I thought you wanted Obama to be tough.

[LoZoccolo]

[MadHound]

1. Tough is one thing, extralegal is an entirely different matter. n/t

[treestar]

5. Well I've often seen it said that extralegal arm twisting

should take place to force Blue Dogs and Republicans to vote for or not filibuster a public option.

Suddenly the law matters. Interesting.

[MadHound]

9. Really?

First of all, do you have any proof of that? Second, there is a huge difference between hyperbolic hyperventilation on a political chat board and dropping a drone missile on an actual human being.

[treestar]

23. Yeah really and there is no difference to the issue raised

About toughness and disregarding the law to get what you want, whether it be killing a terrorist or a public option.

[Capitalocracy]

27. Example?

Excuse my ignorance.

[Harmony Blue]

Ordering a suspect to be killed doesn't make someone tough

Standing up to what you believe in is what defines toughness. I personally believe in the justice system, and the rule of law.

[vets74]

20. Killing an active, mass murdering traitor is certainly a legal act.

American law is quite clear.

This is equivalent to using snipers to take out a hostage taker. Or gunning down a John Dillinger.

If the fugitive is know to be armed-and-dangerous, to have used violence previously then the Rule of Law standards are quite different from ordinary apprehension of suspects.

This piece of shit was lucky to be taken out quickly.

[emilyg]

41. No trial?

[vets74]

42. Due process does not apply to all pursuit situations.

If the capture is practical, sure. Not for someone like this guy.

Since this guy had armed bodyguards, making a capture was impossible. Complaining about due process is bad faith argument.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

63. He was tried in Yemen i believe n/t

[treestar]

2. I think that if Obama had said

"I can't do anything, we have to try him first," the same people would say he was "capitulating" to terrorists.

[Whisp]

6. + and a lot of 000000's.

ain't that the friggin truth

[JuniperLea]

16. Damn straight!

He's doing too much! He's not doing enough!

He's moving too fast... he's not moving fast enough... he's giving them too many chances... he could give a guy a chance...

Whatever the situation, it can be used to shit on Obama.

[Scurrilous]

18. ...

:thumbsup:

[frylock]

21. the problem is that you don't think

[mmonk]

3. Tough would be to follow the rule of law when the rule of law is unpopular.

[Cali_Democrat]

4. We want him to beat up on Republicans, not on due process and the rule of law. n/t

[abelenkpe]

28. +1000 nt

[NightWatcher]

7. Let It Sink

[lamp_shade]

10. Good idea.

:banghead:

[DJ13]

19. It wont sink, its a floater

[Better Believe It]

8. Tough on who? Wall Street? Yes. Corporate America? Yes. The ultra rich parasites? Yes.

[LWolf]

26. +1

[WinkyDink]

11. Who, pray, comprise "you"?

[AngkorWot]

12. They want Obama to fail.

[Harmony Blue]

40. No one is forcing Obama to continue

Bush era doctrine.

As a liberal, I refuse to take the blame for other people's choices!

[JuniperLea]

13. He's doing too much!

He's not doing enough!

He's spending too much!

He's not spending enough!

Same old pathetic song and dance. Some of us rail against killing every day of our lives... others do it when it's convenient, and in this case, when it's convenient to the cause... the shitting on Obama cause.

[classof56]

14. Today I saw a 2012 BARACKOBAMA.COM sticker on a vehicle

I'll put one on my bumper soon--maybe someone will smash it and I can get some much-needed repair. Wondering if the someone will be a disgruntled Dem who doesn't like anything he does. Just a thought...

Tired Old Cynic

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

15. One thing is for sure, the sheep is not a creature of the air.

[SwampG8r]

64. they dont so much fly

as plummet

[DisabledDem]

17. The Rethugs?

The party is too busy dividing America into small minded shaped boxes that only fits their agenda. If Dubya was the commander in chief sporting about how he killed one of Al Quada members, the dittoheads would be all over for him that would turn into real life porn.

[tnlefty]

24. Welcome to DU DisabledDem!

:hi:

[DisabledDem]

33. Thanks tnlefty

:toast:

[frylock]

22. by engaging in acts of cowardice?

no thanks.

[bluestateguy]

25. He just never acts tough

Some presidents feel a need to speak loudly and carry a big stick or speak loudly and carry a small stick.

