I wonder how much the Justice Department is behind the breaking up of OWS Nationwide

[DainBramaged]

just a thought.


And riot gear for peaceful protests? When are they going to break out the guns..............


Occupying is not enough. Maybe voting will be, but I think in my remaining lifetime, the 1% have won.

[TBF]

1. Correct on most counts - the Fed is obviously consulted behind the scenes

and no occupying isn't going to do much beyond raising awareness.

But I believe we can fight the 1%. After POTUS is re-elected and austerity is fully ushered in we will have more folks in the street and conditions will dictate that we fight back. It will have to involve labor because at least there is some organization there.

The 1% are very organized and disciplined - and that is our job as activists - to figure out how to harness the folks we have on our side to fight back.

It is not hopeless but it's going to take some work.

[vi5]

2. I'm the last person I thought would ever say this...

But I think America in general just needs to get a full, long, and hard dose of Republican policies in full force for them completely "get it".

The Democrats we continually elect and choose to lead the party have gone all in on Republican based, "conservative lite" policies and plans.

That's pushed the Republicans and the entire discourse in this country further to the right. The Democrats have been able to keep us all in line with the "the other side will be worse!!" line and scare tactics. Then in turn the Republicans can paint moderate right policies as being "socialist" and "liberal" while hard right policies are then deemed centrist. And within the sad political spectrum of our elected politicians, those hard right policies do actually represent the center of what is acceptable discourse.

I'm not some young kid trying to tear down the system. I'm in my 40's and spent 20 + years being a staunch advocate of working with the the 2 party system as a Democrat. But I've reached the end of my rope and am now convinced nothing is going to change as long as we keep electing the same democrats and allowing them to get away with adopting Republican discourse and policies.

[shraby]

3. If we got a full dose of republicans, we might never get the

country back without violence. Look at what they are doing to voting rights now...check out Michigan with their chap who goes and takes over cities and their votes don't count anymore.

[vi5]

4. We're also not going to get it back....

with incremental half measures and "me too" games being played by the Democrats.

I'll maybe believe any of it when I see Democrats stop talking about the need for austerity. Stop talking about deficit reduction. Stop saying "job creators". Stop talking about having too much regulation. Stop talking about the need for tax cuts. But it appears at this point that they've gon all in on that stuff so I won't hold my breath.

Look what happened in Ohio. They elected Republicans, got their policies, and then reacted strongly against them. Yeah it wasn't across the board victory and there's still road left to travel. But it pulled back the curtain and exposed what the Republicans really wanted. And with no violence.

Of course they also had Democrats who were willing to do what they needed and went rogue despite the political risks of doing so. That would never happen with national Democrats.

[Donnachaidh]

11. I don't believe that

you're using one state as an example. Do you honestly think if 300 million people got a massive wake-up call they wouldn't do a damned thing? They'd be beating down the doors of the voting halls.

I'm more inclined to be worried about the backroom double-dealing going on in this Dem admin against the OWS movement. THAT, if true, is a true evil we need to worry about.

[shraby]

62. That's doing the people a lot of good in Michigan where the

"manager" takes over a city and even votes don't count anymore.

[Donnachaidh]

10. we've been thinking the same thing

Especially in light of the continual and rapid capitulation from an administration that is using as it's meme -- *vote for us because we're not as evil* electioneering. Dems might not have thought up the evil -- but they give in to it as fast as a 2 dollar streetwalker.

I live in a red state. And the pukes use the Dems as the bad guys -- while the Dems fighting off the worst of it is used by those same pukes to cover their own asses. I personally think this red state needs a full-on dose of red state policies to wake them up.

[global1]

30. One Would Think The 8 Year Dose We Got With BushCo Would Be Dose Enough....

And now the most blatant stonewalling of the Repugs against anything Obama supports. If this hasn't awoken up Americans then I don't know what will.

[emulatorloo]

47. Iowa would be the same as Ohio, but our Democratic Senate blocks all the Republican Craziness

So please don't try to claim my Iowa Democratic Senators are "the same" as the Republicans.

Same holds true nationally if you dig a little deeper.

[vi5]

50. When did I claim that about Iowa?

There are plenty of states where we have useful Democrats who stand up for Democratic principles.

At the federal leve, sorry but I have to disagree. I wouldn't and didn't say they were "the same". They are different. The Democrats are a center right party now and the Republicans are a far right extreme party. So yeah, there's a difference. The Dems are still the lesser of 2 evils.

And yeah, there is a decent enough contingent in the House but nowhere near what we need. But the Senate is a wasteland for actual liberal Democrats. And by and large the people we elect to lead the party are responsible for at the worst our rightward drift and at the very least for not fighting back against that drift.

