 'internal review' MAYBE if the pressure is kept up, a procedure that has become a joke frankly. He will be absolved. Already police spokesperson, that well-known distorter of facts, Paul Browne has already stated the position of the police. 'His actions were appropriate'.

[Major Nikon]

214. You have all the facts in that case?

Do you know why it's taken 7 years? Just because a case has taken 7 years, doesn't mean it's ALWAYS the fault of the defendant. And furthermore that case involved a completely different set of circumstances.

Any injustices which have been done in the past towards others, in other places, is completely irrelevant to whether it was appropriate for "anonymous" to reveal the names of Bologna's family members. Those people did nothing to no one which you keep conveniently ignoring. You still have yet to offer one rational reason that justifies that type of assholery. How would you like it if one of your family members did something "anonymous" didn't approve and they painted a target on your back? Are you going to honestly tell me you'd still think that was a great idea? You do realize that people in these types of situations routinely get death threats and are harassed in ways you can't even begin to imagine, yes?

And no, "anonymous" is NOT another cop. Anonymous is a hacker group.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/27/occupy-wall-street-anthony-bologna

Also it's already been explained why the names of people arrested are always public information and always should be public information. Do yourself a favor and look for the other excellent posts on that subject.

[sabrina 1]

231. Anonymous did not reveal the names of family members.

They revealed HIS name, but not the names of family members. The reports on that have been corrected.

I do NOT agree that people's names should be revealed just because they have been arrested, never have. There is NO excuse for treating civilians differently than cops. If civilians names are released, they are subject to death threats also, as well as THEIR family members.

I have received death threats from the far right simply for saying I did not like George Bush. That is the atmosphere in this country these days. But you are wrong to say that Anomymous revealed the names of family members, they did not. They made a statement about that already.

As for the previous case against this officer, under what circumstances should something like this take seven years to resolve? Either he was guilty or he wasn't. If he was NOT a police officer the case would have been over long ago.

The problem people are having is that we are a country that throws someone in jail for smoking a joint, if they happen to be African American, while the serious criminals, war criminals, Wall St. criminals are protected. 'Equality under the law' is meaningless in this country, and finally people have had enough. This officer should be treated fairly. But as long as the names of civilians are released by the police to the news media, with little concern for THEIR safety, then the same rules should apply to everyone. If they do not like it when it happens to them, then change the rules and protect everyone.

[Major Nikon]

238. Sorry, but I gotta call bullshit on that one

I'm NOT going to repost the link to the message. Google is your friend here.

[A Simple Game]

114. Apparently you don't think the rouge cop committed a crime.

I do, and if you do the crime you should be prepared to do the time.

His actions need to be answered, if the authorities won't do it, someone else should.

Not one of your solutions would punish anyone but the taxpayers.

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[frylock]

142. a civil suit was filed against office bologna in 2004..

that suit has yet to reach the court room. perhaps you might understand why people no longer have faith in a system that tradionally protects the officer in these situations.

[ellisonz]

197. wrong.

Alan Levine, a civil rights lawyer representing Post A Posr, a protester at the 2004 event, told the Guardian that he filed an action against Bologna and another officer, Tulio Camejo, in 2007. The case, filed at the New York Southern District Court, is expected to be heard next year.

http://www.alternet.org/story/152540/officer_who_pepper-sprayed_wall_street_protesters_is_named_in_civil_liberties_lawsuit_from_2004_rnc_protests/

It took me less than a minute to find that.

[frylock]

204. my mistake. the action took place in 2004..

but my point stands. here we are nearly 4 years later.....

[ellisonz]

217. The civil courts are notoriously slow.

I've been a civil process server and I can tell you for a case that complex it sounds about right. A simple credit card default in Honolulu averages around 3 years to move through the system if the person hides or doesn't co-operate.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/hawaiinews/20110214_Courts_hit_with_flood_of_debt_lawsuits.html

New taxes.

[Swagman]

50. so publicising a vicous thug is a wrong ?

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[UnrepentantLiberal]

88. They also learn in primary school that if you let the bully pic on you

he'll keep picking on you until you punch him in the face.

[Dogtown]

139. And adults know

that platitudes are for children.

[Major Hogwash]

15. Who is Tony Bologna?

Sounds fictitious to me.

[markpkessinger]

17. No, it's the officer who maced the young women

Officer Anthony Bologna -- his identity was confirmed by the NYPD. (Bologna is not an uncommon Italian name, btw).

[FreeBillClinton]

18. Actually it's kind of important to make public the names of arrested people

Consider the alternative: clandestine arrests and people held on unknown charges... a police state, literally.

[Whiskeytide]

73. You have to stop coming to these...

... threads with a brain. It disrupts the flow.

[dixiegrrrrl]

83. LOL!

:rofl:

[Whiskeytide]

103. Your handle sounds like you might be

an Alabama Democrat - or at least deep South. We're a rare breed.

[dixiegrrrrl]

222. FIRST thing my neighbor said to me when I moved into our house was

" Please tell me you are a Democrat!".
Banker's wife at the time, now widowed.

