Curious what would happen if the police refused orders.

[Wolf Frankula]

I don't expect this to happen any time soon. But I wonder what WOULD happen if a police force were ordered to break up an Occupy camp, and refused?

Wolf

[msongs]

1. they'd be cut off from the graft and corruption orchestrated by the police union? nt

[lbrtbell]

2. They'd be normal human beings incapable of beating the unarmed?

Nah!

[Newest Reality]

3. From some of the photos and videos

I've seen, you would think they were paying the White Shirts by the pound.

Did these psychopaths join the force for the fringe benefits and free rage card? "Yeah, I get paid to pound the bejebus out of people and connect with my inner gorilla! SWEET!"

[MADem]

4. Do you have any idea how much they get in overtime?

It's a fortune.

It doesn't matter how they personally feel about social justice and economic parity, they can make a bundle in overtime doing these gigs. They'll be able to send their little Patricks and Petunias to college without taking out any loans against their retirement accounts if this keeps up.

And the people who pay the taxes that fund that overtime will either pay more taxes, or have services cut in another sector to pay for the police presence.

The news is covering tents and police, evictions and people yelling, and no one's talking about Wall Street, bankers, corporate corruption, congressional crony crapola, or the shrinking middle class.

I haven't heard anything about those things for weeks.

[cyglet]

6. Corporate media

is not going to cover its own wrongdoing

[MADem]

9. And no one is going to cover anything else unless something else starts happening.

Sorry, this "tent business" is getting old. It's the same stale pictures, over and over. People yelling, tents getting tossed in the trash. Nothing about high unemployment. Nothing about bankers getting rich. Nothing about unaccountable lobbyists. Nothing about a shrinking middle class. Nothing about social justice and the lack of a level playing field. Nothing about economic parity. Just yelling and tents. It all looks the same.

I think OWS NYC should take some of that half a million dollars they collected, rent out some decent space, set up a little TV studio and phone bank in it, start broadcasting some quality material and coordinating focused protests, and start behaving professionally. If it wants to be long-term, it has to start acting long-term.

Camping may be fun and develop a nice "esprit de corps" for a select few who like to freeze in a tent on a city sidewalk, but it doesn't get the word out to the 99 percent who have jobs, lives, families, responsibilities.

I want to see sit-ins, all right--in front of home congressional offices, for example. I think demanding that Congress pass the Stock Act is just one good focused protest that could probably be accomplished pretty quickly; there's been a lot of discussion about it lately and striking while the iron is hot is always a good idea.

Of course, that's just my view. The bottom line is, though, is that pictures without context of people yelling, tents and tarps flying, lots of metal barriers, filmed mostly at night, is all we're going to see on TV unless the focus is shifted. Decisively.

[cyglet]

11. They want to discredit OWS

so that's what they show. It's not unintentional, it makes them seem like savages with no concrete goals. That's why so many people think they have no real motives, because all that's in the press is disorganization and gypsy like shiftlessness.

Traditional means of discord really don't work anymore. We have representatives that are inaccessible to us.

[MADem]

12. It's working. People who support fighting back against the bankers, corporations and corrupt

politicians are sick of the tent and police crap. More of the same isn't going to change any minds. It's just going to solidify the view that these are a bunch of dilettantes who like to fuck with the police--doesn't matter if that isn't the truth--it's all about perception.

OWS needs to change their focus back to the economic parity issues that started the whole process. They need to get more professional in their approach.

I can guarantee you that if OWS did sit-ins at local congressional offices (the district offices) complaining about a need to pass the Stock Act, CBS and CNN would cover it. Why? It was the lead story on 60 Minutes last Sunday, and they love to reference their own work.

They need to move on it soon, though, or the moment will pass.

[brooklynite]

5. They'd be disciplined and/or fired...

why is that a question?

[cherokeeprogressive]

10. Disciplined, fired, bankrupt, homeless... in that order.

So on one hand, I've got people screaming at me that I'm sexy, I'm cute, and that I should take off the riot suit, and on the other I've got children and a wife/husband who depend on my check for sustenance and shelter.

Rock < me > Hard Place

[BiggJawn]

7. Our Overlords would call in the Ohio National Guard...

"4 dead in O-Hi-O..."

[Fire Walk With Me]

8. Albany did just that. Eventually, it appears Albany's mayor called in other agencies

to make arrests..