ADL analysis claims suspected Arizona shooter not anti-Semitic

[azurnoir]

An Anti-Defamation League (ADL) analysis of the messages written by Arizona shooting suspect Jared Lee Loughner revealed Wednesday that the he may not have been motivated by anti-Semitism when shooting Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, but rather by a profound mistrust of government.

"The messages reveal a person with a generic distrust of the government and a vague interest in conspiracy theories," the ADL published in the organization's website. "Using the screen name 'Erad3,' Loughner, 22, returned repeatedly to certain topics, including grammar, literacy and 'logic,' his distrust of the government and dislike of religion."

The ADL analyzed his writings which appeared on the conspiracy-oriented Web site "Above Top Secret," a forum dealing with conspiracy theories, which includes anti-government extremists in its membership.

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/adl-analysis-claims-suspected-arizona-shooter-not-anti-semitic-1.336622

[aquart]

1. They may have missed his encounters with a DUer's brother in HS.

Those were specifically anti-semitic.

[azurnoir]

2. Please on expound this

are you saying the DUer or is it merely this posters sibling that are antisemitic please giver us an example of what you are talking about

[aquart]

4. Good grief.

Loughner went to high school with a DUer's brother. He attacked the brother for being a Jew. Got his clock cleaned.

[azurnoir]

6. I am not denying it , however I missed it and can't find it by a DU search

so I was asking for the example

[jonnyblitz]

13. here it is. I remembered the DUer's name and that is how

I was able to find it easily when searching for it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=147755&mesg_id=147755

[azurnoir]

15. Thanks I did not see it at all and had no idea which DUer it was or what forum n/t

[spanone]

3. so the fbi has released all it's findings to the adl ????

[BeFree]

5. Isn't that special?

Or is the ADL just jumping the gun a bit by making a proclamation without all the facts?

We do get that a lot you know?

[madinmaryland]

14. "jumping the gun". Maybe not the best of phrases to use.

:hi:

[azurnoir]

7. I'll admit I was somewhat surprised n/t

[Behind the Aegis]

8. Another crappy headline from Ha'aretz.

The article doesn't even match the title of the article (as written by Ha'aretz). The ADL never claimed the shooter wasn't anti-Semitic, but rather his motivations "may not have been" anti-Semitic. Just because his motivations were not anti-Semitic, doesn't mean he is not, which is still somewhat of an unknown, though Suji's brother tells a different story, which, personally, I am inclined to believe. He may not have targeted her because she was a Jew, it may have just been a "happy coincidence" that she was.

Based on what we know, I agree with the ADL. The attack appears to be more of an anti-government attack facilitated by the ease at reaching Rep. Giffords.

[azurnoir]

9. You agree? yet feel the need to trash Haaretz is it ? n/t

[Behind the Aegis]

10. Trashing Ha'aretz?

:eyes:

[azurnoir]

12. yep that's what I though, you were not trashing Haaretz oh and thanks for the link to the DUer

statement concerning the fact that Loughner was apparently indeed antisemitic, perhaps it should be forwarded to the ADL

[Violet_Crumble]

16. Yr thanking the wrong person. BTA didn't post the link, someone else did...

Anyone with even the slightest experience with Ha'aretz is aware that their headline titles change a fair bit. While it's annoying at times in the I/P forum, where headline titles must match the title of a new thread, and no such constraints exist in GD. As for it being a 'crappy headline', the mind boggles that a headline saying someone wasn't anti-semitic is seen as very different than saying their motivations aren't antisemitic. When it comes to that degree of extreme hair-splitting, I have to wonder if even having footnotes in a headline title would be considered satisfactory...

[oberliner]

18. Extreme hair-splitting?

Hopefully people can see that there is a major difference between claiming someone is anti-semitic and claiming an action that they engaged in was motivated by anti-semitism.

Not everything an anti-semite does is motivated by anti-semitism.

[SoCalDem]

11. suspected?? WTF He DID it..there is no "suspect" to it

why he did it might be open for interpretation, but the fact that he did it should not be.. People caught in the act of killing, should be identified as "the killer"..

[oberliner]

17. What is it about this ADL analysis that interests you?

You posted the article without comment - have you any?