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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 09:45 PM Original message |
The US and the world are far better off today than we were twenty, forty, or sixty years ago. |
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libinnyandia (526 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 09:48 PM Response to Original message |
1. Do we credit the 1%ers? |
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Amonester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 09:49 PM Response to Original message |
2. Climate-change, species-extinction denial, much? |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 09:55 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Resource depletion, peak oil, the list is pretty long.. |
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NRaleighLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 09:58 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. crumbling infrastructure.....extreme political gridlock/polarization... |
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Amonester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 09:59 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Ozone layer hole expansion, coral reef agony, ocean acidification |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 10:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. DDT, Vietnam, Cold War... |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 10:48 PM Response to Reply #9 |
19. Peace Dividend |
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Downwinder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 12:04 AM Response to Reply #9 |
48. Polio vaccine free in the park. |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 09:51 PM Response to Original message |
3. .............. |
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randome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
5. Misery loves company. |
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Modern_Matthew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 10:01 PM Response to Original message |
8. Yeah, but certainly not at a quick enough rate. nt |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
10. Count me in, I refuse to give in to the negativity. |
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PETRUS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 10:11 PM Response to Original message |
11. It bothers me when people glorify the past, too. |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 10:11 PM Response to Original message |
12. Having lived back then, I think today is better in many ways, but of course far from |
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Umbral (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 10:11 PM Response to Original message |
13. 1 earth, divided by 7 billion people... gee, things are only looking up. nt |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 10:15 PM Response to Original message |
14. But things won't get better if we keep propping up an unsustainable system. |
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canetoad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 11:44 PM Response to Reply #14 |
36. You win the thread |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 10:18 PM Response to Original message |
15. optimism is the opium of the masses |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 11:32 PM Response to Reply #15 |
29. And pessimism is cyanide. |
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holdencaufield (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
16. You're right, of course... |
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JohnyCanuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 11:25 PM Response to Reply #16 |
27. I think you are mistaken about Hubbert's prediciton |
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dimbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
17. Ask yourself how credible these claims are........... |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 10:50 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. If you refuse to accept certain things as basis of facts, it's hard to have a discussion. |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 11:17 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. So you're suggesting people who can't afford those things give them up. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 11:29 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Where did I say that? |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-18-11 09:19 AM Response to Reply #20 |
87. I can agree with some of what you're saying, Wraith. I lived back |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 11:00 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. And if we all lived in 1955 houses with 1955 amenities most could now nt |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 11:43 PM Response to Reply #17 |
35. A single wage earner today could support a family if he |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 11:45 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. LOL at the "coal furnance you had to fire in the middle of the night, heated hot water on the stove" |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 11:54 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. I was 7 years old in 1955 and we had a coal furnace, no water |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 12:07 AM Response to Reply #42 |
49. OK, but you were an outlier. I live in 1930s circa tract housing. Gas, water, electric all standard. |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 12:19 AM Response to Reply #49 |
55. Even in by WV standards today the average middle class |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 12:25 AM Response to Reply #55 |
60. Right. But the average Detroiter is doing MUCH, MUCH worse. That's the point. |
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WildNovember (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 12:52 AM Response to Reply #35 |
66. The median house size in 1973 was 1525 ft2. In 2010 it was 2169 ft2. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 01:01 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. The first stat represents NEW homes completed in those years, not ALL homes. BIG difference. |
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WildNovember (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 01:25 AM Response to Reply #68 |
72. Not sure why. The data shows new homes built since 1973, which is the change in |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #72 |
85. OK. But the fact that they were building McMansions in 2010 doesn't say much about EXISTING housing |
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WildNovember (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 01:24 AM Response to Reply #17 |
70. The poster's rosy post conflates median and average & ignores the fine picture. |
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NutmegYankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 05:37 AM Response to Reply #17 |
80. +1 nt |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 10:47 PM Response to Original message |
18. It must be ETERNAL WAR that's doing it. nt |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 11:02 PM Response to Original message |
22. Jeez, you really brought out the doom-and-gloom people. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 11:41 PM Response to Reply #22 |
32. I know. I feel like I'm about to watch people form a suicide pact. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 12:10 AM Response to Reply #22 |