You KNOW that to even mention political leanings to a "new" person is unusual in the South, so this was a memorable remark.

come elections, I do notice there are only Republican yard signs up. All over my neighborhood.
We don't visit much and those signs told me who was who.

My Obama bumper sticker has not caused any outraged looks, tho. Small town, civil people.

[Whiskeytide]

234. Down here, Dem or Rep is not nearly as important as...

Roll Tide or War Eagle! I find that even the traditional conservatives are kind to me after learning I'm a Dem, as long as I don't root for "the other team". By the way, Bama all the way!

[dixiegrrrrl]

236. LOL!!!! So very true....Football overcomes ALL in the South.

[Pamela Troy]

106. Is it also important to make public the names of their family members?

Why?

[caseymoz]

19. Now be fair. Police must "release" arrest records, because they are public information.

And that was decided in the courts long ago. The reason why they have to release arrest records is simple if you think about it: otherwise they would be making secret arrests. Release the names has long been considered the lesser of two evils.

If you can call what they actually do "releasing" them. For the short time I worked the police beat, I used to walk down to the department and picked up the records. They didn't send them to the paper, and I think if we had bothered to call and "request" them, they would have hung up on us. Now maybe some departments do more than just put them in a hopper in the lobby.

You make a good point that police should take more care in making arrests because it can hurt people's lives, but it's really the press that publishes reports of any and all arrests that do the harm you're describing.

[Jamastiene]

20. K&R

You are absolutely right. They publish the names AND addresses of people they arrested in my local paper. These people have not had trials yet and are innocent until proven guilty. Yet, their names AND addresses are publishing in the paper, on the front page most of the time. What about their rights and safety?

K&R

[Modern_Matthew]

21. It's the least Anonymous could do, to be honest. It would have to be much worse before I object. nt

[swilton]

24. As Lawrence O'donnell

pointed out the NYPD probably won't be doing anything about this anyway (i.e., no discipline). So perhaps this publication will discourage future incidents.

[patrick t. cakes]

124. +1 lets hope it has an effect

[lsewpershad]

25. they need

to think about such consequences before they do their durty work attacking innocent people.

[defendandprotect]

26. Their badge numbers and names are there to be observed for our protection ... and use!!

[Pamela Troy]

107. And the names of their family members?

How are those supposed to be used? Hmmmm?

[Lost-in-FL]

145. Please tell us, I am curious as to what a fundamentalist justice activist, ...

...anti-war, pro-union, pro-LGBT, pro-freedom of speech, anti-death penalty, pro-universal healthcare, pro-gun safety or anti-gun activist could do with that information? :rofl:

[Pamela Troy]

164. I'm not the one who seessome sort of value in releasing the names of this cop's family members.

Are you seriously claiming that nobody who agrees with us politically could ever do something irresponsible or cruel with this info? I've already seen at least one post on DU from someone who thinks that any minor children of that cop should be removed from his custody forthwith. And how about all those other folks who now have access to it, like crooks that cop might have arrested at some point? Trust them, do you?

[Lost-in-FL]

205. It is much more likely that this guys is a wife/child beater than...

seen a progressives trying to harm his family.

I would not trust "anyone" caring for kids that could freely and without any remorse, attack someone minding their own business peacefully.

[Pamela Troy]

209. You have no idea what kind of father he is

and no business simply assuming that he must be abusive.

[Lost-in-FL]

213. Or any idea as to why his info was released to the public.

But if it works to keep the peace, it was a good tactic. At least more humane than the one used against protesters.

[Pamela Troy]

215. It's generally pretty easy to infer why people release the

names and addresses of family members of someone they want to punish. They want to open up, not only the person they dislike, but his family to retaliation.

Disgusting. And cowardly.

[defendandprotect]

232. Their family members names are on their badges ????

That's what I was talking about -- I'm unaware of anything further --

If anyone is trying to persecute their families, that's wrong --

These higher up's in the police department and Bloomberg are responsible --

and if they don't dismiss these officeres then Kelly and Bloomberg should be

voted out --

[Pamela Troy]

244. The issue here is the claim that Anonymous released

the names and addresses of Bologna's family members.

[frylock]

27. for the win

knr

[Hugabear]

28. Come on, everyone loves a good old fashioned perp-walk

See, it's okay when the good guys do it, because they're good guys.

[midnight]

29. Thank you for pointing this out...

[dadzilla]

30. Now to stir the pot...

Generally speaking I think what Anonymous did here is a good thing. Let's be honest, with the police as in every profession there are bad apples. There are the guys and gals who have seen it all and become jaded and burnt out. There are also those who enjoy the power granted them by society at large too much. I don't know if this guy is a good cop on a off day or just a general ass. But what I do know is the police can and will cull the bad apples that bring bad press. To the extent that putting his name in the press bring some heat his way (not to mention a possible lawsuit) it serves a valuable service in keeping borderline police within the lines.

