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Warren DeMontague
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Sat Nov-19-11 08:43 PM Original message |
Egyptian Blogger Posts Nude Photos To Protest Oppression |
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Fire Walk With Me
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Sat Nov-19-11 08:50 PM Response to Original message |
1. Burkhas, virginity tests by soldiers, oppression, sexism...it must be very freeing to pose naked! |
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Warren DeMontague
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Mon Nov-21-11 12:53 AM Response to Reply #1 |
19. Damn straight. |
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WildNovember
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Sat Nov-26-11 03:15 AM Response to Reply #1 |
72. She doesn't wear a burkha even in her usual life. She attends the American University in Cairo. |
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Fire Walk With Me
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Mon Nov-28-11 05:05 PM Response to Reply #72 |
91. Yes, I was generalizing. All steps in the right direction, thanks for the info. |
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Modern_Matthew
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Sat Nov-19-11 08:52 PM Response to Original message |
2. What a beautiful girl. nt |
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timtom
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Fri Nov-25-11 06:57 PM Response to Reply #2 |
65. Indeed! |
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MrSlayer
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Sat Nov-19-11 08:52 PM Response to Original message |
3. Brave. |
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PoliticAverse
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Sat Nov-19-11 08:54 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Brave indeed. I hope she stays safe. n/t |
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Warren DeMontague
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Sun Nov-20-11 09:07 PM Response to Reply #3 |
18. Yep |
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redqueen
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Mon Nov-21-11 02:28 PM Response to Reply #3 |
23. Well there is the obvious... |
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11 Bravo
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Mon Nov-21-11 04:03 PM Response to Reply #23 |
35. She knew she would get flamed on DU, but she posted the pics anyway! |
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Warren DeMontague
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Mon Nov-21-11 10:04 PM Response to Reply #23 |
40. She risked the ire of the Smith College Womens Studies department |
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redqueen
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Wed Nov-23-11 02:25 PM Response to Reply #3 |
47. MrSlayer would you care to answer me please? |
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MADem
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Sat Nov-19-11 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
5. The shit is hitting the fan in Egypt. It's almost like a "Devil You Know" mess. |
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Warren DeMontague
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Sun Nov-20-11 01:07 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Yeah, it's almost like a "meet the new boss" situation, it seems. nt |
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Ter
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Sat Nov-19-11 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
6. Hopefully, this will trigger a massive nude protest by women in all ME countries |
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Warren DeMontague
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Sun Nov-20-11 01:19 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. I think the best way to deal with uptight, repressive and otherwise authoritarian regimes & people |
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Electric Monk
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Sun Nov-20-11 01:18 AM Response to Original message |
8. ttiuwop |
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Warren DeMontague
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Sun Nov-20-11 01:32 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. They're not that hard to find |
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Electric Monk
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Sun Nov-20-11 01:38 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Yeah, I know. I was joking around. |
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Warren DeMontague
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Sun Nov-20-11 03:23 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Oh God, Not Prince Charles. |
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Fire Walk With Me
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Sun Nov-20-11 03:28 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Look! The lady in question is on the Queen's monitor |
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Warren DeMontague
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Mon Nov-21-11 02:16 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. I deliberately didn't link in the OP to a story with pictures |
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deutsey
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Sun Nov-20-11 07:55 AM Response to Original message |
14. Does the female form make you uncomfortable, Mr. Lebowski? n/t |
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Warren DeMontague
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Tue Nov-22-11 03:38 PM Response to Reply #14 |
41. *** |
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Earth_First
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Sun Nov-20-11 07:57 AM Response to Original message |
15. In this instance, I believe it is a form of expression... n/t |
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Warren DeMontague
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Sun Nov-20-11 04:42 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. As opposed to what other instance? |
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Warren DeMontague
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Sun Nov-20-11 07:57 PM Response to Original message |
17. We would have had better results carpet bombing the ME with porn and big screen TVs |
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Uncle Joe
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Mon Nov-21-11 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
21. I believe what most feminists have a problem with here in the U.S. isn't "oppression" so much as |
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Warren DeMontague
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Mon Nov-21-11 03:11 PM Response to Reply #21 |
32. I get that, but I also think that if everyone is a consenting adult |
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Uncle Joe
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Mon Nov-21-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Our society is predominately ruled by men; they hold most of the political and economic power. |
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Warren DeMontague
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Mon Nov-21-11 09:13 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. See, but that's one of those arguments that sounds good in a post-grad womens' studies class |
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Uncle Joe
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Wed Nov-23-11 02:22 PM Response to Reply #36 |
46. The premise in marketing that "sex sells" is monolithic with just about every product under the sun, |
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Warren DeMontague
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Wed Nov-23-11 08:22 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. I deny the idea that our sexual selves are helpless in the face of external programming. |
