Conservatives views with no proof!

[Andrew_Writer]

Hi!

I need help for forthcoming book about conservatives and I need help making a list of things conservatives believe in but never seem to offer any evidence for. A few examples, a lot of liberals are on welfare, critizising Bush emboldens the terrorists, Obama is a Marxist....

Thanks in Advance!

Andrew

[Arctic Dave]

1. Climate change.

Liberals don't own guns.
Liberals don't serve in the military

[DJ13]

2. Supplyside economics is one of their bigger tall tales

[Zoeisright]

3. All of them.

[SammyWinstonJack]

19. plus++++

Every last one of them!

[Skittles]

4. every piece of shit anti-Democratic email propaganda they receive

they don't bother doing a minute's worth of web research to find out it's bullshit - they just get outraged and do a mass send

here's the latest one they've sent me (I live in Texas so I am surrounded by stupid conservatives):


Amazing that the Wash Post would actually print this re Obama.

The Washington Post
August 18, 2011 Obama: The Affirmative Action President by Matt Patterson
(columnist - Washington Post, New York Post, San Francisco Examiner)

Years from now, historians may regard the 2008 election of Barack Obama as
an inscrutable and disturbing phenomenon, a baffling breed of mass hysteria
akin perhaps to the witch craze of the Middle Ages. How, they will wonder,
did a man so devoid of professional accomplishment beguile so many into
thinking he could manage the world's largest economy, direct the world's
most powerful military, execute the world's most consequential job?

Imagine a future historian examining Obama's pre-presidential life: ushered
into and through the Ivy League despite unremarkable grades and test scores
along the way; a cushy non-job as a "community organizer"; a brief career as
a state legislator devoid of legislative achievement (and in fact nearly
devoid of his attention, so often did he vote "present") ; and finally an
unaccomplished single term in the United States Senate, the entirety of
which was devoted to his presidential ambitions. He left no academic legacy
in academia, authored no signature legislation as a legislator.

And then there is the matter of his troubling associations: the
white-hating, America-loathing preacher who for decades served as Obama's
"spiritual mentor"; a real-life, actual terrorist who served as Obama's
colleague and political sponsor. It is easy to imagine a future historian
looking at it all and asking: how on Earth was such a man elected president?
Not content to wait for history, the incomparable Norman Podhoretz addressed
the question recently in the Wall Street Journal:

To be sure, no white candidate who had close associations with an outspoken
hater of America like Jeremiah Wright and an unrepentant terrorist like Bill
Ayers, would have lasted a single day. But because Mr. Obama was black, and
therefore entitled in the eyes of liberaldom to have hung out with
protesters against various American injustices, even if they were a bit
extreme, he was given a pass.

Let that sink in: Obama was given a pass -- held to a lower standard --
because of the color of his skin. Podhoretz continues:

And in any case, what did such ancient history matter when he was also so
articulate and elegant and (as he himself had said) "non-threatening," all
of which gave him a fighting chance to become the first black president and
thereby to lay the curse of racism to rest?

Podhoretz puts his finger, I think, on the animating pulse of the Obama
phenomenon -- affirmative action. Not in the legal sense, of course. But
certainly in the motivating sentiment behind all affirmative action laws and
regulations, which are designed primarily to make white people, and
especially white liberals, feel good about themselves.

Unfortunately, minorities often suffer so that whites can pat themselves on
the back. Liberals routinely admit minorities to schools for which they are
not qualified, yet take no responsibility for the inevitable poor
performance and high drop-out rates which follow. Liberals don't care if
these minority students fail; liberals aren't around to witness the
emotional devastation and deflated self esteem resulting from the racist
policy that is affirmative action. Yes, racist.

Holding someone to a separate standard merely because of the color of his
skin -- that's affirmative action in a nutshell, and if that isn't racism,
then nothing is. And that is what America did to Obama.

True, Obama himself was never troubled by his lack of achievements, but why
would he be? As many have noted, Obama was told he was good enough for
Columbia despite undistinguished grades at Occidental; he was told he was
good enough for the US Senate despite a mediocre record in Illinois; he was
told he was good enough to be president despite no record at all in the
Senate. All his life, every step of the way, Obama was told he was good
enough for the next step, in spite of ample evidence to the contrary. What
could this breed if not the sort of empty narcissism on display every time
Obama speaks?

