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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 03:09 PM
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OWS and fusion centers
Something that caught my eye in terms of national coordination against OWS was the comment below from an interview with Dan Siegel that coordination with fusion centers was possible.

I posted this elsewhere and sabrina encouraged me to make this a thread so am doing so now.




Dan Siegel is the Oakland mayoral legal adviser who resigned in protest of how OWS is being treated in Oakland.

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/11/15/top_aide_to_oakland_mayor_resigns

AMY GOODMAN: And what do you think of what has taken place in New York, as you observe from afar following the Oakland raid, right here in New York, just this—in the last hours, the clearing out of Zuccotti Park?

DAN SIEGEL: Well, you know, it’s people around the country have made a decision to crack down on the Occupy movement. We’ve seen it, as you say, today in New York, yesterday in Oakland, over the weekend in Portland and Denver and other places. And clearly, this movement is striking a nerve, because it is so powerful. And it seems like there must be some coordination, perhaps at the level of national security and the fusion centers and so on, to put the word out to local police and politicians that it’s time to move against us. But, you know, at the same time, I think this will be a losing strategy. Every time they hit us, our movement grows stronger.


Fusion Centers?

Looked that up and found some info here:
http://epic.org/privacy/fusion /





The more info I've looked up about them, the more they share with COINTELPRO, from being a combo of local, state, federal, private, public and military agencies with blurred jurisdiction and oversight.



More background here from 2009, in discussing them in light of the discovery of a military operative who had infilitrated WA peace groups:
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/7/28/broadcast_exclusive_declassified_docs_reveal_military

MIKE GERMAN: Well, I think his analysis is exactly right. This is a pretty clear violation of Posse Comitatus. Now, what the military would argue, and has argued, is that they have a right to engage in force protection, which obviously, in its normal understanding of that term, is a defensive sort of capability, i.e. they can put guards at the gates of military bases and protect from threats from without. But they seem to have been, since 2002, considering that as an offensive capability, where they’re actually sending operatives out to spy on community activists, which is, of course, prohibited and something that, you know, the First and the Fourth Amendment become engaged.

And, you know, this is something that we found out through a FOIA back in 2005 the military was engaged in through a group called the Counterintelligence Field Activity. And they had a database of activists called TALON that, again, collected this US person information that the military has no business collecting. And that was shut down. But unfortunately, you know, they just created a new mechanism. This appears to be the fusion centers and these fusion cells that they’re using that, they seem to think, give them a method of circumventing Posse Comitatus and the restrictions on military intelligence gathering in the United States.

AMY GOODMAN: Explain what you mean, Mike, by fusion centers.

MIKE GERMAN: About two years ago, me and a colleague at the ACLU started investigating a lot of federal money going to what were called intelligence fusion centers. And I was only two years out of federal law enforcement at that point, and I had never heard this term, so I became concerned. And what these centers are is multi-jurisdictional intelligence centers that involve state, local and federal law enforcement, as well as other government entities — you know, a lot of times there are emergency services type of entities, but actually can’t involve any government entity — but also involve oftentimes the military and private companies.

So we produced a report in November of 2007 warning of the potential dangers that these multi-jurisdictional centers had, because it was unclear whose rules applied. Were we using federal rules? Were we using state rules? Local rules? And what was military and private company — what rules govern their conduct? So we put out this report in November of 2007. At that point, there were forty-two fusion centers. By July of 2008, we had found so many instances of abuse, we put out an updated report. At that point, there were fifty-eight fusion centers. Today, the DHS recognizes at least seventy-two fusion centers. So these things are rapidly growing, without any sort of proper boundaries on what activities happen within them and without really any idea of what it is the military is doing in these fusion centers and what type of access they have to US person information.



And much more here:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/are-we-safer/interviews/michael-german.html

Let's start with the fusion centers. What is the purpose of them, and who pays for them?

Good questions. The difficulty with fusion centers is that no two are alike. ...

But essentially, a fusion center is a multijurisdictional intelligence information and analysis collection and dissemination point. Typically, they involve a number of government agencies from different levels -- from federal government, from state and local government. They can also involve private companies. They can involve the U.S. military, in some instances.

But there is very little regulation that mandates any particular form, so they can really adapt to whatever environment they're in.




Some aspects of this that I've been thinking of more since first posting this in a thread are:

Given the blended/fused nature of these centers, they are a way to have federal involvement while still stating that this is being done at a local level.

