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hack89
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Sun Nov-20-11 11:49 AM Original message |
The dilemma OWS faces concerning next years elections |
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Vincardog
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Sun Nov-20-11 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
1. The problem is that we have a " ruling elite " the process is corrupt and serves only the .001%. . |
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hack89
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Sun Nov-20-11 12:06 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. So how does OWS effect real change? |
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Vincardog
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Sun Nov-20-11 12:10 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Do you believe that POLITICS is the ONLY mechanism for CHANGE? |
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hack89
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Sun Nov-20-11 12:13 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Lets hear your viable alternative. |
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Vincardog
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Sun Nov-20-11 12:18 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. OWS should continue to grow until it can call a WORLD WIDE STRIKE. SHUT IT ALL DOWN. |
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hack89
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Sun Nov-20-11 12:24 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. And why do you assume OWS has that kind of support? |
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Vincardog
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Sun Nov-20-11 12:31 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. there are lots of cities and states where there is no occupy movement. YET. What part of Continue to |
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hack89
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Sun Nov-20-11 01:45 PM Response to Reply #29 |
43. But they are not growing. |
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Vincardog
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Sun Nov-20-11 01:56 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. If they are totally irrelevant why are you so worried about their desired action?? |
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hack89
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Sun Nov-20-11 01:59 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Because I want them to be relevant. nt |
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bhikkhu
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Sun Nov-20-11 12:20 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. The GOP sweep of the mid-terms brought real change |
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firehorse
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Sun Nov-20-11 01:47 PM Response to Reply #7 |
44. They are successful just the way they are... leaderless and w no hiearchy |
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hack89
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Sun Nov-20-11 01:57 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. How are you define success? |
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firehorse
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Sun Nov-20-11 02:08 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. the silent majority are already talking, its a large growing movement, that makes it a success |
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hack89
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Sun Nov-20-11 02:14 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. People at the occupy sites are a self selected minority |
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firehorse
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Sun Nov-20-11 02:40 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. The volunteer protestors are like congressmen, each representing thousands in 99% |
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hack89
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Sun Nov-20-11 08:23 PM Response to Reply #57 |
63. I don't want to feel good |
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rucky
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Sun Nov-20-11 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
2. Politicians face the dilemma, not OWS. |
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hack89
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Sun Nov-20-11 12:09 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. If OWS is not a viable threat to the politicians then the politicians have no dilemma |
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firehorse
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Sun Nov-20-11 01:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
45. exactly +1 |
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msongs
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Sun Nov-20-11 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
3. OWS is not about influencing elections. a president with no leadership skills is irrelevant nt |
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hack89
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Sun Nov-20-11 12:05 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. So OSW is all about righteous unfocused anger and not political change? |
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msongs
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Sun Nov-20-11 12:22 PM Response to Reply #6 |
23. OWS is not about endorsing the lies of a particular candidate who is being an opportunist |
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hack89
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Sun Nov-20-11 12:26 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. So what are they about when it comes to elections? |
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sabrina 1
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Sun Nov-20-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #26 |
40. They are about taking the money out of politics. |
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hack89
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Sun Nov-20-11 08:41 PM Response to Reply #40 |
68. So should all of us involved in political campaigns stop right now? |
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RoccoR5955
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Sun Nov-20-11 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
4. What if they run their own candidate? |
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Sun Nov-20-11 12:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
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hack89
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Sun Nov-20-11 12:10 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. That's what I want - they cannot ignore the political process. |
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Vincardog
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Sun Nov-20-11 12:16 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. So you believe that politics is the only answer. Do you also believe that the existing political sys |
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hack89
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Sun Nov-20-11 12:17 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. In the absence of a viable alternative from you - yes. nt |
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jwirr
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Sun Nov-20-11 01:38 PM Response to Reply #15 |
41. For me politics at the moment is a holding pattern that allows us |
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Telly Savalas
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Sun Nov-20-11 09:48 PM Response to Reply #15 |
70. Nothing changes until the rules change. |
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mythology
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Sun Nov-20-11 01:41 PM Response to Reply #4 |
42. Is there anything to suggest that the OWS movement has |
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RoccoR5955
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Sun Nov-20-11 01:56 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. What about Congressional and Senatorial elections? |
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TheKentuckian
