CONPLAN 2502/3502 - It's not just a rumor

[AntiFascist]

http://www.governmentattic.org/ (search on CONPLAN 2502)

The DOD Civil Disturbance Plan, nicknamed “GARDEN
PLOT”, was superseded after the events of September 11,
2001. The replacement to Garden Plot is Concept Plan
(CONPLAN) 2502, also confusingly known as CONPLAN
3502, and is the responsibility of U. S. Northern Command...

"Civil disturbances which are beyond the control of
municipal or state authorities may occur at any time.
Dissatisfaction with the environmental conditions
contributing to racial unrest and civil disturbances
and dissatisfaction with national policy as manifested
in the anti-draft and anti-Vietnam demonstrations
are recognized factors within the political and social
structure. As such, they might provide a preconditioned
base for a steadily deteriorating situation leading
to demonstrations and violent attacks upon the social
order. The consistency and intensity of these preconditions
could lead in time to a situation of
insurgency should external subversive forces develop
successful control of the situation. Federal military
intervention may be reqUired to preserve life and
property and maintain normal processes of governments."

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[redqueen]

2. K&R

[nightgaunt]

28. Extensions of the COG

So many plans to usurp the Constitution in times of "________" these days. Any excuse to put us under the yoke more directly than we are now. I'm not surprised if it is true. Just like the "Phantom gov't" which was only mentioned once on the Corporate News Network. They are training to take over should Washington DC get nuked or something to close down gov't. When they do watch out! Then it is too late. I wonder of a Great Depression would qualify? The Republicans and some Democrats are angling to put us in one after Bush got cold feet when it started in 2008. Maybe the crypto-fascists like the Koch brothers are ready now since they would be among those 40 corporations who would profit most from it? We shall have to wait an see unless the OWS actually gets results.

[SammyWinstonJack]

3. K&R

[Vincardog]

4. Net recommendation: +3 votes (Your vote: +1) Federal Military intervention is much harder after the

Federal Military has been devastated by 10 years of meaningless wars of aggression

[sarcasmo]

5. No messing with the social order, meaning the 1%'s money.

[piratefish08]

6. truth is painful and disturbing.

[TriMera]

7. K&R. n/t

[doublethink]

8. The Universal Adversary ...

Emergency Preparedness against the "Universal Adversary"

by Michel Chossudovsky
www.globalresearch.ca 7 June 2005 (revised)

The URL of this article is: http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO506A.html

Orwellian "Scenarios"

A recent Report of the Homeland Security Council entitled Planning Scenarios describes in minute detail, the Bush administration's preparations in the case of a terrorist attack by an outside enemy called the Universal Adversary (UA).

The Universal Adversary, is identified in the scenarios as an abstract entity used for the purposes of simulation. Yet upon more careful examination, this Universal Adversary is by no means illusory. It includes the following categories of potential "conspirators":

"foreign terrorists" ,

"domestic radical groups",

"state sponsored adversaries" <"rogue states", "unstable nations">

"disgruntled employees" .

According to the Planning Scenarios Report :

"Because the attacks could be caused by foreign terrorists; domestic radical groups; state sponsored adversaries; or in some cases, disgruntled employees, the perpetrator has been named, the Universal Adversary (UA). The focus of the scenarios is on response capabilities and needs, not threat-based prevention activities." (See Planning Scenarios )

The domestic radical groups and labor activists, which visibly constitute a threat to the established political order, are now conveniently lumped together with foreign Islamic terrorists, suggesting that the PATRIOT anti-terror laws together with the Big Brother law enforcement apparatus are eventually intended to be used against potential domestic "adversaries".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3804290

We talked a bit about this a few years ago under the Bush Administration ... more relevant today then then .. Peace.

[grasswire]

10. in the literature we are called "urban hostiles"

That term was developed in the Clinton administration when AG Janet Reno signed a memo of cooperation with the Department of Defense to develop weaponry for law enforcement use against citizens. It's true. It happened.

[tomp]

32. a under a dem administration? i'm shocked!

you know I'm not.

[newspeak]

52. well, I remember a while ago on a thread here

talking about the patriot act, and how our forefather/mothers would be deemed terrorists today. Maybe after sinking us for the sake of their global new world corporate order, they thought the little people wouldn't like them conning decent jobs, pensions and money from americans. It seems there certainly was a focus on controlling the plebes.