53. The 1% stole it.. |
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PSPS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 11:06 PM Response to Original message |
23. Are you high? |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 11:25 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. No, but thanks for responding with insults. |
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sam11111 (638 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 11:16 PM Response to Original message |
24. wage of SINGLE job(not the recent 2 job family)lower than '72)..2Billion down into poverty-Globalism |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 11:34 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. Your assertions do not change actual facts. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 11:47 PM Response to Reply #24 |
39. violent crime rates have been dropping since 1994. |
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guitar man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 11:40 PM Response to Original message |
31. I guess it depends on who you are |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 11:42 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. I feel for you there. As I mentioned, I'm long term unemployed. |
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guitar man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 11:50 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. Gawd I hope it gets better |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 11:43 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. +1 |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 11:51 PM Response to Reply #31 |
41. +1 |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 11:47 PM Response to Original message |
38. Tell us the part about how all poor people today are fat, too, and have cable tv. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 11:56 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. I'm sorry, you're right, we should all be slitting our wrists because the world sucks. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 11:59 PM Response to Reply #43 |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 12:01 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. I made my case based on actual facts. You resorted to insults and insinuations. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 12:10 AM Response to Reply #46 |
52. Deleted message |
Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 12:43 AM Response to Reply #46 |
64. To be clear, I didn't say anything like what you are claiming I did in the posts that were deleted. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 01:25 AM Response to Reply #46 |
71. It's not a living hell for you, we got that. |
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WildNovember (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 11:59 PM Response to Original message |
44. The median wage and the average wage are two different things. The social security series is based |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 12:03 AM Response to Reply #44 |
47. The SocSec Admin's averages are weighted to avoid being skewed by high wages. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 12:09 AM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Paul Krugman was a "third way" neo-liberal in his past life. You are likely quoting from before his |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 12:20 AM Response to Reply #51 |
56. So now Paul Krugman is insufficiently liberal? Oy. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 12:22 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Deleted message |
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WildNovember (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 01:46 AM Response to Reply #47 |
74. The average is not the median, & the "weighting" is not transparent. |
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WildNovember (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 02:22 AM Response to Reply #74 |
78. Besides which, Krugman doesn't exactly "agree' with you. |
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Safetykitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 12:08 AM Response to Original message |
50. What an amazing pile of horse shit. |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 12:12 AM Response to Reply #50 |
54. Lol! Steamin'. +1 |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 12:20 AM Response to Reply #50 |
57. I notice that you can't actually refute my facts. nt |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 12:27 AM Response to Reply #50 |
61. Deleted message |
TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 12:37 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. It's funny how some people like to insist I'm completely wrong, but can't offer any facts. |
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Safetykitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 01:01 AM Response to Reply #63 |
69. Beaver Cleaver gets a cable bill. |
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OnyxCollie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 01:48 AM Response to Reply #69 |
75. I don't know who you're talking to. |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 08:35 AM Response to Reply #75 |
84. Smart collie. |
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WildNovember (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 02:05 AM Response to Reply #69 |
76. Great post. |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-18-11 08:34 AM Response to Reply #69 |
86. Fantastic post |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 12:35 AM Response to Original message |
62. You are right, but most people haven't experience very far back |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 12:52 AM Response to Original message |
65. Average weeks unemployed, highest since 1948 ... |
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aint_no_life_nowhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 12:57 AM Response to Original message |
67. You make some good points |
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WildNovember (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 01:41 AM Response to Reply #67 |
73. But REALISM is important. And the fact is that working men at the median made more in 1973 |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 02:11 AM Response to Original message |
77. lol. Some things are better, but you appear to be ignoring a multitude of worsening issues. nt |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 05:33 AM Response to Original message |
79. "We are in the midst of the fastest period of (global) poverty reduction the world has ever seen." |
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WildNovember (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 05:39 AM Response to Reply #79 |
82. That's a bit different than what the UN says. |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 08:20 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. UNCTAD seems to exclude most of Asia from that analysis (perhaps because most of Asia |
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Downwinder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 05:37 AM Response to Original message |
81. Just for point of reference: |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-18-11 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
88. Crime is lower because the largest group of males (demographically) |
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