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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:22 AM Original message |
That 99% figure is being whittled away as folks demand fealty to one issue/belief or the other |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:26 AM Response to Original message |
1. I too am concerned that OWS doesn't appear to have any obvious leaders that TPTB can target.. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:28 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. that's just silly |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:30 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. So you're saying that TPTB *wouldn't* target obvious leaders of OWS? |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:35 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. are you saying that there's no one with enough courage and temerity |
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Downwinder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:46 AM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Present day US warfare is based upon decapitation. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:53 AM Response to Reply #5 |
17. I'm saying that giving TPTB that which they most desperately want would be a strategic mistake.. |
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Downwinder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:32 AM Response to Original message |
4. Anything is better than nothing. I have heard complaints |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:38 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. well I also 'support' OWS |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:58 AM Response to Reply #8 |
18. Deleted message |
Downwinder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 09:05 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. The only group I know of that requires people to sign onto |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 09:17 AM Response to Reply #18 |
26. I got the 'idea' from folks here jumping on dissenters |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 09:21 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. The strange thing is that there are people who act the same way about President Obama.. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 09:30 AM Response to Reply #29 |
34. that's Loco |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 09:38 AM Response to Reply #34 |
40. There is more than one person pushing that agenda here.. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 09:38 AM Response to Reply #34 |
41. No, that is what 'DU' says. If what some poster says to you is |
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Downwinder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 09:30 AM Response to Reply #26 |
33. Whats to dissent from? A spontaneous protest movement. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 09:33 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. small dissents, even internal ones |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 09:33 AM Response to Reply #26 |
38. Deleted message |
bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 09:43 AM Response to Reply #38 |
43. there was 'dissent' among civil rights protestors |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 09:58 AM Response to Reply #43 |
48. I just can not understand why you expect full agreement. |
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a simple pattern (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 11:43 AM Response to Reply #8 |
63. I know. What *are* they protesting about, anyway? |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:35 AM Response to Original message |
6. When I published a preliminary list of Occupy Los Angeles' |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:39 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. ha |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:47 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Not sure I take your point - that thread, far from whittling down |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:50 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. a lot of seemingly well-intentioned folks took hits on that thread |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 09:03 AM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Oh, for goodness' sake, people here at DU need to take a |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 09:13 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. that would be fine and dandy |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 09:18 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Just out of curiosity, have you had a chance to visit an Occupy |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 09:26 AM Response to Reply #27 |
32. I did |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 09:31 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. I should have been more specific in my question and I do |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 09:46 AM Response to Reply #35 |
45. no committee attendance |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 09:57 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Check my journal for my reports on 2 weekends' worth of |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 09:50 AM Response to Reply #9 |
46. With only three deleted messages, I'm not sure what you mean |
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tcaudilllg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 09:08 AM Response to Reply #6 |
22. I hope you don't believe that General Assembly counts for shit. |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 09:22 AM Response to Reply #22 |
30. The General Assembly is at the core of the Occupy Movement. If |
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tcaudilllg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 11:32 AM Response to Reply #30 |
60. Is this an up and coming dictatorship? |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 02:13 PM Response to Reply #60 |
75. Hunh? WTF? The Occupy Los Angeles General Assembly speaks |
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tcaudilllg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 02:34 PM Response to Reply #60 |
76. Good to know I'm being ignored by idiots. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:37 AM Response to Original message |
7. Think of 99% as being people who are not in the 1% of top income. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:43 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. that's what I understood |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:48 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. I'm not sure it's about beliefs. In other words, if someone |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 09:08 AM Response to Reply #13 |
23. see |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 10:17 AM Response to Reply #23 |
49. In Pragmatism, which is often claimed for the President by his |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 10:31 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. compromise is inherent in our political system -- so is argument |
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tcaudilllg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 11:38 AM Response to Reply #52 |
61. I'm tired of people arguing with the future of myself and those I care about. |
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a simple pattern (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 11:55 AM Response to Reply #52 |
67. It's not at all pluralistic and that is exactly and precisely what the problem is. |
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tcaudilllg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 02:35 PM Response to Reply #67 |
77. Right, this is not democracy. It is anarchy. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 08:46 AM Response to Reply #23 |
86. In other words, it's protesting economic injustices. |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 09:42 AM Response to Reply #7 |
42. Yes, though advocating to better the conditions of the 99% doesn't require |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 08:50 AM Response to Reply #42 |
87. Yep. |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
15. Nothing new, really... |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
16. You can not take the opinions of individuals on DU as being |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 10:37 AM Response to Reply #16 |
54. +1 |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 09:02 AM Response to Original message |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 09:19 AM Response to Reply #19 |
28. with you or against you? |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 09:26 AM Response to Reply #19 |
31. Well...yeah.... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
25. Deleted message |
Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
37. No one here is speaking for the OWS movement, they are speaking for themselves |
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gulliver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
39. The OWS movement and the 99% are two different things. |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 09:44 AM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Yes, that's an important distinction. n/t |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
50. Can you specify one of these issues for which fealty is demanded |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 10:46 AM Response to Reply #50 |
55. it's going to fall short and seem contrived |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:15 PM Response to Reply #50 |
72. Of course not. |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
51. 99% was never more than an empty slogan in any case. N.T. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
53. Deleted message |
bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 10:48 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. wow, you're back at it again |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 11:47 AM Response to Reply #56 |
64. So are you...another negative OP about OWS |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 11:57 AM Response to Reply #64 |
68. I actually posted two remarkably supportive ones |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:01 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Let's see... |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:09 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. you misread the paragraph, or simply mischaracterized it. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:12 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. What an ironic post. |
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randome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 10:48 AM Response to Reply #53 |
57. Do you have figures on how much it's growing? |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
58. Don't worry, there will be more come on board until there is some real change. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 11:01 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. definitely not a fad |
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redgiant (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
62. Excellent post n/t |
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Johnson20 (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
65. Thank God that |
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zalinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
66. OWS is like like many revolts against occupiers |
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Magoo48 (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
73. Our system of everyone having a say is busted. |
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tcaudilllg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 03:30 PM Response to Reply #73 |
83. Oh yeah? Well go to a county party meeting, and speak up for yourself. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
74. How funny! |
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Hutzpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 02:41 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. These folks are so used to the authoritarian system that |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
78. The OWS movement can only credibly speak for the 99% IF they concentrate ONLY on the economic and |
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Hutzpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
80. awww you need a father figure |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 02:58 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. Right on the money. |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
82. I think one legitimate concern people have with progressive rallies |
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tcaudilllg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 03:36 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Pot legalization is NOT on the progressive agenda. |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 03:41 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. But they do show up at the rallies. n/t |
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