[grasswire]

11. dupe

[AntiFascist]

15. Thanks for that reminder doublethink :) n/t

[doublethink]

27. No problem AntiFascist

thanks for the OP !

[Nuclear Unicorn]

9. So the government SHOULDN'T have contingency plans against, say.

patriot militias attempting to violently overthrow an elected government?

Let's face facts, if Tim McVeigh and merry band of assholes had a wider following and they were able to overpower civilian law enforcement then calling out the military would be appropriate.

just sayin'

[AntiFascist]

12. Good point...

I should also point out that it appears that only the original Garden Plot document has been declassified. Does that mean the current plan (2502) is still classified? Is it good that the government keeps contingency plans against its own citizens a secret?

On edit: is it fair to compare Tim McVeigh to OWS, if in fact the federal plan has been activated?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

13. I would think any national security plan would be a de facto secret.

No point in advertising "If you do A, I'll do X." All that does is tell the bad guys how to guard against the inevitable and required reaction. How much up-front intel would you want to provide the Tim McVeigh-type militias?

[AntiFascist]

14. I would think they could redact the operational parts...

but it is the contingencies for the plan that people need to be aware of, for example, in the case of Oakland people might know more what to expect. Shock and awe doesn't go over well domestically.

[hifiguy]

22. True enough,

but these plans will NEVER be used against any reichwing group. That you can be sure of.

[Enthusiast]

35. I fear you are correct.

Where was the law enforcement response to the Teabaggers?

[hack89]

41. Why was an LEO response needed?

as far as I know, they were non-violent protests that broke no laws.

[Downwinder]

51. Why go after armed groups when you can terrorize unarmed ones?

[Magoo48]

53. Exactly...

[Raksha]

47. Tim McVeigh-type RW militias could never have this level

of grassroots support. True, they are armed and dangerous but there will never be that many of them. Any contingency plans that were developed were intended against US, the majority, the 99%.

"Urban hostiles," huh? I guess it's good to know what you're us against.

[brooklynite]

16. So, because the Federal Government has a continegncy plan in its file cabinet to invade Canada...

that means it's planning to do so?

You ARE insinuating that because a civil disturbances strategy exists, that means its currently in use, correct?

[AntiFascist]

19. There are reports starting to come out that there has been Federal coordination...

I'm simply pointing out one plan that the military has in place that enables this to happen.

I'm not aware of any reports that we have been invading Canada.

[brooklynite]

21. No, there are not "reports"...

...there is ONE news story by ONE author citing ONE anonymous source.

[AntiFascist]

24. There's also Juan Cole, Michae Moore....

and the Oakland mayor doesn't want to take sole responsibility for the actions in her city. I predict more truth to come out.

[brooklynite]

25. ...who are both citing the same ONE story...

[AntiFascist]

26. Also, it's not like this is some some plan gathering dust that has never been used...

Operation Garden Plot was activated during the LA Riots when the National Guard was called into LA. Nothing that extreme has happened yet, but ever since the Patriot Act, it may take far less to activate such a plan.

[jeff47]

39. No, it was not "activated".

The guard was still under state control. A federal plan would have federal control.

[AntiFascist]

42. I'm afraid you're wrong about that....

Disinformation does not serve us well in this situation.

According to an army website:

http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/documents/rio.htm

Federalizing the Guard. During the initial hours of the riot, Warren Christopher (then chair of a citizen's commission concerning the Police Department), advised Mayor Bradley to call in the federal troops and place the National Guard troops under Federal command. By Christopher's reasoning things were getting out of control on the first night of the riot:



