Was told LA teachers make 75,000 to 100,000 a year

[abelenkpe]

And that they are all lazy union workers. My SIL is a teacher in LA and doesn't make anywhere near that amount and was wondering why anyone would think teachers make that much.

Of course I honestly think they should.

[madfloridian]

1. They add in salaries of administrators, principals, others.

They do that here and make it look like teachers average over 10,000 more than they do.

[MADem]

3. They never add in the secretaries and janitors, though.

I mean, really--those school secretaries probably have more interface with the kids than the superintendent EVER does! Why not include all the salaries, down to the guy cutting the lawn!

[madfloridian]

4. Nope, never.

:hi:

[FarCenter]

2. Glassdoor say average of $48,897, and range is $39 to $73K

http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Los-Angeles-USD-Teacher-Los-Angeles-Salaries-EJI_IE111599.0,15_KO16,23_IL.24,35_IM508.htm

[abelenkpe]

14. Thank you! nt

[Angry Dragon]

5. don't they post the salaries on a website out there??

[TreasonousBastard]

6. They make that much around here. Cops, too.

[Cronus Protagonist]

7. I have a teacher buddy in LA - $90,000 kindergarten teacher

The longer you're there, the more pay and the more choice you get... the top paid teachers take the easiest classes in the school.

[CreekDog]

9. 12 months of work? Because the salary schedule says 80k w/PhD

not 90k.

highest w/Master's is 79k
highest w/ less than Master's is 73k

http://www.teachinla.com/Research/documents/salarytables/ttableannual.pdf

what we're doing here is saying that you either have been told something that is not true, or misleading about teacher salaries in LAUSD or are leaving out key information to properly judge the salaries of LA school teachers.

[wickerwoman]

24. And if they took that PhD into private industry how much would they make?

More than $80,000 if they're STEM teachers, I would bet.

People keep saying "we're falling behind in science and technology" but if you want to attract top (or even decent) teachers, you need to be willing to pony up something like market rates for math, science and technology teachers.

I love teaching, but I wouldn't take a 30-40% pay cut to do it.

[abelenkpe]

12. You think teaching a kindergarten class is the easiest?

Cause I'm gonna have to disagree with that. It's much easier to teach older kids that are used to school and easier to reason with. Kindergarten is for many students their first time away from home and in a group learning situation.

[Cronus Protagonist]

22. I don't. He does think that, though.

I think he's entitled to make up his own mind about that. As for teaching the older kids at a South Central Los Angeles school, well, I surely don't need to paint a picture for you. The youngsters do everything you tell them and they drink in the education. The older ones, well, the statistics don't lie, and like I said, he gets to choose whatever class he wants to teach and he chooses kindergarten, as do most of the teachers with enough tenure.

[msongs]

8. here is the LAUSD teachers salary schedule: highest is doctorates with many years BUT IT DOES NOT

include all the hours spend off work doing school related work, which for many teachers can increase the actual work hours beyond the contract day by 50%

http://www.teachinla.com/whyteach/salary.html

the second link in the table shows annual salary schedule

[provis99]

10. do they think billionaires make too much money?

I don't understand their fucking warped way of thinking. Goddamn, I've been boiling mad at republicans and conservatives since Bush was elected; the country is just going to hell because of these incoherent dimwits. Jeesus, sometimes I need a fucking tea to calm down after I hear too many of these stupid conservatives blurting their mindless opinions.

[redqueen]

15. I know how you f eel.

:hug:

[Yupster]

11. They may be adding the cost of benefits too

A tough thing for teachers is how to value the worth of the pension.

If a teacher retires at age 62 with a pension of 45 k per year for life, how do you value that?

If the tecaher lives another 25 years that's over $ 1 million pay coming to the teacher after he/she retires.

That's got to have a significant value that isn't counted in his pay.

[Greybnk48]

16. +1 n/t

[slackmaster]

13. They're not all lazy union workers

Most of them are quite industrious and dedicated to their professions, actually.

[abelenkpe]

17. That's how I see it

It kills me when people think they know the value of anothers work.

[slackmaster]

19. The cost of living is very high in southern California

I don't begrudge any hard-working professional a $75,000 salary.

[JHB]

18. In addition to the tricks noted above, those numbers probably include...

...any other benefits: insurance (life/medical/etc.), retirement funding/copays, etc.

Hell, it might even be worthwhile to see if they include the employer-side of FICA taxes.

RW sources have a history of conflating categories and goosing numbers by however they can get away with.

[Blue_Tires]

23. that's the same thing they did with the auto workers a few years back

add in the healthcare and other benefits like it's part of the paycheck and the meme of "GM's $80,000 janitor" (which ironically came from the Detroit News, iirc) is born and goes around the world a hundred times before being debunked...

[sarcasmo]

20. The right wing talking points are put out by a whole lot of right wing radio

The talking points get repeated over and over again and the brain washed believe what they hear.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

21. Of course you know the right wing is going to focus on the highest salary ever recorded

and totally ignore the norm. It's like the Ronald Reagan welfare queen welfare abuse talking point from the 1980s, with only one person, someone named Linda Taylor who allegedly defrauded the government of $8,000 becoming the accepted statistic for all people on welfare. Republicans are not interested in reality, but only in affecting perception.

[GreenTea]

25. Republican bullshit! Keep the uninformed trashing UNIONS-Republicans only big money election threat

of course republicans also lie so they can get privatized education for the corporations (vouchers) dumb down America & the dumb vote against their their own interest and vote republican (just look at the illiterate south, purposely dumbed down along with Christianity keeping them enslaved and voting republican.

[NNN0LHI]

26. Well, here is the way they pulled this crap on us

Even the NYT was saying that autoworkers were making $70 an hour when no autoworker ever made that kind of money.

The way they came up with that figure was adding in the costs for all our retirees pensions and medical to the current workers average wage.

Sounds like they are doing the same thing to teachers now.

Don

[montanto]

27. LAUSD teacher here:

I make 55K a year with 15 years of experience. I am required by contract to be on campus for 8 hours a day, and though I only get paid for six of those hours, I routinely work 9-10 per day during the school week. I also purchase supplies and materials out of pocket ($100 already this month). I also work lots of weekends for free. I also spend 10 days to two weeks of unpaid summer break planning with colleagues for the upcoming school year. It is possible for a teacher with National Board Certification, 20 years on the job, a PhD, etc., to make upwards of 100k but that would be a few hundred out of 28k LAUSD teachers. Far from the norm. Principals get about 125k. I wouldn't do it for 250. But yeah, anyway, I am lazy and overpaid.

[abelenkpe]

28. Thank you!

That's pretty much what I thought was going on. My SIL used to work as a teacher here in LA. She didn't make anywhere near 75,000 and like you spent a lot of her free time on doing things for her class and school. She also spent lots of her own money on supplies for her class.

Teachers have been dealing with cuts for years. It's so sad to see them under attack. :(