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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 01:32 PM Original message |
This is one of the most important articles I've come across in a while. |
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rurallib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
1. he who owns the present owns the past; he who owns the past owns the future |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
2. Post. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
3. The truth is that it took a whole lot of people to get us in to this mess including banks |
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Alameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 11:10 AM Response to Reply #3 |
43. the point of investing used to be, you believed in the company |
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russspeakeasy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 11:56 AM Response to Reply #3 |
48. It took thousands and we have prosecuted 4. |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
4. The real problem is that citizens gave up their personal responsibility. They trusted someone else. |
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BlueIris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 02:00 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. +1. |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 02:33 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Really? Gosh. |
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dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 04:39 PM Response to Reply #5 |
16. ditto. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 03:32 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. what? |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 03:37 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. I just knew there was something wrong with my logic. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 04:32 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. The people did not give themselves the loans. nt |
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sad sally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 04:54 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. Don't worry - your bridge is there and has merit. |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 05:17 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. An excellent argument between two of the best DUers |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 10:46 PM Response to Reply #18 |
32. Agree both have merit |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 05:40 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. The bridge you are missing is this: |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 11:15 AM Response to Reply #19 |
45. +1 |
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PETRUS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 10:28 PM Response to Reply #11 |
30. About personal responsibility. |
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sofa king (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 06:51 AM Response to Reply #11 |
36. You were still in the middle. |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 12:01 PM Response to Reply #11 |
49. Sigh... |
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xxqqqzme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 12:57 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. Excellent post. |
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hue (571 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 12:19 PM Response to Reply #11 |
52. IMHO the reality is inclusive---> You are both right. |
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Jenny_92808 (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 10:38 PM Response to Reply #10 |
31. Excellent post Warren "The game is rigged" |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #10 |
55. +1 |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 06:15 PM Response to Reply #4 |
22. +1 more. |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 06:50 PM Response to Reply #4 |
24. Yes, another element that added to the boom, real estate was going up in value too fast ... |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 12:45 AM Response to Reply #4 |
33. But you go to banks to get a loan and assume they have some expertise in |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 07:18 AM Response to Reply #4 |
37. Some citizens gave up their personal responsibility -- not all. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 11:17 AM Response to Reply #37 |
46. +1 |
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bongbong (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 11:55 AM Response to Reply #4 |
47. Fundamental flaw in your argument |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #47 |
60. It is the same. |
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bongbong (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 02:26 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. I don't agree |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 03:23 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. OK, so what we're talkng about here is protection for the uninformed. |
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Jim_Shorts (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 12:22 PM Response to Reply #4 |
53. Hedge funds were B-E-G-G-I-N-G mortgage originators for risky loans |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 12:49 PM Response to Reply #4 |
54. That's why OWS/99% are going to take control of government. |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
6. Thank you for posting this. It's one of the most concise... |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
7. Excellent article. |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 12:12 PM Response to Reply #7 |
51. Too bad |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 02:44 PM Response to Original message |
9. Also listen to this 15 minute audio clip.... |
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nenagh (657 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
12. That is such an understandable summary of the financial crisis.. |
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Cowpunk (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 07:09 PM Response to Reply #12 |
25. You're joking, right? |
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LuckyLib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 01:49 PM Response to Reply #25 |
59. This is it. Short, sweet, and we would hope understandable to the Faux anesthetized America. |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
13. HUGE K & R !!! |
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edhopper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
14. I read Ritholtz regularly |
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nilram (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 06:00 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. yup, good guy. k&r. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 10:25 AM Response to Reply #21 |
42. definitely ...a good guy...K&R! |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 05:54 PM Response to Original message |
20. A good article, and good to see the WP is still capable of publishing something decent |
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Cowpunk (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
23. HELLO?! This big lie has been the right wing mantra since day fucking one. |
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SpiralHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 07:17 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. True - the Republicons, knowing how guilty they are, have repeated this lie ceaselessly |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 06:47 AM Response to Reply #26 |
35. republicons? |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 01:11 PM Response to Reply #35 |
57. Seriously, anyone who thinks the Dems are innocent, and that most definitely includes Obama, |
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Hotler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 07:51 PM Response to Original message |
27. k&r n/t |
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Cowpunk (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
28. Yes, spread around another long explanation filled with financial gobbledygook |
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PETRUS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 10:23 PM Response to Original message |
29. K&R |
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Lizzie Poppet (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 01:24 AM Response to Original message |
34. Superb |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 08:31 AM Response to Original message |
38. It is a very well-written article. |
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Electric Monk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-08-11 08:54 PM Response to Reply #38 |
67. Yes (kick) nt |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 09:41 AM Response to Original message |
39. Monday morning kick |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
40. Great article. |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
41. Bookmarking! K&R!!! n/t |
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suegeo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
44. Short selling |
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Beavker (784 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
50. The 'dumb' borrowers are the only ones really paying for this. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 02:01 PM Response to Reply #50 |
62. The rest of us are suffering too... |
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DaveJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
58. Bloomberg: "Congress who forced everybody to go and give mortgages to people who were on the cusp" |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
61. Now they are trying to double down on the failed philosophy that helped cause the crisis.. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
63. I am invisible in this crisis... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
64. Also see Catherine Austin Fitts on financial coup -- Google/YouTube -- |
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