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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 10:30 AM
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Do we gain anything on DU by constantly knowing the latest thing said by Rush, Beck, Palin, etc?
I sometimes wonder what we could accomplish if this time and energy were instead focused on holding our elected Democrats accountable for being progressive. We're not expecting the neocons to say anything intelligent or helpful, so why waste our time listening to it and getting ourselves all up in a tizzy about it? :shrug:
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 10:35 AM
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2. 'Knowing' doesn't hurt; 'promoting' by featuring doesn't help, imo.
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Stuart G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 10:38 AM
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3. It is a good question... but
Edited on Tue Jan-18-11 10:38 AM by Stuart G
When Palin mouths off in a stupid vicious way, we need to respond, and we do.
Perhaps you are correct, that energy could be better used, but that need to respond, in a fairly quiet way here,
amoung us, acts as a pressure release that allows us to go on. These comments are so mean and awful by
Rush, Beck Palin etc..that I feel I need to respond somewhere, somehow to them..I guess that is the best I can do to
answer this question.
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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 10:39 AM
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4. Yeah I understand that; sort of a catharsis, even if it's to folks who agree with us. nt
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 10:39 AM
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5. No
n/t
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westhop Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 10:52 AM
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6. EDIT REQUESTED
My opinion is that not only do we not gain, we lose. I am
pasting in a commentary I saw on this that appeared in this
morning's paper which may contribute to this discussion:

Ross Douthat: Scenes from a marriage

The press and Sarah Palin have been at war with each other
almost from the first, but their mutual antipathy looks
increasingly like codependency.

Last update: January 17, 2011 - 7:28 PM

In every twisted, wretched, ruinous relationship, there are
moments so grim, flare-ups so appalling, that they offer both
parties a chance to step back, take inventory, and realize
that it's time -- far past time, in fact -- to go their
separate ways.

For the American media and Sarah Palin, that kind of a moment
arrived last week.

It began just hours after the tragedy in Tucson, with a tweet
from Markos "Daily Kos" Moulitsas, the éminence
grise of the liberal blogosphere. "Mission Accomplished,
Sarah Palin," he wrote, linking to a map that Palin's PAC
had put up last fall, placing targets on various Democratic
districts, Gabrielle Giffords' included.

It didn't take long for the media to seize on his attack and
run with it. Forget a nation's grief and Giffords' struggle to
survive: What America really needed, the nation's pundits and
TV producers decided, was a noisy debate about the possible
link between Jared Lee Loughner's crime and Palin's martial
campaign rhetoric.

Given how little connection Loughner seems to have to any kind
of right-wing politics, this conversation looked increasingly
ridiculous by midweek, and even a little bit obscene.

But instead of letting the frenzy die away, Palin decided that
what the country really needed was for her to use the day set
aside for mourning Loughner's victims to make a speech
complaining about her own victimization.

(Or as she put it, rather more pungently, the "blood
libel" being leveled by her critics.) Which, needless to
say, gave the press exactly the excuse it needed to continue
its wall-to-wall Palin coverage for another 48 hours -- and
beyond.

The whole business felt less like an episode in American
political history than a scene from a particularly toxic
marriage -- more "Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?"
than "The Making of the President."

The press and Palin have been at war with each other almost
from the first, but their mutual antipathy looks increasingly
like codependency: They can't get along, but they can't live
without each other either.

For their part, the media manage to be consistently unfair to
the former Alaska governor -- gossipy and hostile in their
reportage, hysterical and condescending in their commentary --
even as they follow her every move with a fascination
bordering on obsession. (MSNBC, in particular, should just
change its name to "Palin 24/7" and get it over
with.)

When commentators aren't denouncing her, they're busy building
up her legend -- exaggerating her political acumen,
overpraising her communications strategy, covering her every
tweet as if she were the Viceroy of Red America, and spinning
out outlandish scenarios in which she captures the White House
in 2012.

Palin, meanwhile, officially despises the
"lamestream" media. But press coverage -- good, bad,
whatever -- is clearly the oxygen she craves. She supposedly
hates having her privacy invaded, yet her family keeps showing
up on reality TV.

She thinks the political class is clueless and out-of-touch,
but she can't resist responding to its every provocation. Her
public rhetoric, from "death panels" to "blood
libel," is obviously crafted to maximize coverage and
controversy, and generate more heat than light.

And her Twitter account reads like a constant plea for the
most superficial sort of media attention.

It's a grim spectacle on both sides, and last week's pointless
controversy was a particularly low point. So let me play the
relationship counselor.

To the media: Cover Sarah Palin if you want, but stop acting
as if she's the most important conservative politician in
America. Stop pretending that she has a plausible path to the
presidency in 2012. (She doesn't.)

Stop suggesting that she's the front-runner for the Republican
nomination. (She isn't.) And every time you're tempted to
parse her tweets for some secret code or crucial dog whistle,
stop and think, this woman has fewer Twitter followers than
Ben Stiller, and then go write about something else instead.

