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PotatoChip Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 08:40 PM
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I fear Anonymous
Yes, they have, and are currently doing some very good things for liberal causes. That, I appreciate. Big time.

But hypothetically, what if some type of behind-the-scenes coup were to happen? And what if they were comprised of christian fundamentalists, neo-conservatives, rovian-freedom-work type bots, ect?

Or another scenario could be them doing their own type of Anonymous thing.

I'm an older member of Gen X, thus my already limited computer knowledge became trial and error after my (now adult) child left for college and beyond. I admittedly understand little about how Anonymous functions and how exactly they reek their havoc.

But I clearly recognize their power. And in the wrong hands, I shudder to think of what could happen.
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 08:44 PM
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1. Anonymous
Is anonymous. It doesn't have clear affiliates. You shouldn't fear them anymore than you fear driving your car and another car hits you in an automobile accident.

Unless you cause a train wreck that kills a bunch of innocent people. Then? I'd worry.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 08:56 AM
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40. An anonymous "organization"
is not a comfort.

Faceless...nameless...

There is no accountability whatsoever.

It's bad enough that people who are NOT anonymous...who have known identities...are out there doing things that may not always be legal. Or moral.

When people don't have to account to anyone for anything, there is no telling what sorts of things they could end up doing. No telling what sort of power they might convince themselves they have.

Anonymous is not always a good thing.

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waddirum Donating Member (106 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 10:53 AM
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49. it may not be a comfort or a good thing...
... but it just IS. We are in a new reality where documents and personal information will be leaked by all sides.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 08:47 PM
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2. I am glad that they are the 'good guys'. Someone else may
do it, the potential has always been there, so isn't it better that for once, it was done by those who are on the 'good side'? I don't fear them. I just hope they don't get caught.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 08:55 PM
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5. reality... they were not the "good guy" to some totally innocent people that had names netted
for all to see.

it may have been something for the democratic cause but just another hypocrisy for us dems.

the woman that got sprayed by the cops were innocent. the family members that had their name put up by this org were innocent.

it shows a lack of moral compass with ability to abuse

regardless of whose side

and it is our job to call them out. thank you for the help, but there are lines to decency and ethics and integrity adn with power, is the ability to recognize

or they have to be shunned
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 09:03 PM
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11. They did not release the names of the family members and made
a statement about it days ago. You must have missed it and are going with the media claims, which as is often the case, were false in this instance. They released the name of the Officer, someone else released whatever other family information was released.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 09:57 PM
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23. i read Anonymous statement first day.... nt
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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 09:13 PM
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I disagree with a lot you say;
Activism does not mean complete agreement with your views. As to a 'moral compass,' Anonymous calls out its 'victims' for public misdeeds. I have not seen any mention that anyone but those who commit atrocities have been targeted and named.

Hypocrisy, you say, is the shame of Democrats in this instance. However, no one has said anywhere that Anonymous has any ultimate political agenda.

I say that most of Anonymous' members are apolitical teen crackers. I say it's about time this potent and highly intelligent, yet mostly politically under informed, segment of the population starts to make its voice heard.
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PotatoChip Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 09:19 PM
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15. Excellent point. But who decides
Edited on Thu Sep-29-11 09:21 PM by PotatoChip
what are misdeeds?

Apparently, 'they' do. Which begs the question who are 'they'???


on edit... spelling
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 09:56 PM
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22. innocent people were named on the net. they had done nothing, only members of cops family. nt
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 11:12 PM
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33. Innocent people get named on the net all day long
Edited on Thu Sep-29-11 11:18 PM by Aerows
If you are on the internet, you are pretty much named. If you have a Facebook account, you might as well forget about privacy.

Those are just facts. There is so much information in the public domain, it's a little bit late to be worrying about closing the barn doors, because the horses have been gone for a very long time.

Bashing anonymous people isn't going to change those facts. In small towns, people knew everyone's business - the internet just so happens to be a pretty small town for anyone with a keyboard. That doesn't necessarily translate into action, it just translates into gossip, just like it has since people have been able to open their mouths and speak.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 11:34 PM
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34. it was a call against the cop. they included the family members and addresses including them in the
Edited on Thu Sep-29-11 11:35 PM by seabeyond
anger. there really is a right and a wrong. that is an easy, .... wrong. anonymous is young, and just starting. why not as a society help them along that there is a line of right and wrong. why make excuses to justify it allowing their behavior to go too far like all the rest of the shit we are fighting.

this cannot be won thru wrong after wrong after wrong, and who can be the most wrong, wins.

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PotatoChip Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 08:59 PM
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That's just what I mean though. What if
they no longer remain 'the good guys'?... For whatever reason, coupe maybe.