[emulatorloo]

53. Iowa was an example to counter your call for 100 per cent Republican rule as a viable solution.

We've heard the America must hit rock bottom argument for years now. I think it is destructive - if they get control, we are finished.

[bvar22]

70. Democrats at the Federal Level who Stand Up for Democratic Principles:

*Feingold....Gone

*Wiener....Gone

*Grayson....Gone

*Wellstone....Gone

*McKinney.....Gone

*Kucinich.....marginalized by The Party and redistricted

*Dean.....discredited, marginalized, banished


Republicans like Specter,
and Blue Dog obstructionist "Democrats" like Blanche Lincoln receiving endorsements and support from
the White House and the Democratic Party leadership.


You will know them by their WORKS.
Solidarity99!
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[vi5]

72. Bingo

Nail, meet head.

[emulatorloo]

5. "just a thought" = Conspiracy theory dominating DU today.

[lonestarnot]

6. What are you talking about?

[intheflow]

8. Many on the site can't wrap their minds around the idea

that the federal government might have a hand in the OWS crack downs. Because the federal government has never, ever, in the history of the US been involved with breaking up dissent. :eyeroll:

[emulatorloo]

13. I can "wrap my mind" around it. But I need proof, not fabrication

[DainBramaged]

17. Sure you need proof.........who are you to demand proof from us?

[emulatorloo]

37. You are the one making the claims. The burden of proof is on you

[DainBramaged]

38. Thanks again Eric

:evilgrin:

[lonestarnot]

15. LOL.

I think you mean :eyes:

[intheflow]

24. D'oh!

:rofl:

Next time I'll remember that ol' preview button!

[emulatorloo]

12. "I wonder how much the Justice Department is behind . . ." is fact free speculation

[DainBramaged]

18. So you have decided to come into this thread to spew the Government's position of non-involvement?

[emulatorloo]

21. No, I came to point out that you are speculating and passing it off as Fact

[DainBramaged]

23. No you came here to squelch my 1st Amendment Rights

It's that simple. Who are you to question my speculating? What fucking point is there in you demanding proof of my musing? Who are you the fucking thought police?


Go bother someone else who enjoys eating the pabulum you're shoveling.

[emulatorloo]

28. LOL, You need to reread the 1st Amendment. Has nothing to do with Democratic Underground or people

who post on it.

[DainBramaged]

29. You apparently have skin in protecting the Justice Department

one last time go bother someone else OH and thanks for keeping my thread at the top of GD.

[emulatorloo]

34. You do similar threads day after day where you make up stuff and wait for the recs to roll in

Yes I am tiring of it, which is well within my rights.

[DainBramaged]

36. Thanks again Eric

:evilgrin:

[grasswire]

61. congratulations! you win my admiration.

Pabulum! Spelled correctly.

(sorry for the interjection)

[DainBramaged]

64. Pabulum, it's what's for lunch at the DU cafe

And rarely used in conversation here.


:toast:

[bvar22]

71. Who passed anything off as FACT?

:shrug:
The OP asked a question.

There is evidence of coordination at the National level,
both in timing & tactics,
or didn't you notice?


ALL investigations begin with speculation.
I would like to see further investigations of these "speculations".

All good Discussions begin with a speculation too.
This IS the General Discussion forum.
Your opinion has been noted.



You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.
Solidarity99!
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[DainBramaged]

16. I guess you trust the Government ?

Sorry you think we aren't worthy of posting our thoughts. Maybe on some other forums you can join them in laughing at our suspicion.

[emulatorloo]

22. I'm not laughing. I am pointing out that you are pushing speculation as fact, which is one of the

Main problems with the modern DU

[DainBramaged]

25. See reply #23

and you have NO right to decide what is or isn't appropriate on DU.

[emulatorloo]

31. DU is a privately run discussion board. If you post unsubstatiated conspiracy theories

then you should expect that others will point that out to you.

[DainBramaged]

35. Thanks again Eric

:evilgrin:

[emulatorloo]

39. Article: Carrie Prejean Dishonors The First Amendment

http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=1266

At least you are in good company. Sarah Palin does it too.

[DainBramaged]

43. Thanks Eric, I needed another push to the top.

:kick:

[mmonk]

7. Occupy is the push back. Without it, further slippage ahead

There is no party riding in to the rescue. Just a few outnumbered politicians that still fight for the people and have no chance at gaining control without heavy support from the public.

[ananda]

9. The Fed is behind it but...

... the local cops appear to be all too willing....

[emulatorloo]

14. Proof?

[DainBramaged]

19. OK listen, start your own thread if you think you are better at this

threadjacker........

