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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 01:17 PM
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Either you are a rebel or a slave---Choose---But choose fast.
Either you are a rebel or a slave by Chris Hedges + Bernie Sanders on #OccupyWallStreet
Posted on September 29, 2011
by Chris Hedges

..........................

There are no excuses left. Either you join the revolt taking place on Wall Street and in the financial districts of other cities across the country or you stand on the wrong side of history. Either you obstruct, in the only form left to us, which is civil disobedience, the plundering by the criminal class on Wall Street and accelerated destruction of the ecosystem that sustains the human species, or become the passive enabler of a monstrous evil. Either you taste, feel and smell the intoxication of freedom and revolt or sink into the miasma of despair and apathy. Either you are a rebel or a slave.

To be declared innocent in a country where the rule of law means nothing, where we have undergone a corporate coup, where the poor and working men and women are reduced to joblessness and hunger, where war, financial speculation and internal surveillance are the only real business of the state, where even habeas corpus no longer exists, where you, as a citizen, are nothing more than a commodity to corporate systems of power, one to be used and discarded, is to be complicit in this radical evil. To stand on the sidelines and say “I am innocent” is to bear the mark of Cain; it is to do nothing to reach out and help the weak, the oppressed and the suffering, to save the planet. To be innocent in times like these is to be a criminal. Ask Tim DeChristopher.

Choose. But choose fast. The state and corporate forces are determined to crush this. They are not going to wait for you. They are terrified this will spread. They have their long phalanxes of police on motorcycles, their rows of white paddy wagons, their foot soldiers hunting for you on the streets with pepper spray and orange plastic nets. They have their metal barricades set up on every single street leading into the New York financial district, where the mandarins in Brooks Brothers suits use your money, money they stole from you, to gamble and speculate and gorge themselves while one in four children outside those barricades depend on food stamps to eat. Speculation in the 17th century was a crime. Speculators were hanged. Today they run the state and the financial markets. They disseminate the lies that pollute our airwaves. They know, even better than you, how pervasive the corruption and theft have become, how gamed the system is against you, how corporations have cemented into place a thin oligarchic class and an obsequious cadre of politicians, judges and journalists who live in their little gated Versailles while 6 million Americans are thrown out of their homes, a number soon to rise to 10 million, where a million people a year go bankrupt because they cannot pay their medical bills and 45,000 die from lack of proper care, where real joblessness is spiraling to over 20 percent, where the citizens, including students, spend lives toiling in debt peonage, working dead-end jobs, when they have jobs, a world devoid of hope, a world of masters and serfs.

the rest:
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_best_among_us_20110929/
http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2011/09/29/either-you-are-a-rebel-or-a-slave-by-chris-hedges/
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 01:21 PM
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1. false choice - there are many other options available nt
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 01:27 PM
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3. What are your list of options???
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 01:28 PM
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4. Allowing the IMF to drive Europe into debt slavery, for one. We must protest now.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 10:42 AM
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46. Well, there is serfdom. nt
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 01:30 PM
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5. And they'd probably be determined and ready to crush those as well...
which is what I'm thinking is Sanders' overall point. :shrug:

K&R
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 02:10 PM
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12. Pigs, Dogs, or Sheep?
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 02:22 PM
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15. I'm sorry, but I have to call bullshit.........
There are NOT any other options left. You ARE either with us or against us. If you try to stay neutral, you abet the capitalist exploiters.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 04:50 AM
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36. I knew you'd have no problem seeing there are no other options left.
But did I ever get flamed when I posted this same article on another forum eariler. So many people are still in denial.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 09:49 AM
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40. Denial, it's not just a river in Egypt anymore
to steal a cliche. :) But denial is exactly what it is. If you think that the capitalists are going to back off before driving the rest of us into neofuedalism, then you are denying the evidence. Period.

I'm glad a few of us (and more every day) are seeing the writing on the wall.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 03:30 PM
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18. Emeliano Zappata: I would rather die on my feet a free man than
live on my knees as a slave. -my life motto
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louslobbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 07:41 PM
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34. +1 great life motto.
Lou
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 07:39 PM
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33. No, there isn't.
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UnrepentantLiberal Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 09:46 AM
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39. Are the people posting to this thread who have no problem with what Wall
Street is doing for real?
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Major Nikon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 10:25 AM
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42. Only dichotomous thinking is allowed
Shame on you for suggesting otherwise.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 10:30 AM
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43. Like what?
What choices do we have at this point? Obama? You've got to be kidding. He is just the sugar coating on a very bitter pill. He is the sweet drink that hides the bitter taste of the poison.

What other choice is there really at this point?

Allowing the chaos and cruelty to swallow you whole?

The gentle demonstrations of the Occupy Wall Street Movement are really our only choice. We have tried pretty much everything else.

Did you read the whole article before commenting, msongs?
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 11:34 AM
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51. That is true. Let's make a list of the other options. I'll start...
So we have...