Since they don't use the term "fusion center" in their names, it's a multi-step process to identify their involvement. For example, stockholmer has a thread about "Breaking: Goldman Sachs And Other Wall Street Firms Spy on Protesters In Taxpayer-Funded Center." I looked up more the name "Lower Manhattan Security Initiative" and found it listed in an article in Washington Post as a fusion center. I added the bolding below:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2337714

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/top-secret-america/states/new-york/

FUSION
New York state operates six fusion centers: The New York State Intelligence Center (NYSIC), established in 2003 by the New York State Police and the New York State Office of Homeland Security, is a multiagency intelligence center designed to collect and analyze information and to disseminate terrorist and criminal intelligence. The NYSIC has been designated the state-level fusion center and has developed a Field Intelligence Officer program consisting of 1,600 officers representing 85 percent of the state's law enforcement agencies. In 2010, the NYSIC was designated as one of 12 state agencies to be part of the new Nationwide Suspicious Activity Reporting (SAR) Initiative. The NYPD Intelligence Division's fusion center, officially established in March 2002, is the all-crimes and counterterrorism component of the New York City Urban Area Security Initiative. The NYPD Terrorism Threat Analysis Group (TTAG) performs intelligence analysis for the fusion center and disseminates open-source and classified intelligence to government and private-sector partners, as well as the U.S. intelligence community. The Lower Manhattan Security Initiative, focused on protecting the financial infrastructure, operates a network of cameras, radiation detectors and license plate readers. A similar security zone is being developed around Midtown Manhattan. The all-crimes Rockland County Intelligence Center, originally established in 1995 and operated by Rockland County law enforcement agencies, shifted its emphasis after 9/11 to homeland security and counterterrorism as well as crime. The Suffolk County Police Department operates an Intelligence Center. The Upstate New York Regional Intelligence Center (UNYRIC), based in Latham, was established in 2003 and is operated by the New York State Police to facilitate the collection, analysis and dissemination of criminal intelligence, including drug intelligence, in Upstate areas. The Westchester County Crime Analysis Unit, a component of the Westchester County Police Department of Public Safety, operates as an all-crimes fusion center.




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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 03:22 PM
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1. Fusion centers. K&R.
RECALL WALKER/KLEEFISCH!!!
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 03:26 PM
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2. I have posted a lot on fusion centers, a ton more info here:
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 03:45 PM
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6. Thanks
Since you have posted on them before, what are your thoughts about their possible involvement in surveillance of OWS?
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 04:11 PM
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10. They are being used:
Headed up by the DHS who monitors these things:

http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/DHS_Daily_Report_2011-11-18.pdf
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 04:22 PM
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13. And they are increasing staffing:
http://www.dhs.gov/ynews/speeches/20111025-napolitano-remarks-iacp.shtm

We have supported the development of fusion centers through grants, training, and deployment of federal personnel.

We will soon have a DHS intelligence officer deployed to every single fusion center – today we have 64 intelligence officers working side by side with their state and local counterparts.

Sixty one fusion centers also can now receive classified and unclassified threat information through the Homeland Secure Data Network, or HSDN.

We are working to ensure that every fusion center has a set of core capabilities that includes the ability to conduct risk assessments, and to share information among federal authorities so we can identify emerging national threats.

Over the past three years, we also have transformed how we train frontline officers regarding suspicious activities through the Suspicious Activity Reporting Initiative, or SAR.
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 05:51 PM
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18. With DHS being at or added to each fusion center, I'd say they are involved
Great catch.

Sure looks like these programs, initiatives and organizations aren't having budget issues or cutbacks.

In fact, just the opposite, they're growing at our expense.


Also, SAR does pop up at every turn in looking at this, doesn't is?

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DocMac Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 03:32 PM
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3. The US needs to stand down within it's borders.
The external aggression need to be addressed as well.

