Hold The White House To What They Said In August About The SuperCommittee And Taxes

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"If it fails either to produce something or if Congress fails to act on it, you can be sure that the President will honor his promise to veto any legislation that would extend the Bush high-income tax cuts beyond 2012, which would, of course, create nearly $1 trillion in revenue raisers when that happens."

read: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/08/01/press-briefing-press-secretary-jay-carney-812011


White House officials said Obama would veto an extension even if it were coupled with a continuation of cuts for middle class Americans that he supports.

"The president has made clear that if we don't have comprehensive tax reform, he is not going to extend," one official said.

"And those in Congress will have to decide whether or not they will then allow the middle-class tax cuts to expire. Our sense is they probably won't. So, again, I think that's an incentive for everybody."

read: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/01/obama-debt-ceiling-deal-bush-tax-cuts_n_914708.html

[Cronus Protagonist]

1. Get Obama to say he'll veto on national TV and I'll believe it

He can't back down then.

If he doesn't do that, we already know he's got the spine of a jellyfish/he's really on their side - doesn't matter which is true for each is effectively true anyway.

[secondwind]

3. He did.... This afternoon....

[Cronus Protagonist]

13. I watched that clip. He only threatened to veto any new bill that would cancel the automatic cuts

Apples and oranges.

[jaxx]

4. Watch the video from today and believe it.

How do you post a video here? See it at the link.

msnbc.com: Obama: I will veto attempt to undo spending cuts

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/msnbc-tv/45392643/#45392643

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8. no repeat of his threat

. . . to veto an extension of the wealthy tax cuts.

He did mention them in the opening, though. I don't know if he considered all of the spending cuts and the tax cuts together. That's not how he's addressed them in the past.

[jaxx]

14. He addressed not raising taxes for the middle class.

[Cronus Protagonist]

17. weasel room

Politicians love that.

[orpupilofnature57]

2. They need a vested interest ,and their labors need to be identified.

What are their goals and how do they achieve them?

[Lasher]

5. "...if we don't have comprehensive tax reform, he is not going to extend..."

He said before he wouldn't extend the Bush/Obama tax cuts for the wealthy again, no matter what. Now he's saying he'll extend if there's comprehensive tax reform, whatever that is.

The President responded by saying it was vital to have revenues as part of the mix, stressing that a budget can't be balanced on non-defense discretionary spending or the "backs of the most vulnerable." Obama added, according to the member, that, "he would not support extending the Bush tax cuts for the top two percent again no matter what hostages Republicans took."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/02/obama-pledges-no-bush-tax-cut-extension_n_870680.html

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7. where did he say that he'd allow the wealthy cuts to be extended?

[Lasher]

9. It is in the title of my post #5, which I derived from your OP.

This rhetoric is ominous if you don't want the Bush/Obama tax cuts for the wealthy to be extended yet again. He's creating wiggle room.

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10. I took 'comprehensive reform' to mean the elimination of the wealthy tax

. . . reinforcing the declaration that he won't extend the middle class cuts if coupled with the wealthy ones.

Any other interpretation directly contradicts the veto threat.

[Lasher]

12. I hope you are right but look out when you see weasel words like 'comprehensive'.

It's the type of rhetoric that intentionally leaves a lot of room for interpretation.

[Philosopher King]

6. "...if we don't have comprehensive tax reform, he is not going to extend,"

Comprehensive...? :rofl: Wouldn't that require quite a few creative accountants and lawyers to get real jobs?

The company reported worldwide profits of $14.2 billion, and said $5.1 billion of the total came from its operations in the United States...Its American tax bill? None. In fact, G.E. claimed a tax benefit of $3.2 billion. Its extraordinary success is based on an aggressive strategy that mixes fierce lobbying for tax breaks and innovative accounting...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/business/economy/25tax.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

[orpupilofnature57]

11. Friendly Fascism ?

[JDPriestly]

15. This is Obama's last chance. If he switches horses in the middle

of the race on this one, he will no longer be able to claim credibility.

[Cronus Protagonist]

16. That ship sailed a year or two ago

We know he's a caver/on their side. We know he's always handing good money after bad. We know he backs down more than he stands up to fight. And since we all know that, we have to to push the reluctant leader into not going with his spineless gut on this one, and every point of action going forward. As I said, that ship sailed and Obama wasn't on it.

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18. .

[edhopper]

19. In other words

the tax cuts which were a disaster for this country, which never should have been extended, are going to be made permanent with the blessings of our Dem President.
Whoopee!

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22. nothing says that here

In fact, the White House has said the opposite

[edhopper]

26. I can read between the lines

"If Congress does nothing", in other words, Congress just has to do something (anything) to justify making the Bush Tax Cuts permanent, as they did last time with the extension, and Obama will let it go.

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28. the extension of the middle class tax cuts

were the only reason the President agreed to the extension -- that, and the looming debt ceiling deadline. The WH has already said he wouldn't accept the extension, even as part of a bill extending the middle-class breaks. There really isn't anything else pending that would come close to justifying an extension and the WH hasn't indicated they believe anything would justify an extension. There's nothing 'between the lines' to alter any of that reality. The administration should be challenged (by us and the media) to hold to his veto threat.

[edhopper]

30. I hope you are right

I doubt it though.

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31. I hope we can get someone to ask him about this directly

. . . and get a direct answer.

[Fumesucker]

20. You owe me a lung..

That's the best laugh I've had in weeks..

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21. what don't you get about holding politicians accountable?

laughing it up just doesn't cut it

[Fumesucker]

23. I get it that it doesn't happen..

One word: Dubya.

ETA: I called the private mandate on Nov 19 of 2008..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4494168&mesg_id=4494251

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24. I think cynicism is surrender

[Fumesucker]

25. Not cynicism, reality..

The responsibility for one's actions is inversely proportional to one's status.

The higher the status the less responsibility and the lower the status the more the responsibility.

I'm amazed at how many people can't see this, it's evident everywhere you look.

[Major Hogwash]

27. That is the 2nd stupidest thing I have ever read at the DU.

And after 7 years, that is WAY the hell up there.

[Fumesucker]

29. I love you too..

:hug: