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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 01:05 PM Original message |
Here is a primary reason why an individual leader would be deadly to OWS: |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
1. Kick |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
2. K&R. Exactly spot on. nt |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
3. They do need someone who can say what's from OWS and what's bullshit. |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 01:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Your concern is noted. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 01:41 PM Response to Reply #7 |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 01:21 AM Response to Reply #7 |
48. unfortunately, the last cell... |
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Beartracks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 02:20 AM Response to Reply #7 |
56. I hear the "why don't they occupy a job" one a lot. |
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tblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 02:27 AM Response to Reply #7 |
58. That cartoon is so perfect! |
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12AngryBorneoWildmen (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 10:36 AM Response to Reply #7 |
84. Translate por favor. |
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Diclotican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 10:48 AM Response to Reply #84 |
85. 12AngryBorneoWildmen |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 12:18 PM Response to Reply #84 |
95. Who shall guard the guardians? |
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saras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 08:11 AM Response to Reply #3 |
72. "there's no way to know what's real and what's not." Yes there is - intelligence |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #72 |
101. So, you'll believe any flyer that purports to come from "OWS" if it SOUNDS good to you? |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 08:37 AM Response to Reply #3 |
76. Fail. nt |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-11 12:25 PM Response to Reply #76 |
97. Your opinion. Not fact. NT |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-11 12:35 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. Yup, my opinion. fail is still fail, though. nt |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. It's your opinion, though. So I'll give it the weight I feel it deserves. nt |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-11 12:49 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. much like yours. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-11 12:50 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. I'm not going to childishly bellow "FAIL" because I don't happen to agree with you. |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-11 04:37 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. sorry to hear that... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 12:09 PM Response to Reply #3 |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 02:11 PM Response to Reply #93 |
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bengalherder (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
4. k&r n/t |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
5. The 1% want us play by the rules they set up since those rules are decidedly in favor of the 1% |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
6. K&R n/t |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
8. The dog was good. |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 04:15 PM Response to Reply #8 |
29. Yep. She's smart, photogenic, and loyal. nt |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
9. Given how many leaders of the slightly left of center were assassinated last century |
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caledesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 02:40 PM Response to Reply #9 |
19. Well said W! n/t |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 12:19 AM Response to Reply #9 |
39. Why would they bother the leaders? They really embraced these guys... |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 04:28 AM Response to Reply #39 |
63. I have no idea who these people are |
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rampart (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 05:17 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. the chicago seven |
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KT2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 04:24 AM Response to Reply #9 |
62. That was my thought as well |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 07:03 AM Response to Reply #9 |
66. Or her. I'd like to think we've reached a point where a woman would be as... |
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tnlurker (698 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
10. K&R |
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n2doc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
11. Of Course. The moment said leader arrives |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
13. There would also be the danger of assassination. nt |
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caledesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 02:42 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. Well said raccoon! n/t |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
14. I said this same thing a while ago...... |
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felix_numinous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
15. K&R! Collective activism= self empowerment. |
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sweetapogee (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
16. right now |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 02:32 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. C'mon. Give us a bit more credit. |
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sweetapogee (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 02:35 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. allow me to explain |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 02:40 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Gotcha. Post retracted. |
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caledesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 02:46 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. No....that is a GOP "value"...$$$ N/T |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 03:16 PM Response to Reply #16 |
25. Nope. That's wrong. |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
22. That's silly |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 03:01 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. sorry, but that is so wrong. After the damage was done, OWS would be toast. |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 03:35 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. That's a good point. Essentially we leave them flailing at the wind looking for single target.... |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 05:03 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. Again, that's silly |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 05:40 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Silly, yes. Nice framing! Again.But not appropriate. Anyway, |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 09:42 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Continued. |
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RoccoR5955 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 02:06 AM Response to Reply #30 |
52. OWS will NEVER be defeated because |
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harmonicon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 09:58 AM Response to Reply #30 |
80. You don't get it at all, do you? |
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harmonicon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 09:53 AM Response to Reply #24 |
79. +1 (nt) |
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Hutzpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
27. So from now on anyone that comes to DU with the idea |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 09:51 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. how about spokespeople? all of us here on DU are political junkies. |