http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/jtf-la.htm

As DOD's executive agent for the crisis, the Secretary of the Army activated a civil disturbance plan, called GARDEN PLOT, to help orchestrate the callup and deployment of the military forces. Joint Task Force Los ANGELES consisted of about 10,000 guardsmen, nearly 1,500 marines from Camp Pendleton, and 2,000 soldiers from the 2d Brigade, 7th Infantry Division (Light), at Fort Ord. Virtually the entire 40th Infantry Division was mobilized. The military personnel were supposed to protect specific areas of the city, patrol neighborhoods after the police had restored order, and protect the fire fighters who were being attacked by mobs. Army troops showed restraint and discipline in handling a touchy situation. During the riots, they worked in areas of the city without electricity, where many buildings had been destroyed by fires, and resolved several potentially dangerous confrontations. The military would also provide some logistical support and supply riot gear, helicopters, tentage, and Meals, Ready-to-Eat (MRE). DOD estimated the final cost of the operation at about $15 million. A full complement of intelligence analysts was required to support the assault command post (ACP) during Operation Garden Plot. Law enforcement agencies generally have adequate data collection capabilities, but lack the ability to perform detailed intelligence analysis. Considerations for the G2 (S2) in an operation such as Garden Plot may include points similar to the following:

[jeff47]

54. Funny thing. I kinda followed the riots, 'cause I was there.

Here lemme highlight the parts you missed in your own sources.

"advised Mayor Bradley to call in the federal troops and place the National Guard troops under Federal command"

Advising is not the same as acting.


For the second one, here's the part you blew over.

"The governor of California committed the state police and two thousand National Guard soldiers to assist in restoring law and order on 30 April. At 2230 on 29 April 1992, as part of the response to this disorder, the 3d Battalion, 160th Infantry (Mechanized), 40th Infantry Division, California National Guard, was ordered to mobilize. CANG's initial response was slow and somewhat disorganized. Its troops did not arrive in the streets until 17 hours after Wilson's order or not until the evening of April 30. Between 2100 and 2400 the following day, all 3d Battalion companies deployed to their assigned areas. It was the first tactical battalion to be mobilized, the first to deploy to the streets of LA, and the last to redeploy. By the early morning of 30 April, the Governor of California had ordered state police and about 2,000 guardsmen into the area to restore order. The first of the National Guard units, the 670th Military Police Company, traveled almost 300 miles from its main armory and arrived the same afternoon to assist local police."

The California Guard was not federalized, it remained under Pete Wilson's command. The federal troops that were called in received logistical support from the guard, and as usual the guardsmen doing that logistical support were federalized. But the above mentioned guard units that were actually doing law enforcement remained under the governor of California's control.

[AntiFascist]

56. I think you're missing the main point...

"DOD's executive agent for the crisis, the Secretary of the Army activated a civil disturbance plan, called GARDEN PLOT, to help orchestrate the callup and deployment of the military forces."

These days, "the military forces" may be much more covert, hidden.

[jeff47]

57. Well, either he did a terrible job activating the plan, since he didn't follow step 1

Or he didn't actually activate the ebil ebil plan.

[rhett o rick]

45. It is really annoying when people put words into others mouths and end with "correct". nm

[jwirr]

17. And is that why Obama allowed the FBI to coordinate the various

cities in their joint attacks the other night? Are we already considered terrorists?

[jeff47]

55. The reporting on FBI involvement is rather thin.

The Homeland Security/FBI involvement is based on an anonymous quote from an article in the Examiner. To give you an idea of the quality of that publication, The Examiner also features stories about secret agreements between the US government and extra terrestrials.

Every other article I've seen has been based on the Examiner story. Without independent verification, I'm not so sure we should consider the story credible.

[barbtries]

18. that's scary.

i don't like the sound of that at all. soon instead of protesters, we'll be insurgents. from there i suppose, enemy combatants. after that, who knows.

[stillwaiting]

29. We already are insurgents to them. They're just not framing it that way to the public.

Yet.

[Stuart G]

20. kick

[lunatica]

23. "Federal military intervention may be reqUired

to preserve life and property and maintain normal processes of governments."

Military intervention!!! The day that happens we'll know for sure this country is definitely not the country we think it is.

[NAO]

30. Could a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request determine if this is in effect?

Could a FOIA request be made through to determine if this is in fact happening?