There would be no one visibly accountable.
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Katashi_itto Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 08:50 PM
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3. Anon consists of a cadre of creative intellectuals...That eliminates most RWers right there.
Edited on Thu Sep-29-11 08:50 PM by Katashi_itto
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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 09:36 PM
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19. My thoughts, exactly....
I rather imagine RWers as mis-spelling signs, or using bull horns, or paying ridiculous amounts for others to fix their computers or being pre-occupied with Free Republic while jacking off to 24.

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PotatoChip Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 09:54 PM
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21. Ha!!!
Thanks for injecting some humor into this discussion. :hi:



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marasinghe Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 12:28 AM
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38. i believe MrMickeysMom was injecting reality into the OP's conjectures.
the humor was incidental - as is always the case when dealing with right-wingers.
(don't mean to imply the OP is an R-W; just speaking in general.)

:)
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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 09:28 AM
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45. Keeping it real...
...can best be injected with a spoonful of funny...

:P
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 10:45 PM
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30. Since Fox has been busy trying to discredit the young women
who were pepper sprayed, I think we can conclude
Anon is not on the Conservative side of the spectrum.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 10:55 PM
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31. !
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 08:51 PM
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4. the minority of rich and powerful should fear Anonymous
especially if they make their money off the backs of other people. Anonymous is everywhere and anyone.
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bengalherder Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 08:57 PM
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6. Anonymous is mostly harmless.
Edited on Thu Sep-29-11 08:58 PM by bengalherder
Unless you are the church of Scientology, an idiot corporation who screws their clientele, a child molester, or animal abuser.

I've been checking in from time to time over at 'Why We Protest'- the home of Project Chanology, the anti-scientology/ cult arm of anon- for over three years now. Despite a far different austere than a place like DU, for the most part the participants range from relatively liberal to somewhat libertarian and I don't think I've ever seen teabagger or a religious nut postings on the boards there unless they were trolls.

And they know how to throw peaceful protests IRL. They are great fans of 'Ghandi Tech', they dance the TunakTunak (a bollywood dance number) and bring cake to gatherings.

I would be far more scared of the real stealth fundies and dominionists most of whom could never tolerate the openly bawdy, outrageously questioning and sacred-cow slaughtering atmosphere of an anon message board.
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 08:58 PM
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7. It would be hard for them to be worse than what we have now. n/t
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 08:58 PM
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8. Meanwhile, your govenment spies on you and the corporations track you with impunity.
I worry far more about the power of either of them and both of those powers are in the wrong hands.
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catabryna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 08:59 PM
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9. The oldest of the "Gen-x" generation are those born in 1965..
Watch out for us. We are flower children, unless you decide to pick on us or our children.

:hi:
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PotatoChip Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 09:02 PM
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10. Yup
65 too. :hi:
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catabryna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 09:13 PM
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12. I was born in San Francisco...
Edited on Thu Sep-29-11 09:14 PM by catabryna
I spent formative years in San Jose. It was such a wonderfully colorful neighborhood. My friends were Latino, and African American. I moved to Portland, Oregon when Californian's were not wanted. My first friend in Portland was black. It was not acceptable. I moved to Oregon City, where I was also good friends with a black girl and a girl from Vietnam. That was also unacceptable.

I'm disgusted by what I see these days. We have gone nowhere.
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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 09:13 PM
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13. The Rove set are already using "bots" to wreak havoc. The "bots" are Diebold voting machines. Also,

the ego's and narcissism involved in the Fundie movement would never go along with anything "anonymous". Pat Robertson and his ilk are attention whores who crave fame and notoriety to satisfy their "holier than thou" complexes.

The conservatives are authoritarian followers. They require a highly visible leadership who project an image of strength and power and establishment to follow. They work through people like Palin, Limbaugh, and Beck.
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amyrose2712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 09:31 PM
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17. Thank you I was just about to say. It has alreayd been done. Remember 2004 and 2000.nt
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PotatoChip Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 09:38 PM
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20. Yes, you have a good point there
and I hope you are right.
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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 08:25 AM
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39. They depend on demagoguery (sp). The "Tea Party" is "grassroots" on the surface but you see the

struggle amongst the talking heads in the GOP establishment to take on the mantle of the Tea Party as their own.

Breitbart is somewhat like anonymous in that he is using the viral nature of the interwebs to perpetrate his skullduggery, but ultimately he's just another talking head like the rest of them.
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Harmony Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 09:16 PM
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14. Anonymous
Is a collection of intelligent individuals.

What Anon does isn't revolutionary:

I can track down Tony Balogna in less than 20 minutes, and all his relatives with ease. No hacking is required to do this. Why? Because government and corporations are spying and using your information to make money.

