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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 07:56 PM Original message |
What THINGS could you give up to make a new world? |
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MedleyMisty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 07:59 PM Response to Original message |
1. Everything |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Good response. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:01 PM Response to Original message |
3. Eating out. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:40 PM Response to Reply #3 |
25. Good one. |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:02 PM Response to Original message |
4. I'm willing to sacrifice things that I don't care about, and things that are not in my future anyway |
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B2G (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 11:39 AM Response to Reply #4 |
73. Post of the thread! |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:48 PM Response to Reply #73 |
100. Thank you. |
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RagAss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:02 PM Response to Original message |
5. The rest of the people in it. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:41 PM Response to Reply #5 |
27. You're a character in "Pearls Before Swine", aren't you? |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 09:32 PM Response to Reply #5 |
43. Maybe not all of the rest of them. Maybe only 85% of them. |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:03 PM Response to Original message |
6. Actually your three look pretty doable for me |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:05 PM Response to Original message |
7. if the 1% would share most us would not have to make any changes at all nt |
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handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:30 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. ouch |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:37 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Also, if we make a transition to some sort of radical alternative |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:35 PM Response to Reply #7 |
19. Yeah...but it looks like they won't. So it may come to bringing them down |
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kelly1mm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 01:10 PM Response to Reply #7 |
84. Actually, global per capita GDP is at $10,700 per person if distributed |
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Gamow (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
8. I don't understand why #3? Home ownership seems like the basis of a strong society. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:08 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. I said #3 because it strikes me as one of the best ways to strike a blow against |
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Gamow (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:16 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. How about we just pay the middle class enough to own? |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:44 AM Response to Reply #9 |
61. seems to me that the landlord class would love it |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 06:01 PM Response to Reply #61 |
94. You are assuming we'd still have "the landlord class" as we currently know it. |
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Rabblevox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
10. I could give up almost any THINGS, but I'm sick of giving up RIGHTS. /nt |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:54 PM Response to Reply #10 |
33. Agreed. |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:14 PM Response to Original message |
11. 1 and 2 gone would be an improvement. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
12. Take a look at a home from 1800. That's the level we need to have to make the world sustainable. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:21 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. 1800? Seriously? |
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handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:36 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. it is all about perception |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:38 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. So was Monticello |
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handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:44 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. mine woud be a bit smaller |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:53 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. That's ok. |
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Laluchacontinua (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 12:58 PM Response to Reply #20 |
107. that's likely a house of the 1% of their time |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:38 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. It depends if you want sustainability or not. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:41 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Can't see or smell the horseshit in that picture.. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 09:31 PM Response to Reply #28 |
40. I know, but we're getting there from here. The future is wind turbines, not horseshit, right? |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 10:37 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. The future is unknowable.. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 11:23 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Regarding singularities |
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handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:32 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. must say... |
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Raine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:24 PM Response to Original message |
15. Nothing ... I'm not giving up a single thing until I see the 1% |
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Courtesy Flush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 09:31 PM Response to Reply #15 |
41. That was my reaction |
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guitar man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 11:29 PM Response to Reply #15 |
52. Right on |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
18. This is a great OP. My wife and I are currently deciding whether |
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handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:40 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. working cooperatively |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:45 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. That sounds eminently sane. Most DUers, I'd suspect, are |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:39 PM Response to Original message |
24. Everything - as long as the 1% gives it up too (whether willingly or not). nt |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:42 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. Fair enough |
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jtuck004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
34. 3)Any chance of home ownership? |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 09:16 PM Response to Original message |
35. I already gave up on the car thing. In Los Angeles. You want more?? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 05:09 PM Response to Reply #35 |
120. Obviously, if you have nothing to give up, the question doesn't apply. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
36. Yeah what would we give up so we can being down the rich and be equally less comfortable. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 09:22 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. If you're rich you might view it that way - |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 09:30 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. So what is stopping you? |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 07:46 AM Response to Reply #39 |
62. "I'm not rich. Alot of DUers are richer than I am" |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 07:55 AM Response to Reply #38 |
63. My wife's latest contribution to the Movement: |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:14 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Beautiful - and exactly correct! :) nt |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:29 AM Response to Reply #64 |
68. We hope to deploy it this weekend at Occupy Los Angeles - n/t |
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renate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 01:02 PM Response to Reply #63 |
83. that's absolutely gorgeous! |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 09:19 PM Response to Original message |
37. not much |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 09:32 PM Response to Original message |
42. I already live rather minimally, it's difficult to think of what else I could live without. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 09:47 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Toilet paper is the big one most people come up with. |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 10:08 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Toilet paper - so I'm not alone on my bottom (so to speak) line. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 11:11 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. One of the problems the developed world doesn't realize it has yet |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:01 AM Response to Reply #49 |
