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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 09:58 PM Original message |
Glenn Greenwald: Here's how White House aligned groups are going to try and co-opt OWS movement |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
1. Occupyers need to take the Democratic Party over. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 10:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. The chances of that happening are somewhere between zero and none. |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 10:45 PM Response to Reply #3 |
13. Start at the bottom. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 11:32 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. OWS is not "pissing in the wind" as you put it. We should fight on our terms and build movements. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 11:43 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. If all you do is see this from a partisan point of view yup |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 11:12 AM Response to Reply #19 |
38. Three. Jobs. And me, too. nt |
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Admiral Loinpresser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 11:49 AM Response to Reply #13 |
41. The right wing takeover took about 20 years. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 02:01 AM Response to Reply #3 |
28. Not hardly. Most of the ones I hang with have been doing issue-specific organizing |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 11:24 PM Response to Reply #1 |
16. T Party was a rebranding effort led |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 11:57 PM Response to Reply #1 |
23. How are we doing so far? |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 10:05 PM Response to Original message |
2. What if this was started by people allied with the WH? |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 10:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Van Jones was dumped by the White House because of right-wing Republican demands. |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 10:23 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. That does not mean that he is not involved in this. He is. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 10:27 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. That's true. Perhaps he wasn't shoved under the bus hard enough. |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. I have no clue as to what you are saying. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 11:22 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. You don't know what happened to him? Well, here's how he was dumped by the White House |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 11:53 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. Van Jones offered to quit. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 09:58 AM Response to Reply #21 |
37. If the White House had defended him do you think Van Jones would have "quit"? |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 02:47 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. I have faith in Van Jones. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 11:56 PM Response to Reply #8 |
22. Lots of groups are supporting OWS, but they aren't really "involved" in it. |
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 03:08 PM Response to Reply #6 |
44. Van Jones withdrew on his own. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 11:53 PM Response to Reply #2 |
20. It wasn't. Van Jones has a separate movement -- Rebuild the American Dream. |
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_ed_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 09:39 AM Response to Reply #2 |
36. Do you realize how much money Goldmann-Sachs gave to Obama? |
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quinnox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 10:13 PM Response to Original message |
4. I see this a lot, trying to equate what the OWS goals are with the Democratic |
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PATRICK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 10:14 PM Response to Original message |
5. The 2008 gains |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 10:23 PM Response to Original message |
7. LOL. OWS is more likely to produce votes for a write-in candidate |
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libinnyandia (526 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 10:30 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. That could very likely turn out like 2000 |
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2pooped2pop (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 07:59 AM Response to Reply #7 |
30. agree |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
14. It won't work, in fact the more these groups do this, the more |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 11:37 PM Response to Original message |
18. knr nt |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 12:08 AM Response to Original message |
24. I agree with the OP - THERE IS ONE FUNDAMENTAL DISTINCTION... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 12:25 AM Response to Reply #24 |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 12:33 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. A global party at that! n/t |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 02:46 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. That is nonsense unless there is an ongoing voter contact database |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 09:05 AM Response to Reply #29 |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 02:50 PM Response to Reply #29 |
43. This movement is really not about status quo politics... |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 04:37 PM Response to Reply #43 |
51. Correct, movements always carry the day for social advances. However-- |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 08:03 AM Response to Reply #24 |
31. 100% correct |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 11:12 AM Response to Reply #24 |
46. +1. Democrats need to bag and bury the Third Way and neo-liberalism. |
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Tarheel_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 12:21 AM Response to Original message |
25. Glenn still "looking at Gary Johnson"? Like minded Republicans of DU, UNITE!!! |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 11:14 AM Response to Reply #25 |
39. +1 |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 11:23 AM Response to Reply #25 |
49. but i already put money on the bothers of the effed up teeth!!1! |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 08:10 AM Response to Original message |
32. recommend |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 08:13 AM Response to Original message |
33. If the White House was doing the right thing, OWS wouldn't exist. |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 09:14 AM Response to Original message |
35. So Greenwald has spoken and OWS is not interested in |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 10:29 AM Response to Reply #35 |
45. Democrats and Unions are already part of OWS. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
40. Looks like Greenwald is pissed that not everyone is buying his narrative. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
47. Fortunately, the attempts of the establishment to buy out OWS is getting a NO SALE response. |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
48. Herding Occupy to the Dems is going on -- |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
50. I don't see how wanting people to vote is bad. |
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