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Uncle Joe
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Fri Nov-25-11 05:00 PM Response to Reply #50 |
61. I never said we were helpless, but I believe the effects on society from this continuous marketing |
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Warren DeMontague
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Fri Nov-25-11 05:03 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. I think the prevalence of sex in advertising is a reflection of it's presence in peoples' brains |
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Uncle Joe
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Fri Nov-25-11 05:35 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. I partially agree with you. |
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riderinthestorm
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Fri Nov-25-11 07:17 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. I've missed this thread. I posted on the one in LBN + missed this... Anyway, I agree with Uncle Joe |
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Warren DeMontague
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Sat Nov-26-11 09:21 PM Response to Reply #66 |
73. I don't know how you get from a woman facing death threats for posting pics of herself |
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Uncle Joe
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Sun Nov-27-11 12:30 AM Response to Reply #73 |
75. By the final opinion sentence in your OP, it seemed to me you were conflating this woman's |
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Warren DeMontague
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Sun Nov-27-11 12:37 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. I don't think the so-called feminist stance against so-called exploitation is universal among |
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Uncle Joe
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Mon Nov-28-11 01:32 PM Response to Reply #76 |
85. No where in this thread did I say it was universal, having said that |
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Warren DeMontague
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Mon Nov-28-11 04:01 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Okay, well, either nude pictures by and for consenting adults constitute a form of oppression, |
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Uncle Joe
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Mon Nov-28-11 04:27 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. By your logic, preventing or opposing someone from giving a glass of water (nudity) |
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Warren DeMontague
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Mon Nov-28-11 04:35 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. The flaw with that analogy is that water and nude pictures aren't even remotely similar |
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Uncle Joe
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Mon Nov-28-11 04:58 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. The key similarity is the need to keep "context" in mind as part of your value judgment. |
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Warren DeMontague
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Mon Nov-28-11 05:24 PM Response to Reply #89 |
93. Then I guess I'm a people-power-weakener, then. |
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Uncle Joe
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Mon Nov-28-11 06:06 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. You don't have to walk in anyone else's shoes if you don't want to, that's entirely up to you. |
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Warren DeMontague
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Mon Nov-28-11 06:13 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. So to use your water analogy, if this blogger had posted nude pics of herself in the US |
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Uncle Joe
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Mon Nov-28-11 06:24 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. I don't have a problem either way, it would be "her" choice. |
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Warren DeMontague
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Mon Nov-28-11 08:57 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. So adult women in the US are helpless fungus-like beings, unable to make their own decisions, then. |
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Uncle Joe
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Tue Nov-29-11 11:26 AM Response to Reply #97 |
98. I do hope you have a higher regard for adult women in the U.S. than that. |
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JackRiddler
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Fri Nov-25-11 06:00 PM Response to Reply #50 |
64. No false dichotomies, please... |
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Warren DeMontague
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Sat Nov-26-11 12:34 AM Response to Reply #64 |
67. No False Dichotomies. Yesss. |
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JackRiddler
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Sat Nov-26-11 02:24 AM Response to Reply #67 |
70. You need to have that argument with whoever you're quoting. It's not me. |
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seabeyond
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Mon Nov-21-11 09:26 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. thank you. that is obviously about it. nt |
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Warren DeMontague
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Tue Nov-22-11 08:32 PM Response to Reply #37 |
44. so is she 'degrading herself', or not? |
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redqueen
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Mon Nov-21-11 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
22. Nude photos != pornography. |
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Warren DeMontague
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Mon Nov-21-11 02:44 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. No. |
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Warren DeMontague
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Mon Nov-21-11 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
24. According to some here, this brave young lady is 'degrading herself'. |
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redqueen
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Mon Nov-21-11 02:36 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Some = one person. |
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Warren DeMontague
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Mon Nov-21-11 02:42 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. And have you called her out on that? |
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redqueen
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Mon Nov-21-11 02:43 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Look up the definition of "opinion." |
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Warren DeMontague
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Mon Nov-21-11 02:44 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. I didn't think you'd want to talk about this, actually. |
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redqueen
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Mon Nov-21-11 02:45 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Re-read my first response to this thread. |
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Warren DeMontague
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Mon Nov-21-11 03:07 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. So nude pictures aren't "porn". ALL nude pictures? .. but pictures of people fucking ARE porn? |
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Warren DeMontague
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Sun Nov-27-11 12:56 AM Response to Reply #31 |
77. Still waitin' for an answer to those... |
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gratuitous