Obama's approach: speak softly and.....you're never really sure if he is carrying a big stick or a small stick.

[Autumn]

29. So this makes him tough?

In your dreams. He did nothing but decide he had that right.

[whatchamacallit]

31. +1 n/t

[louslobbs]

30. That's not tough enough, he'll only be tough enough when he pushes for the construction of the new

50 State Coliseums, not only will the building of them create jobs, but once they're completed, everyone can enjoy a day with their families at the Coliseum watching those that the government decides has committed a wrong against the State, thrown to the lions or tortured, depending on their crimes or wrong doings. Imagine the excitement, of seeing those who deserve it, getting what's coming to them.......live and in person.......it don't get much tougher I tellz ya...........and until that happens, the government will never be tough enough for me........and if the government says someone did something, then they probably did......and even if they have to create some evidence, so what, they're still guilty aren't they? SARCASM Alert.
Lou

[rug]

32. I didn't realize his aim was so bad.

[TBF]

34. You call me when he starts aiming at Bankers -

they've done more damage to the American people than some random "terrorist".

[louslobbs]

45. Or the Koch brothers or Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes et al. n/t

Lou

[Odin2005]

35. It fits that You DLC Conservadems support shitting on the Rule of Law.

[Patriot 76]

36. When folks want to be constantly outraged, anything will do.

Even worrying about those poor terrorists.

[Harmony Blue]

44. I am more terrified than outraged

if you can't connect the logical points...there is nothing more to discuss.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

37. Tough? As in "Smoke 'em out!" and "Bring it on!" tough?

[Major Hogwash]

48. He sure as hell smoked out bin Laden's ass!!

And now bin Laden is down in hell smoking a turd!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

51. Looks like PR assassination worked on you. USA! USA!

[Major Hogwash]

52. It wasn't about PR at all. I grew up with a conscience and was taught right from wrong.

And the fact is, I still know that difference.

This was a tough decision for President Obama to make, but he made the right decision because he is our leader.
He is our President.

Al-Alwaki declared war on this country, so I don't grieve over him suffering from the consequences of his actions.
Not one little bit.

[Marr]

56. I grew up with a Civics class and was taught about rights.

If it was a Republican doing the same thing, you'd be incensed.

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[Texasgal]

38. If we were to have an attack

here on our soil, DU would be BESIDE themselves.

Serioulsy, EPIC anger that he didn't stop it.

UGGG.

[marmar]

39. That's the faux Bush version of machismo......

Tough would be prosecuting and jailing the Banksters.

[City Lights]

43. You who? eom

[Major Hogwash]

46. No, we want him to be like Play Doh.

And then we can mold him any way we wantta.

[NNN0LHI]

47. You don't believe that +90% approval rating Bush the Idiot had was made up of all conservatives?

Yea, I am pretty sure there had to be a bunch of daddy figure loving liberal Dems and independents in that total too.

Don

[saras]

49. As soon as he assassinates the first few bankers, I'll forgive him this one

But he's got to get his priorities straight.

[sabrina 1]

50. The same thing could be said about Bush then.

He couldn't win for losing either. The 'left' was outraged when it was revealed he was ordering the assassinations of terrorists abroad and they weren't even US Citizens.

So, does the left owe Bush an apology now?

[Electric Monk]

53. Nice of you to admit with your choice of pronouns that you aren't one of us

[LoZoccolo]

54. I think I've said before that Joe Biden is the tough guy.

[pipi_k]

59. Sad, really...

that even here at DU, there's an "us vs. them" mindset against others in the same party.

In that vein, then I guess I'm one of the "them" also. The vilified ones. The ones who don't want Obama to be "tough" as much as hope he will do what's best for as many people as he can...not just a portion of the Democratic party that thinks it's got squatter's rights and also believes it knows better than he does how to do his job.

Eh. What can ya do...

:shrug:

[AverageJoe90]

55. Yes, but why wasn't Al-Awlaki detained & investigated BEFORE he left? nt

[Edweird]

58. Well, yeah - an FDR "I welcome their hatred" type of tough not W "bring it on" BS

I guess you can't tell the difference or something...

[hobbit709]

60. Another brilliant one line thread starter

:sarcasm:

[Zanzoobar]

61. QED

Tough.

[Bryn]

62. In what respect, Charlie?

???

[Iggo]

65. Yes, you did.

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