1) Rebel
2) Slave

We can add...

3) One of the elites; a "master"
4) Coma patient
5) Extreme mental patient
6) Small child
7) Member of a sequestered cult
8) Hermit
9) An emigrant

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eilen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 01:35 PM
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53. Here you go:

3) One of the elites; a "master"-- impossible for the 99%; However, at some point all of the 1% become slaves to their own system (think planation owners of the preCivil War South-- couldn't compete without owning slaves to perform the heavy labor) or rebels and try to reform the system. Look at FDR.

4) Coma patient-- translates as "slave". This chronic patient exists to pour medicaid and possibly medicare money into the pockets of a healthcare institution run by the 1%

5) Extreme mental patient-- translates as "slave"-- will serve again as a conduit for money in healthcare institutions or prisons.

6) Small child-- slave, no rights, cannot vote. Currently laws are being challenged that prohibit small children from being employed in wage labor. 1 in 4 is on food stamps. Currently serves as conduit for money for For-Profit charter schools.

7) Member of a sequestered cult-- obviously a slave. Cults enslave their members.

8) Hermit--rebel, a quiet one.

9) An emigrant-- rebel, soon there will be no where to run.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 05:36 PM
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55. Rebuttals...
3) Impossible for most, but not for all. Some people are "masters," so it is an option outside of the rebel/slave options.

4+5) That does not make the patient a slave. Just because you benefit someone doesn't you are a slave. Slavery requires obedience. Claiming a coma patient obeys or does not obey is word play.

6) Children may be viewed as slaves to their legal guardians; I'll give you this one.

7) Based off profound ignorance. You have obviously not studied cults.

8) A rebel who is not even aware what there is to rebel against?

9) The mere act of emigrating does not make one a rebel. Are super rich immigrants that play the Wall Street game rebels? Of course not. The act of relocating is not rebellious in this context.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 01:21 PM
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2. Slebels welcome?
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dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 01:31 PM
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6. You left out master.
Some of us are masters.

(Not me. I'm a rebel!)
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 01:32 PM
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7. Rebel onboard --
Heading to OccupySF camp today. :) Gotta start someplace.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 02:06 PM
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11. Rock and roll!
:thumbsup:
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 05:46 PM
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56. you are?? I want to head there next week sometime
when I am healed a little (broken toes).
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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 01:33 PM
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8. What the -- ?
Supposedly my choices are rebel or slave but the would-be rebels seem to indict the slaves with the same crimes as the slave masters.

"To stand on the sidelines and say “I am innocent” is to bear the mark of Cain; it is to do nothing to reach out and help the weak, the oppressed and the suffering, to save the planet. To be innocent in times like these is to be a criminal."

So a little too much like, "You're either with us or you're with the terrorists."

pass
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 02:01 PM
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9. Which side are you on boys?
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 02:24 PM
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16. THAT is the question.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 02:04 PM
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10. I come from a long line of surly peasants.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 02:17 PM
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13. I won't lead, won't follow, and won't get out of the way.
I won't lead, won't follow, and won't get out of the way. Rebel? Slave? Master? Robot? Sheep? Wolf? :shrug:

I'm certain it helps many out to label someone A or B. But more often than not, options C, D & E are ignored. Options F,G & H are not thought of; and Options I, J & K are considered too extreme or not extreme enough. Labels-- convenient for the mind, invalid for the soul.


"We have reached the only possible conclusion from all the facts..."
"Incorrect. You have reached ONE conclusion from SOME of the facts."
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 04:05 PM
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24. No worries, you'll figure it out soon enough. nt
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yawnmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 02:19 PM
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14. you are either with us or against us...where have I heard that before? eom
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 10:32 AM
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44. That is not what the OP is saying.
Did you read the entire article cited by the OP, yawnmaster?

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Aaria Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 11:09 AM
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48. Are you going to help we the people or them? Your decision says a lot about you.
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kctim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 02:33 PM
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17. Weird
My Tea Party friends have been telling me almost the exact same thing:

Either you are a Patriot or a slave---If you are a Patriot, join us---If you are a slave, you are part of the problem.
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 03:38 PM
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20. If you have tea party friends
They most likely aren't the virulent variety of Koch brother supported and paid nonsense spewers. They are probably also correct, and aren't as far to the "Tea Party" as you think they are.
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kctim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 03:57 PM
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21. Oh, they are definetely Tea Party
The go to EVERY Tea Party rally/protest in the area.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 03:33 PM
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19. Chris snorted a few lines of melodrama before he wrote this piece.
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 09:12 AM
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37. As opposed to your bitter cup of ostrich tea? Liberty and justice are lost in a 1000 little catnaps.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 04:03 PM
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22. I already chose a long time ago
I'm a self avowed Democratic Socialist.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 04:04 PM
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23. I know which side I'm on - Solidarity. K&R nt
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 04:30 PM
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25. Which Side Are You On
Lyrics of a Union song that is appropriate:


Come all of you good workers,
Good news to you I’ll tell,
Of how that good old union
Has come in here to dwell.

cho: Which side are you on?
Which side are you on?
Which side are you on?
Which side are you on?