[AntiFascist]

31. According to Wikipedia, one of the exemptions to the FOIA is as follows...

7.records or information compiled for law enforcement purposes, but only to the extent that the production of such law enforcement records or information (A) could reasonably be expected to interfere with enforcement proceedings, (B) would deprive a person of a right to a fair trial or an impartial adjudication, (C) could reasonably be expected to constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy, (D) could reasonably be expected to disclose the identity of a confidential source, including a State, local, or foreign agency or authority or any private institution which furnished information on a confidential basis, and, in the case of a record or information compiled by a criminal law enforcement authority in the course of a criminal investigation or by an agency conducting a lawful national security intelligence investigation, information furnished by a confidential source, (E) would disclose techniques and procedures for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions, or would disclose guidelines for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions if such disclosure could reasonably be expected to risk circumvention of the law, or (F) could reasonably be expected to endanger the life or physical safety of any individual;<5>

[quaker bill]

33. The military has a contingency plan for everything

They have buildings full of people who come up with them for a living.

To make it simple, if they ever activate such a plan you will not need an FOIA request to figure it out.

Local law enforcement agencies speak to each other all the time. Local governments share information on common problems all the time, none of this requires or implies federal intervention. Like any other profession, there are conventions, they get together over dinner, on conference calls. It is entirely within the realm of reason and normal business that on these occasions they might come to agreement on a common approach.

I am very sure local law enforcement consults with the FBI and DHS freely and on a very regular basis. No special act is required to allow this consultation, it is just the normal course of business.

Activating a military contingency plan is a completely different kettle of fish. If it ever happens, it will be easy to observe and you will harbor no doubts about it.

The notion harbored by some that OWS has risen to the point of a "national emergency" that would result in the activation of a military contingency plan is a curious form of unwarranted self-flattery. The movement is not even close to being that kind of threat, it will need to be vastly larger to breach that threshold. It is unlikely that even a much larger movement that remains dedicated to passive resistance and non-violent civil disobedience would breach the threshold for federal intervention.

Reading the text, this sort of intervention is planned for a situation more like the race riots of the 1960s, where cities are burning and people are being killed. Thankfully, OWS is nothing like this.

[AntiFascist]

43. People are not even aware that Feds were in control during the LA Riots....

See the posts above for a case in point, where it was argued that the state was in control of the National Guard.

The fact that Federal coordination can happen now so casually is alarming to many. The actions in Oakland seemed like a "Shock and Awe" situation against our own citizenry. If people are mistreated by the police then it increases the likelihood of having another LA Riot situation, you can rest assured. You are aware that was what sparked the riots, the acquittal of the policemen who beat Rodney King?

[piratefish08]

34. the government has many 'plans' far more nefarious than this.......

here was one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

[TBF]

36. US - Official definition of terrorism

This is pretty broad - notice the phrase in bold

Official United States Government Definition of Terrorism

" act of terrorism, means any activity that (A) involves a violent act or an act dangerous to human life that is a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or any State, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or of any State; and (B) appears to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by assassination or kidnapping."

(United States Code Congressional and Administrative News, 98th Congress, Second Session, 1984, Oct. 19, volume 2; par. 3077, 98 STAT. 2707 )

That along with the Patriot Act ...

[rhett o rick]

37. This is the Revolution. Hang on. nm

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

38. "...external subversive forces ..."

AKA: Citizens outside the corpo-governmental bubble.

[Remember Me]

40. Those agents provocateurs are going to have to work pretty hard to

create a situation that's "beyond the control of municipal or state authorities." Our beloved Occupy-ers have shown themselves to be peace lovers extraordinaire.

[trayfoot]

44. I have heard variations on this theme

for awhile now. Mostly, I find it is coming from right-wiingers who are trying to convince people that President Obama is intending to declare "martial law" and become the "dictator" of the USA.

I hope progressives are not being sucked into this meme!

[AntiFascist]

48. I'm criticizing plans that were mostly relevant during both Bush Administrations (41 and 43)...

I don't see too many right wingers blaming Obama for what happened in Oakland. To be honest, if he was involved, it likely would increase his popularity at the right end of the spectrum.

[trayfoot]

49. Understood!

But I just found out last weekend from a FedEX delivery driver that here in "republiCON territory" people are actually ordering and receiving pallets of food with 1-2 year shelf lives cause Obama is going to cause "something big". I was surprised, though I don't know why - people around here believe anything Rush or the other nutcases tell them. He told me the web site they ordered from, but I don't remember it now.

[AntiFascist]

50. Most right-wingers are easily manipulated, which is a major problem...

there seems to be no end to the idiocy of the Tea Baggers.

[Rex]

46. Rex 84

is an isolated mountain...kidding that is Rex74.