[ellisonz]

43. They also published the names of his children.

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[druidity33]

47. His children are adults. nt.

[ellisonz]

53. So what?

Would you want that sort of treatment something a family member of yours did? I think not.

[druidity33]

77. If my father did that

i would be the first person to stand outside his house with a picket sign to highlight his abuses. I would make sure the media knew i didn't support his actions and i would sure as shit talk about any abuse i might have suffered at his hands. If his adult children support his actions, then they deserve any animosity they may get from the public at large.

I guess you don't know me at all...

:shrug:

[ellisonz]

179. But Anonymous didn't know if they did or not...

...and they published their names and possible addresses too. This is a presumption of guilt.

[justiceischeap]

51. This isn't the first time this particular officer is in trouble for civil rights

violations at protests. He is being sued for his actions at the Republican national convention in NYC. The NYPD is not 'culling' this particular bad apple.

[FourScore]

59. The OP provides a false equivalency.

The police are required by law to release the info of those arrested. No, I DO NOT agree with publishing personal info. Release his name, his badge number, all his pertinent work info -- but personal info should be OFF THE TABLE!!! There are just too many whacko in the world.

Beside, how can we complain when an abortion doctors' personal info is realeased by lifers? I know, I know...abortion is not a crime and what this officer did certainly is...but it is a slippery slope when we start to applaud the public release of personal information.

Don't go there, DU!!!

[ellisonz]

181. They're gone there without even really knowing...

...why they shouldn't go there. :puke:

Don't go there, DU!!!

[dixiegrrrrl]

85. Ever see The Wire?

Shows realistically what happens to higher ranked "bad apples".

Screw up if you a patrol cop, that is one thing.

Abuse power if you are a long timer with rank, different story.

[alp227]

31. no one needs to know who his wife/kids are though n/t

[HDPaulG]

32. Why not?

He is a "Public Servant"? To Serve and Protect...Wall Street? Goes with with wearing the 'big shoes'. Always under scrutiny. And never 'above the law'!

[alp227]

34. not enough of a compelling reason n/t

[Pamela Troy]

37. Because the nature of his "public service" often involves

arresting and incurring the ire of criminals -- criminals who might very well target a cop's family.

[EFerrari]

40. You are more solicitous of his family than he is.

This isn't even the first time he's been caught brutalizing peaceful protesters.

New rules. You assault unarmed women in public, you can forget about your privacy.

[ellisonz]

45. This is the United States of America.

We do not make up "new rules" as we go along. We stand for law and order, justice for all, and equality before the courts and public authorities.

[The Magistrate]

46. Where People Have Freedom To Assemble And Petition For Redress, Sir, Without Attack By Police

This fellow thinks he lives in the Soviet Union or East Berlin....

[RoccoR5955]

66. More like the Police States of America...

where the police don't have to obey the law, because they ARE the law!

[TomClash]

125. Spot on

Exactly right.

[valerief]

55. Bwah!!! Where've you been since the coup d'etat? nt

[EFerrari]

116. LOL. That's right, this isn't the old Soviet Union

and I can't violate the law or the Constitution with a thought crime. Not yet, anyway.

[Shandris]

123. Nice platitude.

In reality, you MUST know that that is complete horseshit though.

[jberryhill]

154. Yes, well, Bologna agrees with you

People do things like that when they believe their opinions of right and wrong trump the law.

You can't say, "We obviously have no Constitutional rights anymore" and expect others not to act in accordance with your professed belief.

[ellisonz]

177. So we're no better than the Soviet Union?

I suggest you find a Russian or a Pole and ask them about life under Soviet rule. Yes, there are abuses, but at least their are means to seek redress. You don't have that in Gaddafi's Libya or Cuba or Venezuela.

[frylock]

135. we stand for law and order, justice for all..

justice for all? really?!! bwahahahahaha!!!!!

:rofl:

[ellisonz]

191. Have you ever been a victim of police corruption?

Your attitude conveys a complete lack of understanding of the difference between here and say Mexico.

I hope you never do because it's not fun but it's better than having no hope of redress at all.

[frylock]

237. corruption? no. harrassment? yes..

not entirely sure i understand where you're going with this. i just have to laugh at your proclamation that "we stand for law and order, justice for all." only the proles are held to obey the law, and clearly justice is not for all. look at troy davis, for example.

[Pamela Troy]

100. And you know all about his family life because...?

[EFerrari]

115. of his public behavior. When you make a habit of assaulting people

in broad daylight you are going to accumulate enemies.

[Pamela Troy]

120. Many of whom would be happy to target his family.

And you'd like to help them do that.

[EFerrari]

143. New video of a second attack by the same cop on the same day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giJPnzr37bU

This guy doesn't act like a family man, does he?

[Pamela Troy]

159. You don't think family men are capable of mob violence?

You don't know much about mob violence, do you.

[ellisonz]

186. She must have missed the London riots...

O8)

[Pamela Troy]

188. She also plainly knows nothing about the lynching epidemic in this country.

Lots of family men were involved in that.

