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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:24 AM Original message |
Why can't Obama give a straight answer to the "Are corporations people" question? |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
1. Corporations are big donors and like any politician Obama |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:34 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. +1000000! |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:48 AM Response to Reply #4 |
17. x2 |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:14 AM Response to Reply #1 |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:24 AM Response to Reply #1 |
37. Obama does not accept corporate donations. Neither does the DNC. nt |
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former9thward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:41 AM Response to Reply #37 |
42. He doesn't accept them because they have been illegal for 100 years now. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:49 AM Original message |
Well, |
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former9thward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
47. Are you seriously saying Obama does not accept money from top executives? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 12:33 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. A |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 12:16 PM Response to Reply #37 |
49. But he knows and respects what they could do to him in 2012. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:36 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. It depends on your definition of 'is' |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
3. His answer would not sit well with the base. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
6. because the democratic party, is just as loving of corporations |
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Swede (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
7. Obama is evil |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:51 AM Response to Reply #7 |
19. Lots of this going on, eh?...nt |
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11 Bravo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:27 AM Response to Reply #19 |
39. I can't wait until he's our nominee in the GE, and all this bullshit gets TSed. |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 12:16 PM Response to Reply #39 |
50. a post like this won't get TS'd.. |
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11 Bravo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 04:44 PM Response to Reply #50 |
77. Sorry, Sparky, but my day can NEVER be ruined by an anonymous schmuck on an internet message board. |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 07:19 PM Response to Reply #77 |
83. well good for you, sport! |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
8. That just sucks. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
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Coyote_Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
10. His answer tells you all you need to know |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
11. Here's the transcript |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:44 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Spoken like a true Senator... |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:46 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Well, |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:48 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Yep. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:01 AM Response to Reply #18 |
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sad sally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 01:58 PM Response to Reply #18 |
66. Spoken like a tried and true politician. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:01 AM Response to Reply #11 |
24. Thanks |
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Admiral Loinpresser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 02:55 AM Response to Reply #11 |
94. Obama's response is tripe. n/t |
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LiberalArkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
13. His masters have not told him what to say. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
14. Hand meets glove. Welcome to the land of Trickle Down Politics. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:13 AM Response to Reply #14 |
32. What part of the President's answer had ANYTHING to do with supporting trickle down? |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:16 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. What part of the President's answer had ANYTHING to do with the question? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:36 AM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Every single part of it. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:55 AM Response to Reply #40 |
46. Oh bullshit, it was a yes or no question.. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 12:54 PM Response to Reply #46 |
57. Its a stupid question in which a yes or no the answer has no value. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 01:05 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. It would only have taken a few more words to answer the question directly.. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 04:42 PM Response to Reply #61 |
76. If you want the valid, technical answer, then no, of course not. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 04:48 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. In other words he was trying to avoid attacks from the right wing.. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 05:19 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. More like avoiding pissing off everyone else that doesn't see things the way you do. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 05:42 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. But it's OK for him to piss me off is what you're saying.. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
16. The President is under the corporations just like the Congress and Courts. |
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frazzled (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
20. No one criticized the Citizens United decision more than Obama |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:03 AM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Part of that speech is in my signature |
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former9thward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #20 |
43. Citizens United did not give corporations and unions "personhood". |
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frazzled (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 01:52 PM Response to Reply #43 |
64. Yes, personhood of corporations was absolutely invoked in Citizen's United-- |
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former9thward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 03:04 PM Response to Reply #64 |
75. Yes that was the basis of the dissent. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 08:36 PM Response to Reply #20 |
90. Corporate personhood did not begin with Citizens United and would be a mountain of an issue without |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
21. Recced to "0" |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
22. Because he doesn't want to anger his campaign donors nor the Democratic base. |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
26. He's sponsored by the corporate empire! n/t |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
27. that says a lot |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:15 AM Response to Reply #27 |
34. He said that corporations shouldn't be getting special tax breaks and special exemptions and their.. |
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lame54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
28. you should say corporations are evil |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
29. they're damn good people when they funnel $$$$$$$$$$$ to your political campaign |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
31. There was absolutely nothing wrong with his answer and it lasted less than a minute. |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
36. Read this and maybe you will understand it better? |
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Sheepshank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
38. Corporations pay income tax as if they are a person.... |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
41. That's some real, real bad shit right there. |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 12:33 PM Response to Reply #41 |
54. But they are... |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 01:07 PM Response to Reply #54 |
63. Owning slaves was legal at one time... |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 02:32 PM Response to Reply #63 |
71. Really, that is where you go with this.... |
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Magoo48 (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
44. IMO.....a one word answer would have been quite powerful... |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
45. K&R n/t |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
48. He's a law professor. The answer is "Sometimes, yes. In some ways..." |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
51. Ah. Now I get it. Nt |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
52. Because legally speaking, corporations are people... |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 12:35 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. People, by definition, are mortal. nt |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 12:38 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Well no shit... |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Corporations, not being mortal, would seem therefore to enjoy MORE rights than natural people under |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 02:13 PM Response to Reply #58 |
67. It's not my logic... |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 07:30 PM Response to Reply #67 |
85. Then just cite precedent. Your attempt to *explain* this logic invites critique. |
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surrealAmerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 06:29 PM Response to Reply #58 |
82. There is no legal limit to a human lifespan. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 07:28 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. That's gibberish. Logic is the underpinning of all law. If a law is illogical, it's unjust. nt |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 01:03 PM Response to Reply #52 |
60. +1 |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 07:32 PM Response to Reply #60 |
86. What a surprise to find you so enthusiastic a supporter of corporate personhood! nt |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 09:02 PM Response to Reply #86 |
91. Is that supposed to be a slam? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 06:59 PM Response to Reply #91 |
95. "Limited liability" hasn't got a THING to do with "corporate personhood". What a surprise to find |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
59. Corporations are legal entities |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 01:06 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Many on the left don't (can't?) do reason and logic...nt |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 01:57 PM Response to Reply #62 |
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unionworks (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 02:37 PM Response to Reply #62 |
72. many on the left |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 09:06 PM Response to Reply #72 |
93. How are you oppressed by the existence of the corporate form |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 02:44 PM Response to Reply #62 |
74. Maybe. But no one on the right (can?) do reason or logic. |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 05:00 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. Yes. Many of us on the left do...nt |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 02:40 PM Response to Reply #59 |
73. While there's a lot of overly simplistic "corporations = evil" thinking... |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 09:05 PM Response to Reply #73 |
92. Obama isn't doing much but explaining |
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Huey P. Long (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
68. Is this OP question supposed to be rhetorical? I think the answer is self evident. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 02:30 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. means of painting those with opposite opinions... |
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unionworks (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
70. REALITY CHECK |
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blkmusclmachine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 07:36 PM Response to Original message |
87. Obama said some noise about the Citizens United ruling, |
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unionworks (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 08:16 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. in your honor |
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unionworks (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 08:24 PM Response to Original message |
89. "Don't punish me |
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