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kpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 10:10 AM Original message |
NYT: Reagan's Fateful Misdiagnosis |
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Stuart G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
1. Thanks For Posting, k and r.. |
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Pool Hall Ace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
2. kick |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 10:18 AM Response to Original message |
3. Good analysis. Another thank you for posting. KnR...n/t |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
4. Did he really misdiagnose, or did he know exactly what he was doing? |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 10:35 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. He stopped knowing what he was doing in the mid-'70s |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 11:57 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. He was an actor who played President. |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 04:54 PM Response to Reply #13 |
32. Hammer, meet nail. You've hit the nail on its head. nt |
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12AngryBorneoWildmen (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 06:57 PM Response to Reply #13 |
40. Don't forget Don Regan |
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AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 10:22 PM Response to Reply #13 |
49. He was an actor who played President. |
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rfranklin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 06:11 AM Response to Reply #49 |
67. He and other "conservatives" were mouthing the PR of his sponsors... |
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The Wizard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 08:30 AM Response to Reply #49 |
72. There's a book called "The Role of a Lifetime" |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 06:40 AM Response to Reply #13 |
70. Nailed it. |
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dotymed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 09:17 AM Response to Reply #13 |
75. Ex-CIA chief Bush also handled the dirty and "wet work." |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 10:38 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Both. |
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dotymed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 09:25 AM Response to Reply #8 |
77. This from a man who was a Union leader before the |
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begin_within (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #4 |
20. He misdiagnosed and he knew exactly what he was doing. |
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russspeakeasy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 05:06 PM Response to Reply #4 |
35. He NEVER knew what he was doing, NEVER. |
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deutsey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 08:38 AM Response to Reply #4 |
73. According to David Stockman, it was all very intentional n/t |
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Tennessee Gal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
5. Excellent! |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
6. Had we followed Carter's lead on energy, we'd be energy independent today. |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 10:40 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Did you know that Carter had solar panels installed on the roof of the White House? |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 11:53 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Did you know one of Bush/Reagan''s 1st moves was kicking the Dept. of Energy out of the cabinet? |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 02:32 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. No, I did not know that. |
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Beartracks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 05:54 PM Response to Reply #12 |
39. One of his others was to remove those solar panels. n/t |
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polly7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 12:31 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. Seriously? |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 01:52 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Who? Bush or Reagan? |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 02:26 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. I will hazard a guess. |
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Marie Marie (709 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 10:42 PM Response to Reply #18 |
52. They simply did not fit with Nancy's plans to redecorate the White House. |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 04:54 PM Response to Reply #9 |
31. Reagan is a moderate compared to the Republicans today. They have gone so far to the right, |
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russspeakeasy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 05:09 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. He was the tip of the turd. |
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Gabi Hayes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 12:35 PM Response to Reply #6 |
19. the ten principles set forth in Carter's 1977 amazingly prescient energy speech: |
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slay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 04:37 PM Response to Reply #19 |
29. +1 |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 07:30 PM Response to Reply #19 |
42. ah, yes. The "malaise" speech. |
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NBachers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 09:25 PM Response to Reply #19 |
48. I watched that speech in its entirety. I was a Mother Earth News-reading working-class hippie |
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dothemath (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 09:02 PM Response to Reply #6 |
45. Raygun wars |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 09:10 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Which happened right after the Lebanon Marine barracks explosion. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 01:36 AM Response to Reply #6 |
60. It's amazing how many people don't fucking get that |
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dotymed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 10:21 AM Response to Reply #60 |
80. IMO, President Carter's presidency was so ineffective because |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 04:23 AM Response to Reply #6 |
65. That all depends. Carter was big into coal and nuclear as alternatives to Mideast oil |
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libinnyandia (526 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
10. Even Reagan, as far out of touch with reality as he was, was a |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
11. He won by running as a toned down George Wallace.... |
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RufusTFirefly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 03:21 PM Response to Reply #11 |
25. Yes, he kicked off his post-convention campaign in Philadelphia, Mississippi |
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Major Nikon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 04:45 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. He won by channeling racism, but he also got some help from the neocons |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 06:00 AM Response to Reply #30 |
66. Raygun only won because of the deal with the Iranian terrorist over the hostages. |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 07:36 PM Response to Reply #11 |
43. His version implied it was a cadillac-driving *African-American woman*, even though |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
14. k&r |
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andym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
15. Let's hope that the predictions in this opinion piece are correct |
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indepat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
16. Almost every RW initiative since the 1920s has been a fateful misdiagnosis, just as is the current |
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SpiralHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
17. There you have it: Republicon fail |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
23. Try getting the Repubs to believe that diagnosis... |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
26. Recommended. |
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slay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
27. Reagan was one of the worst - if not the worst - thing to happen to this country in my lifetime |
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jaysunb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 12:44 AM Response to Reply #27 |
54. + 1 n/t |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 10:06 AM Response to Reply #27 |
78. Don't forget the Iran/Contra arms for terrorists deal |
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BlueToTheBone (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
28. Very good article. The information is |
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southmost (528 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
33. until the Reagan admin's blame for America's demise is replayed on public airways |
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DallasNE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
34. "Unprepared" |
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MedleyMisty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 10:27 PM Response to Reply #34 |
50. Don't depend on the media to tell you what to think |
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DallasNE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 02:34 AM Response to Reply #50 |
61. Obviously, I Wan't Clear Enough |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 10:10 AM Response to Reply #34 |
79. I wonder how things would have turned out if the internet had been around in the 70's. |
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benld74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
37. IF someone checks I guarantee EVERY GOP leader since him,,, |
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saras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
38. The fateful misdiagnosis: America had some problem that needed Reagan as a solution |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
41. Kicked and recommended. |
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luv_mykatz (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 08:24 PM Response to Original message |
44. K & R |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
46. k&r n/t |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
51. One of the GREATEST OP's and discussions |
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neoconn (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 12:45 AM Response to Reply #51 |
55. I second that. Tons of information I never knew |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 11:53 PM Response to Original message |
53. Electing Reagan was the biggest mistake we ever made. |
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jaysunb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 12:46 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. + 1 n/t |
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SCantiGOP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 09:21 AM Response to Reply #53 |
76. absolutely correct |
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Amonester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 12:46 AM Response to Original message |
57. Raygun, a cheap and bad actor, could 'diagnose' something? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 12:47 AM Response to Original message |
58. And yet, 30 years on, as wrong as he was, our current President (D) is more a standard |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 02:44 AM Response to Reply #58 |
62. Yes, someone needs to deliver this news to the President, ASAP. |
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pam4water (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 01:08 AM Response to Original message |
59. Dang unrec by mistake Sorry! I hit rec a couple of times and nothing happened so I tried unrec. |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 02:45 AM Response to Original message |
63. His handlers knew what they were doing, from deregulation to destroying the unions |
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Raine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 03:41 AM Response to Original message |
64. Very interesting, THANKS! nt |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 06:12 AM Response to Original message |
68. We were very prepared---until our industries were shipped to 3rd-World countries. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 06:33 AM Response to Original message |
69. Kicked and recommended! |
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The Wizard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 08:21 AM Response to Original message |
71. Reagan was/is |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 10:29 AM Response to Reply #71 |
81. Indeed he was. I grew up watching a washed up actor selling handsoap |
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The Wizard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 08:49 AM Response to Original message |
74. He also vetoed |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 02:02 AM Response to Original message |
82. Saint Ronnie Mythology |
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