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Mon Nov-21-11 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
34. I thought everything was all freedom and liberty in Egypt now |
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Warren DeMontague
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Tue Nov-22-11 08:19 PM Response to Reply #34 |
42. Nope. |
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joshcryer
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Wed Nov-23-11 09:03 PM Response to Reply #34 |
58. The Middle East will take quite awhile to become multicultural. |
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kwassa
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Mon Nov-21-11 09:32 PM Response to Original message |
38. Getting naked won't bring down the military government. |
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Warren DeMontague
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Mon Nov-21-11 10:03 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. I think the mass fucking freak-out it has engendered |
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redqueen
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Wed Nov-23-11 02:28 PM Response to Reply #39 |
48. What mass freak out? (nt) |
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Warren DeMontague
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Wed Nov-23-11 08:20 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. You mean aside from the people who want this woman dead? |
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redqueen
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Wed Nov-30-11 12:39 PM Response to Reply #49 |
102. Not really. Feminist bloggers (the ones who are against objectification, anyway) |
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The Straight Story
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Tue Nov-22-11 08:22 PM Response to Original message |
43. OWS should adopt this idea |
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Warren DeMontague
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Tue Nov-22-11 09:35 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. We had a naked bike ride here in Portland back in May, I think |
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Book Lover
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Wed Nov-23-11 08:29 PM Response to Original message |
51. Just in case anyone here is interested in some feminist Egyptian perspective |
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redqueen
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Wed Nov-23-11 08:39 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Wow, thank you very much for linking to that. |
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Warren DeMontague
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Wed Nov-23-11 08:41 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. The blogger supports Alia's right to decide for herself about her own body |
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LadyHawkAZ
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Wed Nov-23-11 08:58 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. I have noticed a disturbing trend around these photos |
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Warren DeMontague
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Wed Nov-23-11 09:10 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. There's also an overdrive to explain away the inconvenient elephant in the room |
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joshcryer
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Wed Nov-23-11 08:49 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Fascinating read, thank you so much for that. The thought that the outrage was that she didn't... |
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Warren DeMontague
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Wed Nov-23-11 08:51 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Fundamentalist repressive religion is the problem, here |
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joshcryer
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Wed Nov-23-11 09:00 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. The problem is a duality promoted by commodification. |
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Warren DeMontague
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Wed Nov-23-11 09:13 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. I definitely think the fact that she's making her own choice is part of what is so threatening |
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animato
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Sat Nov-26-11 12:36 AM Response to Reply #60 |
68. Please do post it |
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Warren DeMontague
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Sat Nov-26-11 01:25 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Here's an older one: "The Brain Is Not Modular: What fMRI Really Tells Us" |
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animato
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Sun Nov-27-11 12:40 PM Response to Reply #69 |
78. Thanks Warren! nt |
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alfredo
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Tue Nov-29-11 07:48 PM Response to Reply #51 |
101. Excellent article. I guess I was looking for political/cultural |
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WildNovember
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Sat Nov-26-11 02:57 AM Response to Original message |
71. picture |
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Warren DeMontague
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Sat Nov-26-11 09:29 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. that's not her. |
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Ter
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Sun Nov-27-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. Thank God |
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WildNovember
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Sun Nov-27-11 06:15 PM Response to Reply #74 |
80. I know. it was a joke. fyi. i put up a picture of the real person elsewhere in the thread. fyi. |
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Warren DeMontague
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Sun Nov-27-11 08:34 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. for the record |
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WildNovember
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Mon Nov-28-11 02:12 AM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Yes, glorious freedom. Isn't it wonderful, we can all post nude pictures of ourselves for the world |
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Warren DeMontague
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Mon Nov-28-11 02:38 AM Response to Reply #83 |
84. Yeah, actually, it is wonderful. |
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Taverner
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Sun Nov-27-11 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
82. LOL - yes, if you fight oppression in this way, you are oppression.. |
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Fire Walk With Me
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Mon Nov-28-11 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
90. Imma start using the word "Nude" in all of my #Occupy threads so they'll stay kicked for weeks. |
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Blue_Tires
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Mon Nov-28-11 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
92. I approve of the message |
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alfredo
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Tue Nov-29-11 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
99. The image is a casual portrait. There is nothing sexual |
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redqueen
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Tue Nov-29-11 01:40 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. See post #51 |
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