[ellisonz]

193. She's a Gaddafi supporter...

...that takes a pretty great indifference to the facts to maintain the argument.

[Marengo]

48. Are they public servants as well?

N/T

[Fire Walk With Me]

35. It just made RT news:

https://www.rt.com/usa/news/nypd-bologna-officer-anonymous-521/

[Enthusiast]

41. Kicked and recommended! nt

[ellisonz]

42. This is very misguided.

No one is objecting to the releasing of the officers name. It's the names of family members - it's meant to provoke retaliation against individuals who had nothing to do with Officer Bologna's actions (which I unequivocally denounce). Police departments around the country do that not necessarily to cause embarrassment but because they are legally obligated to acknowledge that they hold someone prisoner. Think of the victims of domestic abuse - don't you think they would like to no if their abuser was arrested? It's legal, it's for the general good of the public, and I myself have personally found the fact that this information is available to be useful in my own life.

The very premise of the right to know the arrested is the foundation of criminal law:

The U.S. Congress grants federal district courts, the Supreme Court, and all Article III federal judges, acting in their own right, jurisdiction under 28 U.S.C. § 2241<7> to issue writs of habeas corpus to release prisoners held by any government entity within the country from custody, subject to certain limitations, if the prisoner –

Is in custody under or by color of the authority of the United States or is committed for trial before some court thereof; or
Is in custody for an act done or omitted in pursuance of an Act of Congress, or an order, process, judgment or decree court or judge of the United States; or
Is in custody in violation of the Constitution or laws or treaties of the United States; or
Being a citizen of a foreign state and domiciled therein is in custody for an act done or omitted under any alleged right, title, authority, privilege, protection, or exemption claimed under the commission, order or sanction of any foreign state, or under color thereof, the validity and effect of which depend upon the law of nations; or
It is necessary to bring said persons into court to testify or for trial.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus_in_the_United_States

I don't like a lot of what the police do I but I thought we were supposed to be better than that.

What's next publishing the where a police officer sends his children to school?

This is deeply wrong. How quickly we seem to forget Guantanamo and the CIA Black Sites when it suits our political convenience? What if we had no right to know who was being held and no legal basis for contesting detention? Look at some of the arrest videos from Occupy Wall Street - the first thing many of those do upon being informed they are being arrested is announce their name, where they are from, and their date of birth.

From the National Lawyer's Guild Legal Observor Manual - yes the guys in the green hats:

If People Are Arrested

At the site of arrest you should ask the police where arrested people are being taken. If
directed to do so by the Legal Observer Coordinator or local Law Collective, go to the
appropriate precinct and talk to the desk Sergeant, ask about charges and when protestors
will be released, advocating for their earliest release.

Legal Observers witnessing arrests should get the arrestee’s name and as many names
and phone numbers as fast as possible from surrounding witnesses. Deal with addresses
and statements at a later time if need be. Encourage the arrestee and friends to shout out
the arrestee’s name or affinity alias if the group has decided to practice legal solidarity.

This is very important as law enforcement has sometimes denied access to arrested
activists if we cannot provide a name.

Ask to talk to the arrested protestors in the van and/or at the police station and tell them
not to say anything except “I want to talk to a lawyer,” and explain that the team lawyers
can answer detailed questions later. Make sure the legal team, or attorneys on call, or
legal aid, or someone, knows about the arrests. (p. 6-7)

http://www.nlg.org/resources/legal-observing/

KNOW YOUR RIGHTS!!!

[jberryhill]

57. His family members are better targets, because they are less likely to be armed

Why take risks?

Now, The Magistrate is one of the most highly respected members of the DU community, and he is calling for these people to be punished, and has deemed the sow and spawn to be "mere tools" for the purpose of retribution.

You are clearly way out of line here.

[rainlillie]

69. ITA!

[ellisonz]

183. Are you trying to bully me?

You know why you're resorting to this tactic because you can't address the argument I and others are making about the dangers of mob rule and the presumption of guilt of associated family members who were not there that day and are not Officer Bologna's colleagues.

C'mon is that really the best you've got?

I declare victory. :nopity:

[rainlillie]

74. Excellent post!

[ellisonz]

195. Thank you.

Veteran protestors know why this is important.

[emald]

54. damn straight. This thug is a criminal and should be in prison.

His whole family should be ashamed, and shunned. What a monster. Bet his wife lives in fear.

[bertman]

56. Release his personal info minus the family's info and you've done the right thing.

This guy got what he deserved in being thrust into the toxic spotlight, but his family did not deserve that.

That said, it might serve as a deterrent to future vigilante cops.

REC.

[tea and oranges]

75. Agree w/ Bertman

Another point: What is there to make us believe that his wife and children haven't been abused by this man who can casually pepper spray law abiding protesters?

We can not and should not become what we despise, for then we are lost.

[EmeraldCityGrl]

58. MSM is guilty of the same tactics...

A news story releases the name of the accused, the next thing you see are reporters and cameras in the accused
yard and reporters knocking on the doors. The MSM, police and prosecutors work hand in hand.

