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DavidDvorkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 12:56 PM Original message |
Why Guy Fawkes? |
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dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
1. Take care of talking |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 09:32 AM Response to Reply #1 |
61. All: Isn't it ironic that the OP, in criticizing left for appropriating symbols, has an "A" avatar? |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
2. It's just a symbol, not a manifesto. |
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Lex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 01:05 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Yes, I was just going to say that symbols are rarely perfect |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
3. Why do you hate bonfires? |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
5. Not only that, but he was a minor figure in the plot stupid enough to be caught when others were not |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
6. I think it's less what he stood for than what he stood against. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 02:37 PM Response to Reply #6 |
43. He stood against allowing Protestants freedom to worship in England (nt) |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 02:40 PM Response to Reply #6 |
46. But Guy Fawkes is the moral equivalent of Tim McVeigh |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 05:35 PM Response to Reply #6 |
50. Fawkes was not exactly a civil libertarian. (nt) |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
7. Because big-budget Warner Brothers films are as close to art as most people are |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 09:29 AM Response to Reply #7 |
60. V For Vendetta is a Graphic Novel, not a Warner Brothers movie. |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 09:38 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Yes, as a comics fan I am well aware of that, |
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Lint Head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
8. Fawkes is a symbol of one person standing against the system. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 01:25 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. even though his purpose was to restore the power of the multinational Catholic church |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #13 |
33. Never mind that the government of Fawkes time forbade Catholics |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 02:24 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. The point is that, for freedom of religion, he was no better than those he wanted to kill |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 02:28 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. No one says he was for freedom of religion - he was just a pissed off guy. |
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DavidDvorkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 01:32 PM Response to Reply #8 |
17. But he wasn't doing that |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 01:35 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Not if they were Catholic. n/t |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
9. Because we are secretly anarchist-theocrats, even though that is a contradiction. nt |
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ChandlerJr (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
10. Because he had the coolest mask |
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NightWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
11. who else ya got? We'd look pretty goofy in Ben Franklin masks? |
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DavidDvorkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 01:27 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Wat Tyler |
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dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 01:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
24. Goofy masks would be cool though. |
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Chan790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 09:46 AM Response to Reply #11 |
63. John Brown. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
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eShirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
15. do you also complain about Robin Hood, Saint Nicholas, Jesus? |
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DavidDvorkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 01:33 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. If it's appropriate to do so, yes. |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
16. Way to miss a point. |
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Courtesy Flush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
18. A bit of trivia |
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geardaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 01:42 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. "He became a folk hero" |
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Courtesy Flush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 01:51 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Maybe "anti-hero" is the word I needed. nt |
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geardaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 01:53 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. That's apt. |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 01:53 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. I believe... |
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geardaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. That's probably true. |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 02:49 PM Response to Reply #18 |
47. He didn't become a folk hero |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
21. Its a symbol, a symbol of people finding the courage to stand up |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
22. Because people have seen "V" and understood its story |
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Greybnk48 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
23. Ooooooh! I like it even more now. Remember how the |
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RevStPatrick (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 02:11 PM Response to Reply #23 |
35. I did too... |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
25. I imagine one may stretch any analogy |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
27. It would appear you enjoyed the movie without understanding it. |
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Dawgs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 02:12 PM Response to Reply #27 |
36. +1. People wear the Guy Fawkes mask because of the character in the movie. |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
28. Because sometimes the system is so corrupt... |
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yawnmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
32. As was mentioned earlier, because it is a cool mask. eom |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
39. In 'V For Vendetta' the character V wears a Guy Fawkes mask |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
40. And it's a symbol that the movie completely watered down |
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hugo_from_TN (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
41. He is the epitomy of a failure. |
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LeftinOH (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
42. Why are all those people wearing Patrick Stewart masks? |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 02:40 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. He said "Make it so". |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
44. lurk moar |
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FarCenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
48. 8 Historic Symbols That Mean The Opposite of What You Think |
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Riftaxe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
49. Are you doubting those conformists who choose |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 09:51 AM Response to Reply #49 |
64. And yet you claim to be educated than they are, yet you DON'T know V is a famous novel by Alan Moore |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 09:52 AM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Oh, but of course it's a graphic novel |
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Riftaxe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 06:19 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. That mask is not designed by moore and |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
51. Umm...Gladiator was about revenge. |
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MedleyMisty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
52. Anonymous took the movie V as a symbol |
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Huey P. Long (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 05:47 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Really. I think the fact it bugs people so much, and generally those who |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 06:23 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. So you think a fascist theocracy is 'vey much like' the Oabma administration? |
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Huey P. Long (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
53. This question resurfacing again? |
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pokerfan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
56. as absurd as erecting a statue of Mel Gibson in Scotland? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
57. Why not? Symbols do change you know |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
58. The name doesn't matter. The symbol does. |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 09:22 AM Response to Original message |
59. Don't think it's actually got much to do with Guy Fawkes at this point. V & Anonymous, more like. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-02-11 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
67. why is the sky blue? |
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