We have overreacted.
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 04:53 PM
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14. Agree with you there Doc
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 03:36 PM
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4. The Center for Media and Democracy/Source Watch has a page on fusion centers
Fusion Centers
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Fusion_centers

RECALL WALKER/KLEEFISCH!!!
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 03:46 PM
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7. Some important info there
Small excerpt here, but much more pertinent info on the Source Watch link:

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) highlights five problem areas regarding fusion centers: ambiguous lines of authority, private sector participation, military participation, data fusion/data mining, and excessive secrecy. <13>
With respect to ambiguous authority, the ACLU points out how fusion centers can exploit differences at the federal, state and local levels to gather information while avoiding oversight. <14> Because some states have stronger privacy laws while other states have weak privacy protection, the fusion center can manipulate where the record is held to evade public oversight. <15> Many fusion centers are using private corporations in the collection of intelligence gathering, which creates a much greater risk of a security breach. <16>
Furthermore, military involvement in fusion centers violates the historical prohibition on the U.S. military acting in a law enforcement capacity on U.S. soil (except under express authority of Congress), as enshrined in the 1878 law known as the Posse Comitatus Act. <17>
In terms of data mining, the fusion center guidelines encourage complete data collection and processes that are a threat to privacy. <18>
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 04:04 PM
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9. Interesting that the ACLU, correctly I would have thought, still
believes that that Military is prohibited from acting in a 'law enforcement' capacity on US soil. I just read a very disturbing article written for Army Times in 2008 stating that the Military is now 'deploying' troops returning from the wars to the 'Homeland'. Among their duties will be to help regarding 'civil unrest'.

Let me see if I can find it ....

I have no problem assuming, even without actual proof, that local Mayors and Police Depts are receiving 'advice' from the military and Intel Agencies. All this was made acceptable during the Bush administration. We had hoped a lot of it would be reversed after 2008, but it appears to only be getting worse.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 04:14 PM
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11. Thanks for starting this "intelligence" thread suffragette. Deprivation of rights under color of
law USC18 Section22.

RECALL WALKER/KLEEFISCH!!!
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 03:40 PM
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5. Nationwide Suspicious Activity Reporting (SAR) Initiative.
And what would be 'suspicious activity' I wonder?

Excellent post, Suffragette. I do remember these 'fusion centers' during the Bush administration and the controversy over them.

Also, I know that Ray Kelly, NYPD Commissioner works now with the FBI and the CIA. I will try to find some info I read about that alliance a while ago.

The uniformity of the attacks, and not just here in the US, btw, but while these attacks continue here, they are also happening in Europe and Australia, in almost the exact same way. Paris and Sidney, eg were attacked the same time Portland and a couple of cities were being attacked.


And we also know that the NYPD works in cooperation, or collusion is a better word, with some of our 'allies' in Europe, 'sharing intelligenece'.

What is most disturbing about all of this is that it appears that all these agencies now 'fused' together, view the American people as the enemy.
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 04:02 PM
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8. It is disturbing
Be sure to read stockholmer's excellent OP about the involvement of Goldman Sachs in the Lower Manhattan center.

And read the article he linked:

A bit from that:

http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/10/18/wall-street-firms-spy-on-protestors-in-tax-funded-center/

The project has been funded by New York City taxpayers as well as all U.S. taxpayers through grants from the Federal Department of Homeland Security. On March 26, 2009, the New York Civil Liberties Union (NYCLU) wrote a letter to Commissioner Kelly, noting that even though the system involves “massive expenditures of public money, there have been no public hearings about any aspect of the system…we reject the Department’s assertion of ‘plenary power’ over all matters touching on public safety…the Department is of course subject to the laws and Constitution of the United States and of the State of New York as well as to regulation by the New York City Council.”

The NYCLU also noted in its letter that it rejected the privacy guidelines for the surveillance operation that the NYPD had posted on its web site for public comment, since there had been no public hearings to formulate these guidelines. It noted further that “the guidelines do not limit police surveillance and databases to suspicious activity…there is no independent oversight or monitoring of compliance with the guidelines.”

According to Commissioner Kelly in public remarks, the privacy guidelines were written by Jessica Tisch, the Director of Counterterrorism Policy and Planning for the NYPD who has played a significant role in developing the Lower Manhattan Security Coordination Center. In 2006, Tisch was 25 years old and still working on her law degree and MBA at Harvard, according to a wedding announcement in the New York Times. Tisch is a friend to the Mayor’s daughter, Emma; her mother, Meryl, is a family friend to the Mayor.



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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 04:17 PM
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12. Wow, it gets worse. The 'privacy guidelines were written by a
25 year old friend of Bloomberg's daughter'? Has Congress or any other elected entity had a say in any of this, or is the 12th richest man in the country able to assign the rewriting of our laws to his family and friends of his family to suit his Corporate friends?

A big deal should be made of this.

I will go read the Stockholmer's article on Goldman Sachs spying on the protesters. That goes along totally with a fear expressed in your post above in this thread, Private Corps operating in this way. Now it is a reality, it seems.

