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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:09 AM Original message |
Why some of us have complicated feelings about Joe Paterno |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
1. This is going to go good |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:13 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. I am not a football fan, but I am from PA, and grew up knowing who this man was-- |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:16 AM Response to Reply #4 |
53. I really hate it when people explaining what they DO feel |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 01:10 PM Response to Reply #53 |
65. +1 |
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HopeHoops (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
2. Yeah, I've got feelings about it too - I wish they'd get that shit off the front page and put it |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:30 AM Response to Reply #2 |
21. +1 |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:34 AM Response to Reply #21 |
26. Deleted message |
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
3. he knew kids were being fucked and he allowed the man to continue to be with kids |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:20 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. +1000. Unbelievable. |
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frazzled (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
5. I just have to question why people care so much about a football coach |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:27 AM Response to Reply #5 |
20. "Our national obsession with sports bewilders me." Yeah, it bewildered the unathletic Greeks 2000 |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:31 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. i was a highly competitive athlete. my whole family is into athletics. it is awesome |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:38 AM Response to Reply #23 |
30. +1 |
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frazzled (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:41 AM Response to Reply #20 |
31. Then why don't you care so much about classical ballet or other forms of dance? |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:15 AM Response to Reply #31 |
49. Whom do you think you're speaking to? FTR: I attended every PSU gymanastic meet in my 4 years there. |
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frazzled (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:20 AM Response to Reply #49 |
57. I do think it's a story |
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renate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 12:11 PM Response to Reply #5 |
62. I literally could not care less about football |
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piratefish08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
6. i think you are overcomplicating child rape. |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:17 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. ^^^This. And no one should have any problem "coming to grips" |
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piratefish08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:19 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. anybody that needs even a second to come to grips needs to take a long hard look at their own |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:22 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. it is truly amazing isnt it. i have bottom lined it to simple. cant get |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
10. OK that explains it... |
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piratefish08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:23 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. people aren't throwing vitriol because he's a Republican - it's because he a |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:23 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. NO. allowing a man who fucks kids to continue to e around kids is the PROBLEM. |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:56 AM Response to Reply #15 |
39. It goes beyond that, actually... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:04 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. 1998 he KNEW the man was naked in shower with kid hugging him. at that point, right there |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:10 AM Original message |
I don't personally know |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
50. if you knew a man was raping kids, would you allow him unsupervised access to kids? |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 01:15 PM Response to Reply #39 |
66. Really? You think that little of the people you share a board with? |
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Demit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:27 AM Response to Reply #10 |
19. You think the vitriol is because of his political affiliation? That's warped. |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:45 AM Response to Reply #19 |
33. Yeah, actually I do, "sick" or not... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:48 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. so it does not matter what people say to you. you will ignore them and dismiss their |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:06 AM Response to Reply #36 |
42. I'm sure many people here knew |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:08 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. he did commit a crime. he committed a crime against children. he allowed a known rapist of kids |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:22 AM Response to Reply #44 |
58. Actually, unless and until |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 12:14 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. as an adult, i would not let a man free access to a child if i even suspected, let alone KNOW, that |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 01:17 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. Just admit it. It's because he's a Republican!!!! |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 01:26 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. i know. no matter how slowly and loud i talk. |
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Demit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 01:58 PM Response to Reply #58 |
72. You don't know what was in Paterno's mind, but you know what's in DUers' minds. |
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enlightenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:35 AM Response to Reply #10 |
27. I think you should read the grand jury testimony. |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:47 AM Response to Reply #27 |
35. I read it, thanks n/t |
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PSUDem (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 12:04 PM Response to Reply #27 |
61. Not a trial or conviction |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:36 AM Response to Reply #10 |
29. Of course, the witness was given a choice job for the silence |
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Demit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
12. That football program was his life. He didn't want to jeopardize the program or his position |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
13. Look; I'm a grad; I "bleed Blue and White"; my house has an entire PSU room, with a signed Lydell |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
16. There's really no way to nuance covering up a child rapist. |
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asjr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
17. If you and your father were encouraged by |
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tularetom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
18. Football coaches in general are not people I would want as friends |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
22. Like most people on Earth, I never heard of your hero until |
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butterfly77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
24. Tell me.. |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
25. There shouldn't be anything to be conflicted about -a football team shouldn't |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
28. Back off with the righteous put downs to this OP |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:45 AM Response to Reply #28 |
32. your comments is exactly the reason boys continued to be raped. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:03 AM Response to Reply #32 |
40. Total Bullshit |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:46 AM Response to Reply #28 |
34. Wow, really? You're telling people to "back off" why, exactly? |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:16 AM Response to Reply #34 |
52. Only about the put downs of the OP, not about our reactions to the rapes and coverups |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:55 AM Response to Reply #28 |
59. What is the precise, relevant and objective ethical measure of those... |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 12:16 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. His contributions pale before his critical moral failure |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 01:27 PM Response to Reply #64 |
71. You see complicated emotions. I simply see rationalizations. |
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malthaussen (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
37. The moral high ground here |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:52 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. it is a long time coming watching women and now boys assaulted/harassed/raped |
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pennylane100 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
43. Do you have complicated feelings about child rapists. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:10 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. i asked the defenders, how many adults would allow a man who rapes children to continue to hang |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:10 AM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Good post, pennylane. |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
47. Are you not going to respond to any of the posts to your OP? |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
48. I thought you would say your heart is broken and your previous admiration |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:17 AM Response to Reply #48 |
54. that would be the obvious, huh. amazing. nt |
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SomethingFishy (552 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
51. Somehow I get the feeling that if this man were the janitor |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
55. But the catholic church used (and continues to use) the same excuse. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
56. it sucks finding out that people we admire and/or care about aren't all they're cracked up to be |
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pennylane100 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 01:16 PM Response to Reply #56 |
67. It really does |
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FarCenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
60. What does Penn State have besides football? |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
69. No University, no footbal team, no money, no coach is more important than the life of a child. |
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adigal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
73. You can do many good things, but doing something so bad, |
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