The only exception to this is when a cop is accused of abusing a citizen. They remain anonymous and you rarely
hear anything more about the incident. Just doesn't seem fair to me.

[rainlillie]

61. You have to realize that there is a huge difference between

a police officer and a civilian. How are you going to feel if someone upset about the mace incident, or someone that he arrested in the past, uses that info to harm him or his family? The women should file a civil suit against the police department and the officer. Everyone else should stop using this incident to bash all police officers and rile up the angry mob. As in any occupation there are good and bad people. People here need to realize that their post are not only being read by people who belong to this site, but also by right-wing lurkers. So whatever vile things are posted here, are going to reflect the owners of the site. We have to be a step ahead and better than the "let him die crowd."

[RoccoR5955]

65. So are you saying that a police officer is better than a citizen?

And therefore should have more rights? Sorry, I don't buy it.

[rainlillie]

68. Nope, I'm saying that a police officer's

life will more than likely be in danger , due to the type of work he does if his personal info is released. Will you be okay if some nutjob guns him or a family member down? The best course of action is for the women to file a civil suit against him and the department.

[RoccoR5955]

81. So you ARE saying that a police officer is more of a citizen

because if you or I were arrested, our personals would be a matter of public record. Therefore, by not releasing a cop's info, (s)he has more rights, because of an added risk that a police officer knows about before entering the profession. Yes, the woman should file a civil suit, but also a criminal suit for assault, afaic.

Because of the fact that police, and others who seek other hazardous occupations, should have the good sense to know what hazards await them, I cannot have any pity for them, nor can I say that they should be treated any differently from anyone else. Be that as it is, when a cop is shot, I don't think it's a big deal, as the cop knew that this could happen, and does happen. However, when a non-police person gets shot, I often wonder why the police were not there, doing their job. I guess it's just a matter of perception.

[rainlillie]

133. So you are saying that it's okay for anti-choice people to post the info of doctors who provide

abortions, because after all, the doctors knew the risks.
If the officer was arrested, his name would be released. Ultimately, what is the benefit of releasing the officer's information, if he wasn't brought up on charges?
If the people who were sprayed want to pursue this legally and file a civil suit, I would encourage it and if the officer is found guilty, it will send a more significant message to not only the defendant, but also any cop in any city or state. And, it will have been accomplished in an orderly, sane, civilized, non-violent manner that could not be used as political ammunition against Democrats. With all due respect, the kind of mob mentality brewing on this site is pathetic and it makes everyone perpetuating it no better than the extremists who cheer the prospect of letting an individual die who has no insurance. It's just a matter of time before the Fox News crowd turns it around and drags "Democrats" through the mud after viewing this type of thread. I like the site, but the tone and rhetoric is off the chart. Everyone on this site should think long and hard about conveying the image this type of vitriol creates.

[RoccoR5955]

144. No, you misunderstand.

Because a police officer is a Public Servant, he forgoes a lot of things that others can keep private. I should know, I am one myself. Not to mention that even if Anonymous did not let out the info, it would take all of ten minutes on any one of a number of websites (google "how to find someone online"). Police officers too often believe that they are above the law, because they ARE the law. Again, I work with many of them, just north of NYC, so I can state this from experience. I honestly do not see what is violent about releasing public information about the officer. Fox News, and the teabaggers will do whatever they will, no matter what we on the Left do. I never said that we should mace cops. I never called for any violence to come to his family. I do not know where you are getting that from, but directing it towards me, is not constructive. You do know that the "tone and rhetoric" here often ebb and flow, like the tides. So if the tide is too high for you, perhaps you should move to higher ground. Me, I'm in for the duration. I have been fighting for peace, justice, human rights, and the environment for about 45 years now, I'm not stopping any time soon, and I'll stick around here.

[rainlillie]

160. This is why I'm an independent..

because there seems to be extremists on both sides.

This thread has been an eyeopener. This will definitely be my last post on this site, because I don't want to associate myself with people who use dog-whistle tactics. There is a meanness that I'm not comfortable with.

We can go round and round about this, but we all know the purpose and possible outcome of releasing this officer's information. The people who release info on abortion doctors are wrong, but just like the people advocating releasing this officer's info, they too feel their cause is just and right. Lastly, I hope the real victims here, the young women, will file a civil case for their pain and suffering.

[frylock]

146. analogy fail..

perhaps when doctors start arbitrarily performing abortions on unsuspecting and defenseless women we can make that comparison.

[jberryhill]

153. It's all a matter of perspective, no?

You know what an anti-choicer would say in response to your sentence there.

[frylock]

156. at this point i just don't fucking care..

the flaws in your analogy have been pointed out to you throughout this episode. there's nothing more that i have to say to you. good day.

[jberryhill]

158. Buh bye, then

Having realized that the anti-choicer would indeed say the exact same thing about an "innocent party being attacked", I see you have no substantive response.