Each day I am more and more grateful for the ACLU, without whom there would be no one left to defend this country's laws. I will definitely donate to them before any politician as they actually are doing the people's work.

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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 05:55 PM
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19. And her family has strong banking connections
Be sure to read grasswires's post on that in stockholmer's thread.

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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 05:07 PM
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16. The Goldman Sachs issue is very disturbing and is mentioned
in your post above
Many fusion centers are using private corporations in the collection of intelligence gathering, which creates a much greater risk of a security breach.


What is this? All this surveillance of the American people? We are told they are 'protecting us' from 'terror', but it looks more like they are surveilling the American people in the same way they would be watching an enemy. Something is very wrong about all of this.
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 02:10 PM
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27. Agree, Goldman Sachs being involved is very disturbing
And agree with the way the people are treated as the enemy, the problem, the hazard.

Fusion centers clearly gather enormous amounts of intelligence on people and organizations they select to target.
With Goldman Sachs having a seat at the center, I wonder how much access they have to this and in what ways they choose to use it.

Years ago, I posted concerns about the "Security Economy." I think that post is even more pertinent today, sadly.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1511589&mesg_id=1512182


Another part to this that I've long thought about and sometimes posted on is how hidden, or maybe embedded would be another way to put it, these funds are in our budget. It seems obvious there has been a huge growth in the "security" sector, one that had to be accomplished with a concurrent large increase in funding of it. Yet, because its embedded into various budget areas, I've seen no easy way to identify the growth of funding or what percentage of funding goes to it. And that also means that in a time of cuts in the name of Austerity, its not identifiable in the way genuinely transparent programs such as say Social Security or the Post Office are for taking cuts.

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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 05:02 PM
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15. OWS represents a global fusion without a center.
:7

:grouphug:
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 05:35 PM
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17. Love it!
And this distributed fusion is so powerful and is clearly driving bonkers those who keep seeking a center or head to nullify.

Let me join you in the hug.
:grouphug:
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 06:04 PM
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20. K&R
Trying to wrap my head around the ramifications of this for American society...

Is it dystopia yet?

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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 03:18 AM
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21. Thanks for the K&R
I'm trying to figure out the many implications as well.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 04:05 AM
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22. Thought you might find this interesting also. The NYPD
has some kind of privat 'terrorist' organization which no one seems to be able to find out about:

The NYPD’s “Privately” Funded War on Terrorism


The NYPD’s “Privately” Funded War on Terrorism

November 7, 2011

The NYPD appears to have secretly created a private foundation that raised nearly $300,000 to pay a former CIA official to become the police department’s first “scholar-in-residence.”

Police officials never announced the formation of what appears to be the department’s own non-profit, tax-exempt “NYPD Counter-Terrorism Foundation” when the foundation registered with the state’s Attorney’s General’s office in 2008, as all non-profits are required to do.

That filing and others list two high-level, civilian police officials as the foundation’s directors (see document). However the filings omitted their NYPD affiliation. Instead of their police department titles, they listed their home addresses.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 04:21 AM
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23. From 'Army Times' ~ Military Deploying Troops 'to the Homeland'
This is very interesting, and very disturbing and raises the question 'was the military involved in these crackdowns'? Especially since one of their 'duties' would be to deal with 'Civil Unrest'.

Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1

The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys.

Now they’re training for the same mission — with a twist — at home.

Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.


And where did the Police get those military weapons?

In the meantime, they’ll learn new skills, use some of the ones they acquired in the war zone and more than likely will not be shot at while doing any of it.

They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.

....

The 1st BCT’s soldiers also will learn how to use “the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded,” 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.


Is this not illegal under the Constitution? And people were questioning the 'non-lethal' weapons the police had. Were they even police? Live bloggers and streamers were supposed to take down badge numbers, but some reported that many of the cops did not have badges.

Definitely there needs to be an investigation into all of this. But who is going to do it?
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The Blue Flower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 10:39 AM
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24. Excellent job
Thank you. That's all.
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 03:19 PM
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28. Thank you for your response
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judesedit Donating Member (450 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 05:27 PM
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25. I'm so happy the truth is coming out and seriously hope people are paying attention
I first learned of these fusion centers through Randi Rhodes on Air America a few years ago. Thanks for bringing the subject back to life.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 07:43 PM
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26. OWS and fusion centers - thank you for this post! n/t
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 07:21 PM
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29. K&R - thanks for posting, this is Cointelpro on steroids
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