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ChangoLoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 01:35 PM Original message |
Chávez: Gaddafi will be remembered as a martyr |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
1. ROFL |
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Richardo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
2. Your opinion is noted, Hugo. |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
3. No, he won't, Hugo. |
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chrisa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
4. *chirp* *chirp* *chirp* |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 03:30 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Still crickets when it comes to the Chavez defenders. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 03:46 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. You mean 'from the defenders of the Rule of Law and the rights |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 03:50 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Right, I get it. Anything the west does is evil; anyone who opposes them is pure good. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 03:59 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. The Imperial Western Leaders recognize the brutal |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 04:17 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Honestly, you sound like a self-parody. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 04:52 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Fortunately your opinion of ME, and btw I am not the issue here |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 05:37 PM Response to Reply #31 |
42. When you refuse to acknowledge reality, you make yourself the subject. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 06:00 PM Response to Reply #42 |
53. Of course you're not going to debate. All you have produced so |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 06:07 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. The credible journalists and human rights groups will tell you Ghaddaffi as good guy is laughable. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 06:53 PM Response to Reply #55 |
67. Sigh! The credible journalists and other organizations I am speaking |
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themadstork (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 05:32 PM Response to Reply #26 |
37. Because blindly conforming to the interests of money and privilege is so very brave of you. |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 05:33 PM Response to Reply #26 |
39. Fantastic post though I truly have no idea why you bother |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 05:38 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Because someone, somewhere, might read through and think she sounds knowledgeable. |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 05:44 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. GMTA |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 05:42 PM Response to Reply #43 |
85. And yet, you went silent when actually challenged to show your |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 05:49 PM Response to Reply #26 |
50. +10000 |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 07:47 PM Response to Reply #26 |
72. Two minutes hate. |
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themadstork (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 09:23 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. Thank goodness, huh? |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 03:56 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. I'm sorry--are people in the midst of an internal revolution bound by the Geneva Conventions? |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 04:03 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Yes. And I cannot believe you even asked that question. |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 04:32 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Oh dear god, you're serious. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 04:47 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. It was not an armed uprising by civilians which is why it lost the |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 04:59 PM Response to Reply #16 |
32. you have reduced yourself to a punchline. congrats. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 05:33 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. Firing another dud and still missing the target. But not addressing the issues. |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 05:18 PM Response to Reply #16 |
34. Simply beyond satire. n/t. |
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polly7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 05:21 PM Response to Reply #16 |
35. +1000 n/t. |
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11 Bravo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 07:39 PM Response to Reply #16 |
70. You are either the most gifted satirist of the modern era, or ... well ... |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 07:53 PM Response to Reply #16 |
74. Responsibility to protect *is* the rule of law in this century. It's over for *all* dictators. |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 05:34 PM Response to Reply #10 |
40. You can support President Obama without agreeing with every single thing he says or does. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 05:40 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. That's at least the most rational thing that I've heard out of anyone pro-Chavez on this thread. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 07:49 PM Response to Reply #40 |
73. You can oppose President Chavez without disagreeing with every single thing he says or does. |
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Drahthaardogs (482 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 04:48 PM Response to Reply #4 |
30. Where's my mallet. I am going for the gong! |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
5. No and that's part of why the video footage is so important. |
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Lint Head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
6. And also remembered as a brutal killer. |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
7. He will be remembered as an expendible oil-backed thug /nt |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 03:54 PM Response to Reply #7 |
21. Do you have any understanding of people in other parts of the |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 04:21 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. Do you? |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 05:06 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Yes, I do. Gadaffi was a terrible person, by our standards. |
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polly7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 05:27 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Whoot! Rock on sabrina. Why do I get the feeling this is 2003? n/t. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 05:35 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. Polly7, yes, why it all feels so familiar! |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 05:48 PM Response to Reply #33 |
49. Ghaddafi was a terrible person by ANYONE'S STANDARDS. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 06:12 PM Response to Reply #49 |
57. You're behind the news on Uzbekistan. |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 07:21 AM Response to Reply #21 |
84. Yes, I think I do, at least somewhat, thanks |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
8. Whatever. |
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Andrew_Writer (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
9. Gaddafi? |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
11. K & R. n/t. |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
12. Chavez has done a lot of good for the poor of his country, a lot more than our President has. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 03:43 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. I don't think it's our President's problem to fix Venezuela. |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 03:45 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. There you go again, spoiling a perfectly good "Chavez rulz!!!" post with facts. n/t. |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 05:43 PM Response to Reply #13 |
46. You are killing this thread |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 05:50 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. Their poverty level was close to 40% in 2005, I understand it dropped in the 2009 estimate... |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 06:03 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. 2010 estimate has it at 37.9% |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 06:11 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. That's the one that's labeled "2005 estimate." |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 06:30 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. No, you're completely right |
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themadstork (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 06:44 PM Response to Reply #56 |
65. A strange assumption |
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Amonester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 06:31 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. "to have a system almost exactly" (about the almost exactly) |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 06:34 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. The gap in these countries put our "gap" to shame |
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Amonester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 06:40 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. I was not criticizing. I only wanted to point out a few 'problems' |
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themadstork (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 06:47 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. Which is exactly why they wouldn't be taking us as a model, no? |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 07:36 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. You either misread what I wrote or are attempting to make some sort of point |
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themadstork (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 09:03 PM Response to Reply #69 |
76. Why would they choose to emulate any other system of democracy? |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 12:09 AM Response to Reply #76 |
81. lol I'm done letting you waste my time |
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themadstork (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 02:18 AM Response to Reply #81 |
83. You and wraith went back and forth on the poverty number, |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 03:49 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. Chavez has been an ally of qadaffi going back more than |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
14. Chavez has to be worried that he could be next |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
17. Right Hugo right |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
18. no hugo, he'll be remembered as the man who ordered the killing of 270 innocents. pan am 103 |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 07:40 PM Response to Reply #18 |
71. Why would that be? The Bush/Obama administrations |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 08:23 PM Response to Reply #18 |
75. Well, actually, probably not |
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devilgrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
24. Oh I'm sure! |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 05:40 PM Response to Original message |
44. Yes, because there is nothing more revoluationary as a batshit crazy dictator... |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
48. That's a disgraceful thing to say, but why is *this* interesting... |
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polly7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 05:53 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. I think it's just because the hatred for Chavez is so great. |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 06:39 PM Response to Reply #52 |
62. I don't understand why Chavez-supporters have to defend everything he says... |
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polly7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 06:55 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. I believe he's allied himself with any leader who's claimed the right |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 06:37 PM Response to Original message |
61. By some, no doubt. |
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Zanzoobar (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
64. And that's an order! |
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50000feet (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 10:09 PM Response to Original message |
78. This is from a Libyan blog. |
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Swede (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 10:28 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. And don't forget the mass graves and torture chambers. |
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50000feet (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 10:39 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. But they all torture at a certain level of societal development. |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 07:53 PM Response to Reply #79 |
86. Would those be the same torture chambers the US and UK sent suspected evildoers to for a workover? |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 12:14 AM Response to Original message |
82. Welllll... isn't that special... |
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