My daddy was a miner,
And I’m a miner’s son,
And I’ll stick with the union,
Till every battle’s won.

They say in Harlan County,
There are no neutrals there.
You’ll either be a union man,
Or a thug for J.H. Blair.

Oh, workers can you stand it?
Oh, tell me how you can.
Will you be a lousy scab,
Or will you be a man ?

Don’t scab for the bosses,
Don’t listen to their lies.
Us poor folks haven’t got a chance,
Unless we organize.

More Verses:


Come all you poor workers, good news to you I’ll tell,
How the good old union has come in here to dwell.
Which side are you on, which side are you on?

We’re starting our good battle, we know we’re sure to win.
Because we got the gun thugs lookin’ pretty thin.
Which side are you on, which side are you on?

You go to Harlan County, there is no neutral there.
You’ll either be a union man or a thug for J.H. Blair
Which side are you on, which side are you on?

They say they have to guard us to educate their child.
Their children live in luxury, our children almost wild.
Which side are you on, which side are you on?

Gentlemen can you stand it, oh tell me how you can?
Will you be a gun thug or will you be a man>
Which side are you on, which side are you on?

My daddy was a miner, he’s now in the air and sun.
he be with you, fellow workers, till every battle’s won.
Which side are you on, which side are you on?


'Nuff Said.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 06:39 PM
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29. Thanks for posting those lyrics, RoccoR5955 . (nt)
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 04:38 PM
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26. I am Spartacus
We will be rebels because we are already slaves.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 07:39 PM
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32. I AM SPARTICUS!!!
:)
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babydollhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 05:32 PM
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27. kick
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 05:37 PM
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28. Ya gotta ask?

Speaker of the House John Boehner, by Robbie Conal
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Throd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 06:49 PM
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30. I choose dance!
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 07:38 PM
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31. K&R. You either side with the We The People or with the Rulers.
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 02:22 AM
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35. I always knew being a rebel would come in handy one day
there is no choice for me - better to die on your feet than live on your knees - hope it doesn't come to that - but it's true.
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bluestate10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 09:16 AM
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38. Yep. Only two choices, My Way or the Highway. Yet again.
Predictable, one trick pony stuff. Nothing to set here, reality is many shades of grey.
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judesedit Donating Member (450 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 10:20 AM
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41. Rebel for truth and equality here
Occupy Wall Street all the way. They can only hide it for so long. If its any comfort, my mouth never stops speaking out to try to get others to at least do the research themselves to find out whats really going on in this country. Many GOP sheeple hardly speak to me because they don't want to upset the virtual apple cart they've set up in their minds. Such a travesty. They are 100% brainwashed.
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 10:36 AM
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45. Rebel here
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 10:55 AM
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47. We are not rebels. We seek to restore law, order, justice and the Constitution.
Those who through their wealth have usurped the lawful authority of this country are the real rebels, radicals and traitors.



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PETRUS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 11:10 AM
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49. K&R
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 11:31 AM
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50. Rebels REBEL. We are being forced to rebel against the Corporate Rule imposed upon us by
Edited on Sat Oct-01-11 11:32 AM by bertman
the Financial Elites who don't give a damn about the USA or our Constitution. All they care about is the MONEY.

BE IN D.C. ON OCTOBER 6TH. Nonviolent resistance and civil disobedience is the key. We MUST show our strength by taking to the streets. Otherwise we are mute and invisible.

REC.



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Jester Messiah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 12:34 PM
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52. So it's "with us or against us" time, is it?
Well, I know where my loyalties lie. Fuck the corporations. But this false-dichotomy stuff was bullshit when Bush pulled it and it's bullshit now. Besides, what's my option? Go down to Wall St., where the protesters get maced and do nothing about it? Nah, no thanks. Start setting some shit on fire and we'll see. Show me some terrified rich people, running for their lives. Then maybe there will be something worth joining.
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eilen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 01:39 PM
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54. It's kind of like, If you don't vote for Obama,
You are voting for the Republicans. Democrats ++Good. Republicans ++ Evil. Green or other 3rd Party (Nader) = Evil being that they are not Democrats.

Everyone has their own pet dichotomies. It takes some soul searching and critical thinking to determine which ones are false.
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desertrat777 Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 08:55 AM
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57. Gaming the system
It has come down to this, and it appears that you have described what is happening more quickly than I would have thought.

We do have options, and they are either to side with the parasite and its minions, or side with a future for this earth.

It will not be easy, especially in this country, as the rich and powerful don't want to let go of the 99% they are feeding off of.

Thank you for saying what needs to be said.

BTW it appears that Guy Fawkes will be appearing in greater numbers this Halloween. If this doesn't make sense, watch the movie V for Vendetta.
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