Anon actually raises awareness so people can protect themselves from identity theft.

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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 09:28 PM
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16. The bad guys are already in charge
and the truth is just a light to shine on the cockraches
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 09:36 PM
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18. As well you should. But they only exist because real, independent news outlets don't
You should fear the RW corporate MSM that pretends to be "news" much, much, much, much more - because it has been proven to be both bought AND paid for by the very people you cite your concerns about: christian fundamentalists, neo-conservatives, rovian-freedom-work type bots et al.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 10:00 PM
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24. "...what if some type of behind-the-scenes coup were to happen? And what if..."
....you worry too much....
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PotatoChip Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 10:20 PM
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27. LOL! And you are not the first say so.
But I admire your candidness nonetheless. Yes, I worry too much sometimes. Tis true.

:hi:
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 10:16 PM
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25. I fear not having people like anonymous. Nt
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 10:18 PM
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26. All the bad things are being done by the 1%. nt
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TK421 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 10:25 PM
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28. do you really? that is strange
Call me old-fashioned, but I don't fear anything that hides behind a keyboard

shit, anyone that hides behind a keyboard is likely more frightened of shit out in the real world more than I am!

think about it..
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bengalherder Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 11:59 PM
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36. They protest IRL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jptv3wqXPVg&feature=player_detailpage, sorry can't embed here.

They are so effin scary and mean!

PS: for those who can't wait to see the magnificence, go to about 1:40. For those interested watch the whole thing to observe the cat herding skills.....

Uncle Abbie would be proud.
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TK421 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 06:12 PM
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41. they very well may, but I just don't feel threatened by words on a screen
like some people do..nor do I feel compelled to act upon those words.

Let "anonymous" come out and show themselves! I'm tired of this "whodunit" kind of crap and all this mystery shit...these people are clearly playing a game here. If their convictions are this strong, then they should fucking show themselves!

You know where the network broadcasts are going to be aired showing this footage? PUT YOURSELF ON IT!

If they want to do good, they should put a body behind their message!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 10:30 PM
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29.  "Reek" has to do with smells or odor.
Edited on Thu Sep-29-11 10:32 PM by EFerrari
So unless you're calling them smelly which is possible and maybe deserved, it's "wreak havoc".
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PotatoChip Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 11:07 PM
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32. Thanks for your input,
You are clearly someone who knows what 'reeking' means. Much appreciated! :patriot:
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 11:44 PM
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35. Anonymous ROCK. Thank you Anonymous!
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unionworks Donating Member (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 12:16 AM
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37. don't fear them.
...expect them.
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TK421 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 06:18 PM
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43. what does that mean? "expect them"...in what form, exactly?
Edited on Fri Sep-30-11 06:19 PM by TK421
rioting protesters out on the street? or just another internet memo?

I respect the message behind what these people want, but I am REALLY growing tired of the method they are using...stop being cryptic and just come out and say what the fuck it is you intend to fucking DO"!
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AverageJoe90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 06:17 PM
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42. I have been concerned for some time myself.
Edited on Fri Sep-30-11 06:17 PM by AverageJoe90
While I do believe there are some really decent people in Anonymous, there's also a noticeable dark side; same thing with Wikileaks, too, what with that rat bastard Joran Jermas and all......

I've also noticed the Pirate movement has had the same problems as well; many decent people, including all of the confirmed founders of The Pirate Bay; but on the other hand, one supposed major benefactor, Carl Lundstrom, has had numerous ties to fascist organizations over the years(I also strongly suspect that his supposed contributions have been greatly exaggerated as well, even by one of its founders; perhaps they're afraid of the guy?).
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 06:23 PM
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44. They say the following
The corrupt fear us
the honest support us.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 09:34 AM
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46. I fear television sets.
Not just any television set, mind you. I mean, I have one living in my home. And lots of my friendly and neighborhoodlums have them, too.

But I have this fear of stepping out on my porch, and while singing that 'ole Blue Eyes Classical, "On a Clear Day (you can see .... forever ...)" and having a tv drop out of the sky and crush me. I mean, I'm no tv repair man, so I don't expect it to rain tv's and radio-free Europeans, or nothing. But a single tv. Rabbit ears. Pre=cable. A blast from the past.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 09:49 AM
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47.  Anonymous is on the side of the people,
and I salute them. Solidarity.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 09:54 AM
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48. Chaos is a natural and necessary part of the universe
Your perception of order is mostly fleeting illusion hiding systems of control, anonymous brings chaos to that system and by doing so weakens the ability of the system to create its desired illusion, that to my mind is a good thing. How it will be done is where mileage will vary but don't expect lawful good or lawful evil out of it.
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