[rainlillie]

172. One last thing,, you do realize that anti-choice folks believe

That the fetus is innocent and is being attacked.. killed.. whatever. Therefore they feel justified in posting the doctors info. Just like people here feel justified in releasing the officer's info. Both sides are wrong and can't give a good reason as to why this info should be put out there.

[frylock]

206. you've received several substantive responses..

you refuse to be satisfied with any of them. i guess i'll feel differently when progressives start attacking people in a violent fashion. until then, your comaprison between liberals seeking actual justice and batshit crazy religous zealots is a way off base.

[KansDem]

70. Cops like him need to be held accountable

And I have very little confidence in the NYPD, or any police department, holding it's cops accountable...

Like Rodney King's incident, if this wasn't captured on video, we would have never heard about it...

[rainlillie]

72. That's why we have lawyers, courts and a justice system.

Civil court is the way to go.

[druidity33]

78. He is already being sued...

for civil rights violations from an incident in 2004 during the Rep National Convention. Yes that's 7 years and running and the accusers still haven't seen their day in court. I wonder how much it will cost the protesters to pay legal fees for 7 years or so. I'm sure any settlement rendered would make Bologna have to resign or apologize, don't you?

:eyes:

[ellisonz]

198. Yes - and it goes to court next year.

Alan Levine, a civil rights lawyer representing Post A Posr, a protester at the 2004 event, told the Guardian that he filed an action against Bologna and another officer, Tulio Camejo, in 2007. The case, filed at the New York Southern District Court, is expected to be heard next year.

http://www.alternet.org/story/152540/officer_who_pepper-sprayed_wall_street_protesters_is_named_in_civil_liberties_lawsuit_from_2004_rnc_protests/

Wasn't filed until 2007.

I know for a fact the civil courts in Honolulu are extremely backed up. I imagine New York's are too.

[efhmc]

71. What they do is illegal and I wonder why it is not challenged.

[RoccoR5955]

82. It's not challenged because we live in the Police States of America,

where the police do not have to follow the law, because they ARE the law!

[Uncle Joe]

84. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, markpkessinger.

[iamthebandfanman]

91. id say the only thing id have a problem with

is the family members names.

i mean, what did they have to do with anything?

[Lost-in-FL]

96. Nothing... But desperate times call for desperate measures...

given that this cop is a serial abuser and is still allowed to walk around the streets of NYC without being given at least a slap in the wrist.

[Pamela Troy]

98. So naturally the thing to do is publicize the names

and addresses of his family members, so people can...

So people can what, exactly? I'd really like to know.

[Lost-in-FL]

101. I do not know what that person had in mind.

My guess is that it was his way to retaliate. I wouldn't have done it... But what is done is done. My hope is that since NYC Internal affairs has done nothing to address his prior record that this incident can at least make him think twice about what to do next or get some professional help.

[Pamela Troy]

102. What's done deserves to be condemned when it's

irresponsible and immoral. That applies both to the macing of those unoffending women AND to the publication of the names of the cop's unoffending family.

Anonymous gives me the creeps. From what I've seen, you or I could as easily find our own personal information publicized if they decided we-- or even one of our relatives -- deserved it.

[Lost-in-FL]

127. I am afraid that is already happening.

Our personal information has been used for years to make a profit and if needed, our information can be retrieved by anyone with knowledge or even unintentionally. Lawyers, police, public officials, bored kids can retrieve this type of information. Also, people volunteer their private information on FB and my bet is that part of his family have accounts for that service. My question is though, who is suggesting that the purpose of this release of information will be used against his family? The media? Those overdramatizing this? I am going to stick with the last one, since overdramatizing is unfortunately the progressive's aquilles tendon.

My concern really, is not about the release of information on family members or children. My most pressing concern is the lack of cohesion in the progressive community that is shown in situations like this one. That somehow us progressives are our worse enemies. How could anyone equate "the macing of unarmed women during a peaceful demonstration or the beating of our youth" to "releasing someone's address or information that is so easily available"? Seriously. Don't you think that is a bit of a preposterous comparison? Maybe this only shows how "unimportant" is this cause for the so called progressives. This attitude by some in our community is irresponsible and at some level immoral.

Can someone please correct me. Why should I believe that the non-violent action of a person with a computer could be named "immoral" when compared to the action of a serial-sadist with a badge?

It is so frustrating when someone seeking justice for themselves, for the poor, minorities, workers, etc. are being let down and criticized so forcefully by us for something that is borderline trivial when compared to the actions of those "within the law". That there are other peaceful ways I am sure. However, this condemnation… this blatant, shameless slap in the face to our own community is unforgivable, very difficult to reconcile.


Go ahead people… make my day… flame away!! :argh:

[Pamela Troy]

131. The fact that releasing the name of the cops family

is not equivalent to his macing demonstrators does not make it okay.

Tell me -- what is the point of releasing that information? What is it that Anonymous hopes people will do with it. One person here has already gone all coy and refused to answer.

Why do you think that is?