In 2008, many who agreed that he lacked executive qualifications nonetheless
raved about Obama's oratory skills, intellect, and cool character. Those
people -- conservatives included -- ought now to be deeply embarrassed. The
man thinks and speaks in the hoariest of cliches, and that's when he has
his teleprompter in front of him; when the prompter is absent he can barely
think or speak at all. Not one original idea has ever issued from his mouth
-- it's all warmed-over Marxism of the kind that has failed over and over
again for 100 years.

And what about his character? Obama is constantly blaming anything and
everything else for his troubles. Bush did it; it was bad luck; I inherited
this mess. It is embarrassing to see a president so willing to advertise his
own powerlessness, so comfortable with his own incompetence. But really,
what were we to expect? The man has never been responsible for anything, so
how do we expect him to act responsibly?

In short: our president is a small and small-minded man, with neither the
temperament nor the intellect to handle his job. When you understand that,
and only when you understand that, will the current erosion of liberty and
prosperity make sense. It could not have gone otherwise with such a man in
the Oval Office.

[Orrex]

5. Hmm...

Tell us more about this book you're planning.

For instance, why don't you give us a list of these Conservative beliefs that you've compiled so far, rather than showing up here with your hat in your hand?

[Zorra]

6. Under Reagan, we went from being the world's largest creditor nation to being

the worlds largest debtor nation in a mere 8 years.

Democrats are more fiscally efficient in government than conservatives

Supply side economics is a disaster.

The Bush tax cuts have not created any substantial number of new jobs.

Obama was born in Kenya.

Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11

Iraq had WMD before Bush invaded.

[abelenkpe]

13. Iraq had WMD and hid them in Syria to make Bush look bad

At least that's what my conservative relatives would say.

See Iraq didn't mind being bombed and occupied but they worked overtime to make Bush look bad. :eyes:

[Courtesy Flush]

7. The media has a liberal bias nt

[tabatha]

8. Check out these graphs.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/speakerpelosi/sets/72157623367757714/detail/

Also, right-wingers tend to judge the group by the individual, when it should be the other way around - judge the individual and not the group.

[Motown_Johnny]

9. that is going to be one huge ass book,

why not limit yourself to things that have been proven false?


WMD in Iraq

Saddam involved with 9-11

tax cuts increase revenues

people on welfare are on drugs (use the Florida info for that one)

Obama not born in USA

The list is endless because it increases with each passing moment.

Don't forget about the "Backfire Effect" as well as the physiological differences conservatives display.


http://scienceblogs.com/cortex/2008/09/why_the_facts_dont_matter_in_p.php

^snip^

Why the Facts Don't Matter in Politics
Posted on: September 15, 2008 2:54 PM, by Jonah Lehrer

I think this experiment helps explains a rather disturbing amount of our political discourse. What it neatly demonstrates is that the main reason so many campaigns traffic in dishonest allegations and pseudofacts is that, when it comes to voters, the facts don't really matter. Most of us are just partisan hacks:



-A similar "backfire effect" also influenced conservatives told about Bush administration assertions that tax cuts increase federal revenue. One group was offered a refutation by prominent economists that included current and former Bush administration officials. About 35 percent of conservatives told about the Bush claim believed it; 67 percent of those provided with both assertion and refutation believed that tax cuts increase revenue.


-The Princeton political scientist Larry Bartels analyzed survey data from the 1990's to prove the same point. During the first term of Bill Clinton's presidency, the budget deficit declined by more than 90 percent. However, when Republican voters were asked in 1996 what happened to the deficit under Clinton, more than 55 percent said that it had increased. What's interesting about this data is that so-called "high-information" voters - these are the Republicans who read the newspaper, watch cable news and can identify their representatives in Congress - weren't better informed than "low-information" voters. (The sole exception was Republicans who are ranked in the top 10 percent in terms of political information. As Bartels notes, it's only among these people that "the pull of objective reality begins to become apparent.") These citizens According to Bartels, the reason knowing more about politics doesn't erase partisan bias is that voters tend to only assimilate those facts that confirm what they already believe. If a piece of information doesn't follow Republican talking points - and Clinton's deficit reduction didn't fit the "tax and spend liberal" stereotype - then the information is conveniently ignored. "Voters think that they're thinking," Bartels says, "but what they're really doing is inventing facts or ignoring facts so that they can rationalize decisions they've already made." Once we identify with a political party, the world is edited so that it fits with our ideology.



http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/09/fearmongering-h

^snip^

Conservatives Scare More Easily Than Liberals, Say Scientists
By Brandon Keim September 18, 2008 | 2:09 pm


Deep-seated political differences aren’t simply moral and intellectual: They’re also biological.

