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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 12:50 PM Original message |
Patrice Lumumba: the most important assassination of the 20th century |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
1. But..but..America is a peace loving country that supports democracy and human rights. |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. The sham is thankfully falling apart. |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
2. I'm not sure it was the MOST important of the 20th century, but |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Which other assassinations would you put at the top? |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:10 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Archduke Franz Ferdinand. n/t |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:16 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. Not to mention the Romanovs. |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:19 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. I hadn't given it too much thought as to the others, |
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GSLevel9 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 04:00 PM Response to Reply #18 |
47. good "what if".... |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:35 PM Response to Reply #14 |
29. Hardly. It was overkill, but they were already deposed, no? |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:21 PM Response to Reply #8 |
19. Very important but in a different way, imo |
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GSLevel9 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #6 |
21. I've never understood the tears shed for Guevara... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:34 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. Soldier, doctor, diplomat, social theorist. |
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GSLevel9 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:13 PM Response to Reply #2 |
12. yeah, far from #1 |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:25 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. Franz Ferdinand is the only one I'd agree with |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 01:29 AM Response to Reply #22 |
57. First |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 10:57 AM Response to Reply #57 |
66. Thanks |
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Retrograde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 02:18 PM Response to Reply #12 |
43. I think Lumumba's death hasn't gotten as much press as the others |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 01:40 AM Response to Reply #12 |
58. hmm... |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 01:52 AM Response to Reply #2 |
59. Well, |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
4. K & R |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. I was having problems posting too. |
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RufusTFirefly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #7 |
20. There's also an excellent biopic about Lumumba called "Lumumba" |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:29 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Thank you! I just came to post the following when I saw your post |
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BlueMTexpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 09:33 AM Response to Reply #20 |
61. Thank you for this post. nt |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
5. The Poisonwood Bible has the best recounting of this story |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:10 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Like I've said before, the things I learn from you |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:12 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. It's a long, long way from Tucson and The Bean Trees. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:10 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Terrific book. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:17 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. Imo, it's one of the most brilliant novels of the 20th. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:46 PM Response to Reply #16 |
34. I read it aloud to my wife. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:49 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. That looks interesting! |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 10:45 PM Response to Reply #16 |
51. La Lacuna, I think her latest, is very good and historical fiction also. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 01:45 PM Response to Reply #51 |
72. I've not been reading fiction at all but must read that. |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 09:20 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. Oh yes, you really must read it! |
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BlueMTexpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 09:35 AM Response to Reply #16 |
62. LOL - great minds! nt |
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Scruffy1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 12:50 AM Response to Reply #5 |
56. This book should be on everyones reading list. |
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BlueMTexpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 09:28 AM Response to Reply #5 |
60. If the world were fair, that book would be considered |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #60 |
71. You're probably right but, just as Beloved put the Middle Passage |
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BlueMTexpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 03:00 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Me too - enjoy! nt |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 09:28 PM Response to Reply #5 |
80. It's very powerful. I knew who Lumumba was, I remembered the news when he was killed. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
13. Oh, but the US GOVT would NEVER enter into murderous conspiracies! Tin-foil! Tin-foil! |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:33 PM Response to Reply #13 |
27. Forgive me. I lost me head there for a minute. What on earth was I thinking? |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
15. A busy spate of CIA backed-killings 'round then: Guevara, Lumumba, Diem... JFK, |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:46 PM Response to Reply #15 |
35. All free men of the world must be prepared to avenge the crime of the Congo. -- Guevara. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:56 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Well, hell, no wonder he had to go. Like King getting around to leading a "poor people's march" |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 09:27 PM Response to Reply #40 |
79. That was King's kiss of death. No way were they going to let him |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 09:25 PM Response to Reply #35 |
78. The next year he went to the Congo to fight against the people who assassinated Lumumba |
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BlueMTexpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 09:56 AM Response to Reply #15 |
65. If they weren't considered "assassinations," here are some other |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
17. What a great post |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:26 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. Thanks Malaise. That's quite a compliment coming from you. n/t |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 02:02 PM Response to Reply #23 |
41. My father had very deep feelings about that assassination |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
24. And there are people who question U.S. backing for the |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:30 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. +1 n/t |
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felix_numinous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. America needs to look in the mirror |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:49 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Yes we do. I wish there was a way to force that. |
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hootinholler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:40 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. It's not clear to me that we are a new empire |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #30 |
38. Which all comes back to capitalism imo. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 02:16 PM Response to Reply #30 |
42. Mmm, could be. But that was the antithesis of what the FF |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
31. Lumumba: I have to agree with you, also in terms of its consequences internationally. |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:44 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. What you said Jack! Well said. n/t |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
39. Colonialism under another name is still the same. n/t |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 02:19 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Check this out |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 03:47 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Thank you |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
46. Great OP ! |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 11:14 AM Response to Reply #46 |
70. Do you have that handy? I'd like to read it and learn. |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
48. Have you seen this? |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 11:12 AM Response to Reply #48 |
69. How *colonial* of them. |
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htuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 05:40 PM Response to Original message |
49. Death and Taxes (a poem) |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 09:18 PM Response to Reply #49 |
76. Great poem. I'm embarrassed to admit that I need to look up 3 people |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 08:42 PM Response to Original message |
50. Kicking because this should never be forgotten. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 10:47 PM Response to Original message |
52. K&R |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
53. K&R! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 12:17 AM Response to Original message |
54. Thank you -- back tomorrow to read -- !! |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 12:22 AM Response to Original message |
55. k & r |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
63. Franz Ferdinand, JFK, Ghandi. N.T. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
64. Kick & maybe people should honor Lumumba's memory rather than competing... |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
67. As a side issue, I'll never understand the people who have more rage |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
68. Highly recommended reading - thank you Catherina. nt |
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robertpaulsen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
74. Sorry I'm too late to recommend. Great thread! |
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BobbyBoring (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
75. Another example of American Exceptionalism |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 09:29 PM Response to Reply #75 |
81. Welcome America to third world status. The monster we created |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 02:31 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. next-day kick |
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