[Lost-in-FL]

140. That is for the person who released the info to answer, not us.

Apparently, the only person here that knows (or cares) what to do with the info is you. Also the only person comparing that release of info to the abuse committed against unarmed peaceful protesters.

[Pamela Troy]

167. It's foranyone who's cheering on the release of that information to answer.

My, my, how the excuses for not answering are beginning to pile up. Come on, guys. You were cheering on the release of that information earlier. Why not go whole hog and explain to the rest of us why it was so important to you?

[Lost-in-FL]

200. Well then... I would not fall in that category as I am not "cheering"

anyone.

However, I am satisfied by the response. I find absolutely nothing wrong with it if that means keeping police from trying to infringe on people's freedom to protest.

[Pamela Troy]

202. So maybe then you'll be willing to answer the question.

What is the reason for releasing those names? What are people expected to do with the names and addresses of this man's relatives?

[Lost-in-FL]

207. I already answered your question, stop playing dumb and embarrasing yourself. nt

[Pamela Troy]

212. No you didn't. You just offered an excuse for not answering.

[Lost-in-FL]

216. May I ask... why would I know that? nt

[Pamela Troy]

218. Presumably you understand your own reasons for supporting

the release of not only the officer's name, but the names and addresses of his various family members.

Most rational adults can easily infer the intent of that kind of malicious outing.

[Lost-in-FL]

223. It is hard to say. I usually don't cheer police brutality or at least justify it like u do.

But then, I am not malicious enough to even consider something as trivial as releasing public information.

[Pamela Troy]

224. Where have I either cheered or justified police brutality?

[EFerrari]

118. Is it really that difficult for you to figure out?

To challenge his impunity. which he has up to now enjoyed unfettered. Did you watch the video of him macing those women? I hope the cop in your life hasn't slid that far down the toilet because they rarely if ever make the return trip.

[Pamela Troy]

119. And do tell -- how does publishing the names of his family "challenge his impunity."

Do go into detail about this.

If you have the guts.

[EFerrari]

147. It's very simple. It's a clear message to this violent abusive asshole

that the community has withdrawn their respect for him.

And that's all he has to do his job with. When you lose that, it's over.

So whatever sick fantasy you are entertaining is 100% unnecessary. For a cop to operate out in public, he has to have the cooperation of the community. Once he pisses that away, he might as well apply at the nearest mall.

[Pamela Troy]

161. And how does publishing the names of his family do this?

[Lost-in-FL]

219. Would you suggest macing the cop then?

I mean... when you find nothing wrong with someone that is supposed to protect people and represent justice mace a group of people just because it looks fun, I am sure you would be ok with that.

[Pamela Troy]

221. No. Where have I said that there was "nothing wrong" with

what the cop did.

Are you honestly unable to grasp the fact that I can hate and denounce what he did AND hate and denounce someone targeting his family?

[Lost-in-FL]

225. Because I have not seen ANY defense for those abused...

coming from you but go out of your way to give motives as to why not to release trivial public info.

[Pamela Troy]

226. That's because the subject of this thread and its OP is the release of

the officer's personal information. I've written about the macing elsewhere and made my position plain.

If someone were to release the names and addresses of my relatives in that manner, I would NOT consider it trivial. Nor, would most people.

[OVERPAID01]

94. Does anyone remember Rodney King?

I am not surprised by the attack on the civil and unarmed protesters. I am very surprised that the video was made and released. The government seems to think the best way to correct these "problems involving the police" is to make it illegal to film them. There is a great link (doubt if it will be up long) from MSNBC on this story, more of an editorial. The police everywhere have an us vs. them mentality, we are all bugs to be squashed for the benefit of the United Corporations of America.

[kestrel91316]

95. One might also note that information about people's family members' names

is readily available on the internet with just a click of the mouse. It's PUBLIC information.

No snooping or hacking or violation of privacy is involved.

[Pamela Troy]

97. Ah yes, I remember hearing the same thing from Freepers

attempting to justify their harassment of the manager who turned Jenna Bush in for underage drinking. Hey, they said, her name, address, marital status, phone number were available publicly if you did a little digging, as were pictures of her kid!

What was the harm in posting them?

Right?

[kestrel91316]

230. Difference: Tony Baloney is a public servant who committed assault on camera.

I gather you SUPPORT his having done so.

[Pamela Troy]

235. You "gather" wrong.

Do explain how the fact that Bologna is a public servant makes it okay to go after his family.

[pam4water]

109. K&R

[Lucian]

113. Totally agree and wholeheartedly K&R!

[Pamela Troy]

121. So how do you suggest everyone use this information

about the officer's family?

[Lucian]

128. I'm not falling for this.

[Pamela Troy]

129. In other words, you'd rather not say.

How courageous.

[Lucian]

130. No...

your baiting others into an argument that I don't care to get into.

[Pamela Troy]

132. So why not explain? Why not elaborate on why

releasing the names of this man's family was a good thing?

You won't, of course, because if you do, the sheer nastiness and immorality of this tactic would become just a bit too obvious.

