Ain't no coppers coming in my house uninvited!

[Inchworm]

They are lucky I let 'em pull up my drive.

I'm trying to follow the details with this 4th amendment discussion.

:grr:

[baldguy]

1. Conservatives are fearful of govt overreach

And conservative judges create the law which allows that overreach to occur.

Then the conservatives blame liberals for it, and get their representatives to install judges who are even more conservative.


I think this is what's call a "vicious circle".

[brewens]

2. Remember when Perot debated Gore? I think it was on

Larry king Live. They asked him what he would do about the drug epidemic. He went off on first building a national consensus, then cordoning off city blocks and doing house to house searches.
Now if you start talking like that about the second amendment, the gun nuts will tell you what to do with your national consensus. They only understand what the bill of rights is about if it's their gun rights in question. Anyone that heard Perot say that, should have asked themselves if he understood anything about the bill of rights. Once given the power to search indiscriminately, what's to stop a guy like that from deciding to round up all the guns? If you've already given the cops the right to break in and search wherever they want, they're halfway there.

[Cid_B]

3. Why are there in the first place?

[ProgressiveProfessor]

4. There is some precedent there

If your driveway is unsecured and open to the public, the police can use it to come to the house. If it is secured, you have no requirement to open the gates/lower the chain so they can.

I live out in the twigs (well past the sticks). I secure my property with a serious gate to due past problems with OHV riders. At least once an LEO was quite upset that he could not get in and I did not respond to the intercom (I was teaching at the time). I have solved the latter problem to some degree.