[emulatorloo]

26. Not hijacking your thread, just pointing out the lack of substance of your claims

[DainBramaged]

27. See reply #23

[emulatorloo]

32. You need to reread the 1st amendment.

[DainBramaged]

33. Thanks again Eric

:evilgrin:

[emulatorloo]

40. Article: "Sarah Palin's First Amendment Confusion Deepens"

http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/sarah-palins-first-amendment-confusion-deepens

At least you are in good company.

[DainBramaged]

41. Thanks again Eric

:evilgrin:

[emulatorloo]

42. Read it, then you will stop embarrassing yourself publically over the First Amendment.

You are welcome in advance.

[DainBramaged]

44. Awwww you just can't help yourself can you

Thanks again


:evilgrin:

[emulatorloo]

45. Go ahead and double down on your mistakes if it makes you feel better.

[DainBramaged]

46. Awwwwwwwwwwwwwww thanks again

:evilgrin:

[emulatorloo]

48. You are very very very welcome.

Hope your next thread will be more fact based

[DainBramaged]

49. Amazing how you continue to boost my thread

[Dreamer Tatum]

51. While simultaneously exposing as ridiculous your claim that your rights are being abridged. nt

[DainBramaged]

52. Aw thanks for helping!!!! Nice of you to join in the fun

I'm not alone in thinking Justice has something to do with this, and since when do you folks think that only your threads are viable.


Thanks so much for keeping me at the top........ hugs and kisses....

[emulatorloo]

54. The more eyes your thread gets, the better

Happy to kick it for you.

[DainBramaged]

55. 4 to 1 in a recent poll agree with me

so sad for you, too bad for you.

[DainBramaged]

56. Internet bullies, so sad for you

[emulatorloo]

57. Self Delete wrong place

[DainBramaged]

63. Thanks Eric, I needed another push to the top.

[emulatorloo]

73. Again, the more eyes that see your thread, the better

[DainBramaged]

75. See reply #71 and this is the last time I "see" you

two words and they aren't merry Christmas

[emulatorloo]

58. Self Delete wrong place

[emulatorloo]

60. Self Delete wrong place

[mulsh]

20. I don't think the 1% have won. I think we have a long, hard slog

but we out number the 1%. The occupy messages resonate with the majority of people. I live in Oakland and even my very wing nutty neighbor says the Occupy folk are on to something. She's also disgusted with the combined police force action given the fact that OPD can't even must occasional patrols through our neighborhood on slow days.

[grasswire]

59. guns? I'm worrying about DRONES

When do they send in drones?

[JoePhilly]

65. I think emulatorloo is correct on the First Ammendment issue through out this thread.

The First Amendment provides you with freedom of speech.

The first amendment does not provide you with freedom from criticism regarding that speech. In fact, such criticisim is also protected under the first amendment.

And as emulatorloo points out a number of times ... the right wing tends to confuse this fact on a regular basis.

Palin confuses it ... Rush confuses it ... Dr Laura confused it ... the Fox News people get confused on this point all the time.

And within this thread, you've confused it too.

You are free to speak ... and others are free to criticize what you said.

[DainBramaged]

66. I didn't confuse anything, I led him down a path to committing to keep my thread bounced

and he's done a wonderful job all day to wit I thank Eric.


Edit


3 out of 4 in a recent poll agree with my musings, so thanks again..................


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2321001

[JoePhilly]

67. Interesting that you think getting your thread kicked is a key goal.

Rather than honestly discussing the claims you make, and the criticism you receive.

Personally, I find it a bit lame, but I do agree that it is certainly not unusual on an anonymous discussion board. And of course, taking such an approach is a powerful use of your 1st amendment rights.

Seems to work for you, stick with it.

[DainBramaged]

68. They're being discussed elsewhere in GD , and people who believe the Government is infallible

are at this moment trying to stifle the voices of dissent here......


Have a nice evening.....and start your own fucking thread if you're so concerned about my concern of possible involvement by the DOJ in stifiling OWS, and from your responses, I have a feeling you're on their side.....


BuhBye

[JoePhilly]

69. Who said the government is infallable?

And wow ... what a well reasoned response.

You seem very threatened by my 1st amendment right to mock you in public, in this thread.

If I wanted to create my own thread I would. After all, I have that right.

:rofl:

And as for your concern (in the post above), about my (alleged) concern, about your concern regarding the DOJ ... you seem very confused.

I completely understand your concern about the DOJ ... what I questioned was your understanding of the 1st amendment.

And in our few exchanges here, its clear that you don't understand the 1st amendment.

You have a nice evening too. This was fun. Let's do it again some time.

[BlueIris]

74. Given the corruption in the DOJ, I wouldn't be surprised if it's...much. nt