I revile this practice when I see it done by right wing websites. I see no reason not to revile it when it's done in the name of the left.

[rainlillie]

137. Well said!

[EFerrari]

149. Your question has already been answered.

That you don't like the answer is entirely your problem and not anyone else's.

[LoZoccolo]

150. No it wasn't.

your baiting others into an argument that I don't care to get into.

The answer is explicitly avoided here as something that they "don't care to get into".

You could technically say it was answered, but with an affirmation that the requested information will not be provided.

[Pamela Troy]

155. Your "answer" was that you didn't want to answer.

Which leaves us to infer the worst.

[EFerrari]

148. She still doesn't get it.

Nobody has to do anything with that information. That it was released at all shows a complete breakdown of trust between the cop and the people he's supposed to protect. He's already lost.

[Pamela Troy]

157. No I don't get it. Why release the information if nobody is supposed

to do anything with it?

[rainlillie]

162. We all know what the point and purpose is..

Pretty scary to say the least.

[Lucian]

163. So why release personal info about those who get arrested then?

Gah. :banghead:

[Pamela Troy]

165. Does that personal information include the names and addresses of family members?

[Lucian]

166. Don't know, don't care.

You either hate all of it or none of it.

There's no middle ground on this issue.

[Pamela Troy]

169. Either with you or against you eh? Hmmmm. Where have I heard that before...?

Funny how you suddenly don't care about an argument you were presenting earlier. You cite the release of personal information on people who were arrested as a defense of releasing the names of this man's family. When it's pointed out that the argument won't fly, you suddenly don't care about it anymore.

Do you care about the truth?

[Lucian]

176. You didn't answer my question.

Why is it okay for those who get arrested to have their personal info posted on the web but not ok for cops?

I don't care if his family's name was online. That's what I don't care about.

[Pamela Troy]

180. Because the released personal info of arrested people does not

typically include the names and addresses of family members of the person arrested.

I know you don't care that the names and addresses of his family members were released.

That's the problem.

[Lucian]

182. Personal info is still personal info.

And if you would've read some of the comments above, it's easy to get his personal info online, without hacking or illegal activities. So your argument is pretty moot to begin with.

[Pamela Troy]

187. No, the argument is not "moot" and if it had been a bunch of

Freepers releasing the names and addresses of someone's family, many of the same people here defending what Anonymous did would be up in arms about it.

The fact that, with some digging online, someone could find out where I work, what time I get off, and the route I take home from work, along with a physical description of me would not make it okay for them to post that information.

[Lucian]

190. You still didn't answer my question.

I'm done. Enough time wasted for one day.

[Pamela Troy]

192. I did. I said it was okay because they don't also release the names

and addresses of the arrested person's family members.

What's unclear about this?

[Lucian]

196. Personal info is still personal info.

You're either against exposing all personal info online or you're for it. There is no "Oh, but it's okay in this situation and not in that."

You don't get it.

[Pamela Troy]

199. Yes, it's okay to release certain personal information and not other

personal information.

Does the fact that my given name in used in some of my online publications mean that it's okay for you to publish any and all information about me, including my home phone number, place of birth, my physical description, my parents' address, my medical history, a mapquest of my route to and from worth, etc, etc?

[Lucian]

201. Argument fail.

[Pamela Troy]

203. That's the best you can do?

Again --does the fact that I sometimes post under my given name make it okay for you to dig up all the personal information about me you can scavenge online (like the addresses of my relatives) and post them?

[rainlillie]

175. Was this officer arrested?

[patrick t. cakes]

126. keep it up anon nt

[uppityperson]

151. would like to change rec to unrec. Leave his kids out of it.

I don't care if " police fairly regularly release such information about persons they have arrested, before those persons have even had benefit of a trial" or not. I object to them doing that AND to posting personal info about his kids and family.

[Fire Walk With Me]

168. Check for a new thread entitled "DUer EFerrari shared: Tony Baloney did it AGAIN!"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2018994

[Pamela Troy]

170. And that makes it okay to go after the guy's family because....?

[uppityperson]

171. I saw it. Tony is an asshole but leave his kids and private info out of it

Simply because he would do something is no reason for moral people to.

[Fire Walk With Me]

173. Okay, I'm not certain what I think of them outing his adult offspring but he is

unquestionably over the line in this matter.

[LadyHawkAZ]

178. That doesn't make either one right.

I'm all for the release of the man's name and department info, since he is a public servant caught on video committing a crime in uniform. That's information we have a right to. His family did not commit the crime nor are they public servants (that I know of anyway), and they should have been kept out of the story.

[Taverner]

185. Yep.

Dead on

[TBF]

239. I agree - all of a sudden nobody is concerned about victim's right s -

they're all concerned about poor Tony Bologna.

[stevenleser]

240. Took me a while of sifting through my feelings on this, but I have decided I do not object

to what anonymous did here.

[Dawson Leery]

241. True.

Police and their "unions" are against the rights of the citizen. They have no respect for the Constitution or the history behind it.