To Palin: You were an actual politician once (remember that?),
but you're becoming the kind of caricature that your enemies
have always tried to make of you. So maybe it's time to turn
off your iPad for a while, and take a break from Facebook and
Fox News.

The world won't end if you don't respond to every criticism,
and you might even win a few more admirers if you cultivated a
lighter touch and a more above-the-fray persona. Oh, and when
that reality-TV producer sends you a pitch for "Sarah
Plus Five Plus Kate Plus Eight," just say no.

Breaking up is hard to do, of course.

But for the majority of Americans who are neither Palinoiacs
nor Palinistas, here's the good news: If the press (including
this columnist!) and Sarah Palin can't quit each other, you
can still quit us.

Ross Douthat's column is distributed by the New York Times
News Service.
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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 10:58 AM
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8. I just don't see any wins...
1) It gets us angry
2) It gets us sad
3) It takes the focus off of our own message and onto theirs
4) It encourages the media infatuation with folks who should just disappear (Palin, Beck, etc.)

How many times on DU do we see folks posting about "fuming," wanting to "puke," etc. It just doesn't seem to be accomplishing anything positive. And this isn't focused on DU, it's just where I've observed it obviously. I just think we as a political party and a political movement are better served by not listening and watching the very dredge that we so vehemently disagree with.
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northoftheborder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 10:58 AM
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9. excellent column. well said.
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northoftheborder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 10:56 AM
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7. Dear newtothegame,
I agree 1000% with what you said about wasting time quoting everything these rightwing wads say. We are just magnifying their effect. I do not listen to them, talk about them, hate to hear their nasty lies. Lets be more proactive and positive with our own goals.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 11:04 AM
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10. Whenever we listen and comment we are feeding into the divisive R/D campaign
which keeps us focused on minutia rather than the big problem: capitalism. Rec.
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MedicalAdmin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 11:08 AM
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11. IT's beyond not gained - it's criminally stupid.
I never read any posts about any of the meat puppets. THey are, to my life, irrelevant.

I do read and respond to calls to action. Frankly 4chan gets more done than we do. Sometimes DU feels like a circular firing squad to me. But I love the logic, passion, and bonhomie that this site represent.




I'm posting from deep in the belly of the beast (Bachmann - (R - dumbfuckistan) is my rep).
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 11:09 AM
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12. No, nothing. It just makes us go backwards and remained mired in mud
Edited on Tue Jan-18-11 11:10 AM by Catherina
I automatically hide all those threads because they're a waste of time that prevents us from discussing and working on important issues. I think that's the whole point of all that noise.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 11:37 AM
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13. Because you can't ignore violent threats n/t
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 11:51 AM
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14. During the Bush/Cheney Reign of Error
we never heard one word from left-of-center voices.
Moore, Zinn, Chomsky, Sanders, Van den Heuval were essentially barred from television.
After Obama was elected we get Boner, Palin, Beck, Rush 24/7.

Why was the opposition ignored for 8 years and now every word that Palin tweets is the lead story?

It's corporate proaganda, pure and simple.

MSNBC also needs to ignore these idiots and give our people more air time.

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felix_numinous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 11:53 AM
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15. There is a fine line between monitoring and fascination
-which is why I cannot be one to 'monitor' these people, they're too toxic.

I think a more effective way to deal with these folks is to concentrate your life force and intent on who is behind these people. I would love to see this board more empty of their toxic left-baiting screed, because if it reaches our ears and we react to it, that uses up some of our attention and energy for the day, that is exactly what they wish.

We have to be cognizant of the purpose of left-baiting--it is to incite and divide us from other Americans, to turn people within our own country against each other by making us hate huge groups of people, when the guilty are just individuals. We have to concentrate our energy on the key individuals responsible for destabilizing our country, with the goal of getting these toxic people off the airwaves, and the individuals who respond by breaking laws of the land in response.
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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 11:57 AM
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16. On TV when they bring up Palin, I change channel
enuf is enuf of her.

Same with the other 2, and Riley and the other Fox people as well. Never watch or listen to.

Lannie Davis was starting to get on my nerves guesting on MSNBC calling out progressives out for everything wrong on the planet; glad he went to FOX where he belongs.
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 11:57 AM
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17. Yeah...let's get back to trashing Democrats on a daily basis.
That's been extremely productive.

Focus people, FOCUS!!
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 12:42 PM
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18. This is all a part of the "National Debate"
People read some of what is written here and use it to formulate new concepts and arguments to further the "National Debate" on whatever issues are in the limelight at the time..It is important to get all sides of any issue but it is not important to hear the smears and LIES thrown into the mix..Limbough and Beck are known mainly for the smears and Lies part of the noise..
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 01:10 PM
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19. No. All their verbal diarhhea sounds (and smells) the same.
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firehorse Donating Member (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 01:18 PM
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20. collecting evidence of their hyprocisy is important
because we live in a world of misinformation, lies, etc. And they are dispensing the hate koolaid.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-11 03:56 AM
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21. Nope, we don't. n/t
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-11 04:00 AM
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22. I do: raw material to make things
:D

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