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Sun Nov-20-11 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
9. What in the world makes you think that the election will be about how our problems will be fixed? |
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hack89
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Sun Nov-20-11 12:12 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. How do you envision OWS changing the system? |
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MedleyMisty
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Sun Nov-20-11 12:35 PM Response to Reply #12 |
31. Continuing to get beaten in the streets is a good next step |
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Vincardog
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Sun Nov-20-11 12:14 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Bingo "Throwing in with an unreformed Democratic party is worse than doing nothing because it means |
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roseBudd
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Sun Nov-20-11 12:21 PM Response to Reply #9 |
21. The problem is there are no easy fixes, this is literally a Humpty Dumpty FUBAR.... |
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roseBudd
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Sun Nov-20-11 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
16. I disagree, the difference between FDR & Obama is FDR became POTUS 3 yrs into... |
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hack89
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Sun Nov-20-11 12:21 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. Politicians care about votes not mandates |
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roseBudd
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Sun Nov-20-11 12:31 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. It just seems that way because the hard core activists are pleased with their hard coreness... |
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fasttense
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Sun Nov-20-11 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
20. The whole system may have to come down before |
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hack89
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Sun Nov-20-11 12:23 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Short of violent revolution, exactly how do you do that? |
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roseBudd
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Sun Nov-20-11 12:32 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. The world's largest economy being tore down would impact the entire globe... |
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MedleyMisty
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Sun Nov-20-11 01:04 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. The 99% of the entire globe want capitalism to end |
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roseBudd
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Sun Nov-20-11 02:30 PM Response to Reply #35 |
55. no they don't, despite your assumption that starvation is no big woop |
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MedleyMisty
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Sun Nov-20-11 12:54 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. Why do pro status quo people always go straight to "violent revolution"? |
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TheKentuckian
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Sun Nov-20-11 04:03 PM Response to Reply #32 |
61. Because when you have won the last flippable heart and mind and still face an intractable enemy |
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hack89
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Sun Nov-20-11 08:30 PM Response to Reply #32 |
65. You misunderstand - I reject violent change out of hand |
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fasttense
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Sun Nov-20-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #24 |
33. I'm not sure how OWS envisions it but |
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hack89
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Sun Nov-20-11 08:35 PM Response to Reply #33 |
66. MLK and the civil rights movement were deep into the political process |
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bvar22
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Sun Nov-20-11 02:31 PM Response to Reply #24 |
56. The Populist Reforms sweeping across Latin America... |
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Vincardog
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Sun Nov-20-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. I believe somebody is trying to force everyone else into a political box. SOmebody is not you Fast |
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hack89
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Sun Nov-20-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #27 |
47. I am a practical person - I look for practical solutions |
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shraby
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Sun Nov-20-11 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
34. Maybe...just maybe they plan to influence the elections by |
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Morning Dew
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Sun Nov-20-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. +1 |
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hack89
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Sun Nov-20-11 02:10 PM Response to Reply #34 |
53. Half the country supports the police |
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firehorse
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Sun Nov-20-11 03:00 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. Are you saying that the 89 year old woman pepper sprayed is a "dirty hippy" that meme is archaic |
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hack89
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Sun Nov-20-11 08:38 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. I am not quoting Newt |
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MilesColtrane
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Sun Nov-20-11 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
36. "just how does OWS plan to influence them?" |
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Telly Savalas
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Sun Nov-20-11 10:14 PM Response to Reply #36 |
71. As someone entrenched in the "change ultimately comes from the ballot box" camp |
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Tierra_y_Libertad
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Sun Nov-20-11 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
38. Non-participation in a corrupt system can be very influential. |
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tcaudilllg
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Sun Nov-20-11 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
39. Wrong |
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Vincardog
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Sun Nov-20-11 01:49 PM Response to Reply #39 |
46. IF three OWS people showed up at my local "democratic party" function, they would be the majority |
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tcaudilllg
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Sun Nov-20-11 04:10 PM Response to Reply #46 |
62. Then maybe you have some work to do. |
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Zorra
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Sun Nov-20-11 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
58. We don't fear anything, because the essence of who we are |
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philly_bob
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Sun Nov-20-11 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
59. Hack89 you don't get it. |
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hack89
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Sun Nov-20-11 09:34 PM Response to Reply #59 |
69. Why then? And what exactly should they do after the convention? nt |
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SidDithers
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Sun Nov-20-11 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
64. K&R. Good questions in this thread...nt |
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