The One Chart That Shows Why Gay Folks WILL Have Equal Rights In The Future

[Playinghardball]

Source: MoveOn.org

[MineralMan]

1. How do they define "General Public?"

They give ages for millenials and seniors, but don't define the "General Public" group. That's very important. Is it all adults except millenials and seniors or an aggregate of the entire population? If it is all adults, where's the bar for the 30-65 age group? I hate sloppy statistics.

Finally, where's the link, so I can go access the survey information? I don't trust surveys by organizations with "Religious" in their name without looking at the structure of the survey.

[jberryhill]

11. Given that "seniors" and "millenials" bracket it each time....

I would suspect that GP is inclusive of all adults.

[MineralMan]

12. It might, but that should be stated.

Sorry, but I'm suspicious of all stats from groups with a religious basis.

[jberryhill]

18. In the graphic?

It cites the study:

http://publicreligion.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/PRRI-Report-on-Millennials-Religion-Gay-and-Lesbian-Issues-Survey.pdf

[MineralMan]

19. Thanks for the link. nt

[jberryhill]

21. Aside from listing the qualifications of the authors, and methodology

It was funded by the Arcus Foundation:

http://www.arcusfoundation.org/

"Arcus works to advance LGBT equality, as well as to protect and preserve the great apes."

Their founder:

http://www.arcusfoundation.org/socialjustice/about_us/our_founder/

is a recipient of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force's Creating Change Award.

"Religious basis?"

[MineralMan]

22. There was no link in the OP.

The chart lists the source as: The Public Religion Research Institute.

I didn't have time this morning to go hunt down the website, which is why I asked for a link. I was commenting based on the information at hand.

[pnwmom]

2. Absolutely. For most young people, this is a non-issue, thanks in large part,

I believe, to television. One thing the media has done right.

[Initech]

9. I'm 31. For me it's definitely a non issue.

But I have a few people who I associate with my age or younger that are very religious and it's definitely an issue for them. I think as a country though we need to stop making this an issue in every election ever.

[HappyMe]

3. I'm 53. I support gay rights.

According to the graphs - I don't exist.

What gives?

[MineralMan]

6. I'm 66, and so do I.

The stats in this chart are questionable.

[MADem]

15. I concur. I know a lot of old ladies with gay grandkids.

The kids are wonderful to their grannies, and they VISIT.

The grannies I know are on the equality bandwagon. Of course, they're in assisted living apartments, so they don't get polled much.

[MineralMan]

17. Very true. And then there are all the families who have GLBT

couples and relatives they love. My wife's extended family is one of those. Despite a lot of them being Republicans, they're all in favor of marriage equality now, young and old alike.

[yardwork]

27. There's a lot of different things at work. It used to be that families threw out their gay children.

People don't do that as much anymore, but it used to be very common.

[Freddie Stubbs]

16. What graphs are you looking at?

Which ones show that zero percent of the general population supports gay rights?

[HappyMe]

20. They had it broken down by age.

18-29 and 65+


I was looking for my age group.


So general pop. is 29 - 64. I just thought it was a bit odd that it is broken down by age only partially. But, what do I know.

[justiceischeap]

4. I don't understand the difference (albeit small) between allowing us to legally marry

and allowing us to adopt children. It's weird there is less support for marriage than adoption.

[HappyMe]

8. Maybe because there are still people

who believe that a gay couple raising a child can make the child gay?
Or that the family unit must consist of mom/dad/kid - no exception? Which is laughable given the divorce rate.

[justiceischeap]

13. There's actually more support for gay adoption than marriage

That was the point I was attempting to make. I'm shocked more people would support adoption than marriage.

[HappyMe]

14. Oh, duh!

Cold meds are kicking in. :silly:

[yardwork]

28. It's hard to find anything rational in bigotry. Prejudiced people are easily confused.

Also, there's still a bizarre misconception out there that allowing gay people to get married will force the local Baptist Church to marry Adam and Steve.

[SidDithers]

5. K&R..nt

Sid

[yardwork]

7. There's a problem, though. State constitutional amendments are difficult to repeal.

In 30 states (and North Carolina may be one more in May), states have amended their constitutions to deny gay people the right to marry, the right to adopt, and in many cases the right to enter into civil contracts or domestic partnerships.

Once something is written into a constitution it is very difficult to get it back out. Repeal varies by state, but usually requires that a super-majority of state legislators vote to repeal the amendment, and then the public have to vote to repeal it. Even though the "general public" may become gradually more accepting of equal rights for gay people, that doesn't mean that their state legislators will be willing to be politically courageous and actually go to all the effort required to take up and vote on repeal. In North Carolina, for example, the state legislature is dominated by old white men who are incredibly reactionary in their views - and those are the Democrats! The Republicans are even more reactionary. They don't reflect the average North Carolinian, but they still have all the power, and will for a long time.

And every step of the way the very well-funded anti-gay bigot brigade will be spending millions on TV and radio ads shrieking that all gay people are child molesters and that giving us rights will force teachers to give demonstrations of gay sex (whatever that means) to kindergartners.

I have a lot of faith and hope in the young people in this country, but they are inheriting one hell of a mess.

[Hosnon]

10. SCOTUS can take care of each of those state constitutional amendments in one step. nt.

[MineralMan]

23. And they should. Another reason to maintain and increase control

over the executive and legislative branches. I have little confidence in the current SCOTUS on these matters.

[yardwork]

25. I agree on both counts.

[eppur_se_muova]

24. As a cab driver told me, "We just gotta wait for the older generation to die off".

This was in regard to racism, but it extends to just all bigotry.

[yardwork]

26. If that is true in general, how do we explain w?

The U.S. has moved hard to the right throughout my lifetime.

[dembotoz]

29. or another way to look at it--keep taking away everyone elses rights

and eventually we will be all the same

with no rights.


only rights for those with money.