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harmonicon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 10:01 AM Response to Reply #33 |
81. NO!! Don't you get it?! |
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Hutzpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 11:23 AM Response to Reply #81 |
90. I think he gets it |
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Owlet (765 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
28. Similar exchange here |
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Ricochet21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
34. K&R |
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firehorse (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
35. Yes the 1% desperately wants them to have an alpha leader to squash - a group is much better |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 11:32 PM Response to Original message |
36. Julian Assange was very easy for them to attack and hobble. |
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firehorse (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 11:44 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Good point. Bad idea for anyone to be singled out. It's like that story: The Lottery |
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Lars77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 01:55 AM Response to Reply #36 |
50. I tried to make that argument even before those criminal charges arose but i was laughed at on here |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 11:14 AM Response to Reply #50 |
89. Excellent point. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 11:34 PM Response to Original message |
37. K&R nt |
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JoeyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 12:37 AM Response to Original message |
40. Agreed. |
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Tumbulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 12:42 AM Response to Original message |
41. great reasons and the only way to |
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SaveOurDemocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 12:42 AM Response to Original message |
42. I couldn't agree more!! LEADER = TARGET |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 12:47 AM Response to Original message |
43. You're right, Zorra. But it's so hard to get used to. REC. nt |
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Contrary1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 12:50 AM Response to Original message |
44. Not to mention the immediate attention a leader would get |
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loyalsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 01:06 AM Response to Original message |
45. A large bunch claiming anonymity doesn't even need to be trashed |
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Chan790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 01:06 AM Response to Original message |
46. I've started telling religious conservative aggressors that the "leader" is "the example of Christ". |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 08:17 AM Response to Reply #46 |
73. I encourage you to make your post an OP and expand on the ideas you have.. |
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The Second Stone (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 01:10 AM Response to Original message |
47. Spot on |
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h2ebits (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 01:34 AM Response to Original message |
49. Horizontal vs. Vertical Leadership |
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Kaleko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 02:18 AM Response to Reply #49 |
55. Mighty fine post & analysis. |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 04:01 AM Response to Reply #49 |
61. k & r |
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peace frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 06:27 AM Response to Reply #49 |
65. The great awakening has begun |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 09:10 AM Response to Reply #49 |
78. Welcome to DU. |
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firehorse (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 10:19 AM Response to Reply #49 |
83. Good post, welcome. Make a thread on the topic please to further discussion. |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 11:34 AM Response to Reply #49 |
91. Sweet!!! Welcome to DU! |
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Bozita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 01:56 AM Response to Original message |
51. Spot on! ... Well stated, Zorra. ... Recommended. |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 02:12 AM Response to Original message |
53. Yep. - K&R n/t |
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Beartracks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 02:15 AM Response to Original message |
54. Wow, you've just described democracy! n/t |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 02:24 AM Response to Original message |
57. No problem. |
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ArcticFox (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 02:27 AM Response to Original message |
59. Three Reasons in Nine Letters |
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NuttyFluffers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 03:56 AM Response to Original message |
60. "Cult of Personality" -- Living Colour |
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DinahMoeHum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 07:22 AM Response to Original message |
67. Better that OWS should have a thousand piranhas than one shark. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 07:30 AM Response to Original message |
68. There is no disputing this. kr |
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LittleGirl (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 07:51 AM Response to Original message |
69. excellent thread |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 07:56 AM Response to Original message |
70. K&R nt |
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Uben (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 07:56 AM Response to Original message |
71. I agree.... |
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Tumbulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 10:56 AM Response to Reply #71 |
88. fabulous comments , I agree (nt) |
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Courtesy Flush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 08:18 AM Response to Original message |
74. We need an army of leaders nt |
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groovedaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 08:20 AM Response to Original message |
75. Beware of the plants too! They were used a lot in the anti-war movement this go round. They are |
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dotymed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 08:41 AM Response to Original message |
77. So true n/t |
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certainot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
82. OWS is one of the only political entities last 20 yrs that has been able to message over RW radio. |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
86. Excellent points. Since Nov. 22, 1963 liberal leaders have systematically |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
87. Good point. Since JFK they have been systematically targeting |
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deaniac21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-11 12:33 PM Response to Reply #87 |
98. They started with Abe Lincoln. |
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Mosaic (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
92. Agreed. There are many leaders |
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bottom line (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
94. Shelby |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-11 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
104. Can't rec, so I'll kick n/t |
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