53. Thank you for your wonderful post, well said. I totally agree with every bit of it. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:23 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Yes. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:43 AM Response to Reply #49 |
60. +1 -- k/r |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 01:41 PM Response to Reply #42 |
87. You have 10 acres of land and you call that "living minimally"?! |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 04:34 PM Response to Reply #87 |
92. I hardly "claim exclusitivity", it came already well-inhabited by deer, foxes, hares, & innumerable |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 07:39 PM Response to Reply #92 |
97. When that 650 sq ft of living space is a downtown apartment |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 09:01 PM Response to Reply #97 |
101. I really don't get what your point is, you simply sound resentful to me. n/t |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 08:34 AM Response to Reply #101 |
102. Whatever. |
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Abin Sur (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 09:32 AM Response to Reply #87 |
122. How's this for a possible justification? |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
44. For me. |
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brooklynite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 10:16 PM Response to Original message |
47. Will every house be exactly the same? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 11:13 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. No, it wouldn't be like Stalinism. |
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brooklynite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 09:01 AM Response to Reply #50 |
71. That tells me nothing... |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 02:21 PM Response to Reply #71 |
89. I'm not sure I want to engage with you |
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brooklynite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 06:34 PM Response to Reply #89 |
96. Your choice... |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 07:41 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. There can be a lot of different ways of housing people |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 09:48 AM Response to Reply #71 |
123. lol |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:15 AM Response to Original message |
54. I'd like to see goods made that are not "disposible" (but are recyclable) |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 06:02 PM Response to Reply #54 |
95. At some point, we need to make the leap, in at least some things |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:16 AM Response to Original message |
55. Travel. |
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bigmonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:27 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Travel in trains and boats is relatively low-impact environmentally. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:19 AM Response to Reply #57 |
65. Evidently you've never owned a boat.. |
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bigmonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 10:43 AM Response to Reply #65 |
72. I was thinking of sailboats. |
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Abin Sur (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:24 AM Response to Reply #55 |
67. I you want to stop traveling, fine. That's your choice, after all. |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #67 |
78. Then enjoy your new carbon dioxide atmosphere. |
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Abin Sur (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 12:27 PM Response to Reply #78 |
104. What restrictions do you want mandated on the ability of people to travel, |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 12:36 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. Volunary. Intelligence. |
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Abin Sur (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 12:50 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. Well, I certainly haven't the slightest objection to anyone trying to persuade others |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 01:38 PM Response to Reply #106 |
112. It's shortsighted if not selfish to see it that way. |
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Abin Sur (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 09:27 AM Response to Reply #112 |
121. I guess I'm selfish, then. |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:40 AM Response to Original message |
58. I'd hate to give up fresh fruits and veggies in the winter |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:42 AM Response to Original message |
59. There's an old saying that you can only own what you can carry on your back ... !! |
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Cerebral Assassin (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:20 AM Response to Original message |
66. Old advice |
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Abin Sur (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
69. How do you do without consumer choice at the grocery store without |
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HappyMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:44 AM Response to Original message |
70. I really don't have a whole lot of things. |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
74. I'd give things up to prevent the destruction of this world. |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
75. Honestly, and this may sound totally naive, but here are my thoughts: |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 05:58 PM Response to Reply #75 |
93. Well, yes there could and should be abundance |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
76. Good post. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
77. SO MANY people are frightened of OWS bringing about a new social |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
79. I am more picky than you in the food choices |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 05:08 PM Response to Reply #79 |
119. That's a great response. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
80. Now on a more less self centered response |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
81. I'm willing to give up a lot, but I don't think it would be necessary. Many would have MORE. |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
82. I'd give up the chance to be uber-wealthy |
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saras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
85. The concept of 'disposable'. The concept of 'consumer' |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 05:06 PM Response to Reply #85 |
116. Good post. |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
86. Great post. |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
88. I am not going to give up shit, because it won't make a damn bit of difference |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 02:23 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. I wasn't reducing it solely to individual sacrifice |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 02:46 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. I'm sorry, I guess I was confused by a subject line that read |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 05:07 PM Response to Reply #88 |
118. How exactly does TJ pollute the rio grande? |
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Tashca (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 07:59 PM Response to Original message |
99. New world......three thing I would give up |
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NuttyFluffers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 09:40 AM Response to Original message |
103. life. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 05:07 PM Response to Reply #103 |
117. None at all. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
108. Mosquitoes |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
109. Hmmm... |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
110. The chance to make money from privatized essential services. |
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Abin Sur (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 01:36 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. I disagree about the quality of our military forces. |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 03:19 PM Response to Reply #111 |
113. I'm thinking of electrocuting soldiers in their showers and serving moldy food to our troops. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
114. A new world is not created by offering sacrifices, it is created by making demands. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 05:05 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. I wasn't saying demands weren't going to be the main thing |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
124. i can give up about all. but i am married and it is a whole different story with hubby |
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