In reflex tests of 46 political partisans, psychologists found that conservatives were more likely than liberals to be shocked by sudden threats.

Accompanying the physiological differences were deep differences on hot-button political issues: military expansion, the Iraq war, gun control, capital punishment, the Patriot act, warrantless searches, foreign aid, abortion rights, gay marriage, premarital sex and pornography.





*Edit to add* Welcome to DU!

[bigwillq]

10. Hello

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[treestar]

11. That once on welfare, people stay on it for generations

They take what may be the occasional strange case and turn it into every case.

There are stats that most people go on welfare temporarily.

And there are more white than black people on welfare. The right insists that "the black" family is messed up by welfare, yet the rates of divorce are not exactly all that good in any social grouping in this country today.

[Bryn]

12. I'd like to know why "conservatives" call themselves "conservatives"??

When in fact they're the biggest spenders, the worst. They don't care for environmental protection, clean water, clean air, destroy endangered species..they don't want to preserve. Drill, Baby, Drill, fracking, deregulation of banks, dumping chemicals in water, etc.

To conserve is to preserve so why are they called "conservatives"? They want to take away Social Security to give to the Wall Street, kill Medicare/Medicaid because they want money from insurance companies in return. They don't want to preserve SS/Medicare/Medicaid that have worked well for many years.

Some Republicans can be liberal like Ike & Rockefeller. Some democrats can be "conservatives" like Blanche Lincoln.

Today GOPers are the servants for 1% in return for money in their own pockets. They do not care at all for The People, The Country, etc. Very self serving. They have no business to be in the White House. They use religion to manipulate religious people into voting for them. Most of them are sociopaths.

As for guns, they should be licensed to responsible people only. Not for batshit nuts to collect them, dreaming of shooting "libruls" like that right wing guy in Norway did recently.

[Lost-in-FL]

14. 'Ilegals' getting welfare and free medical services.

Democrats not being patriotic.
People on welfare get free cellphones and get to buy cigarettes and booze.
People is poor because they do not work hard.
Bureaucracy is only found in government sector.
Privatization is good, private sector is better prepared than government run.
CEO's make better presidents.


So many!

[auntsue]

15. I got this in E-mail from my Aunty

we are old and slow these days but rest assured, we have at least one good fight left in us. We have loved this country, fought for it, and died for it, and now we are going to save it. It is our country and nobody is going to take it away from us. We took oaths to defend America against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and that is an oath we plan to keep. There are those who want to destroy this land we love but, like our founders, there is no way we are going to remain silent.

It was the young people of this nation who elected Obama and the Democratic Congress. You fell for the "Hope and Change" which in reality was nothing but "Hype and Lies." You have tasted socialism and seen evil face to face, and have found you don't like it after all. You make a lot of noise, but most are all too interested in their careers or "Climbing the Social Ladder" to be involved in such mundane things as patriotism and voting. Many of those who fell for the "Great Lie" in 2008 are now having buyer's remorse. With all the education we gave you, you didn't have sense enough to see through the lies and instead drank the 'Cool-Aid.' Now you're paying the price and complaining about it. No jobs, lost mortgages, higher taxes, and less freedom. This is what you voted for and this is what you got. We entrusted you with the Torch of Liberty and you traded it for a paycheck and a fancy house.

Well, don't worry youngsters, the Grey Haired Brigade is here, and in 2012 we are going to take back our nation. We may drive a little slower than you would like but we get where we're going, and in 2012 we're going to the polls by the millions. This land does not belong to the man in the White House nor to the likes of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. It belongs to "We the People" and "We the People" plan to reclaim our land and our freedom. We hope this time you will do a better job of preserving it and passing it along to our grandchildren. So the next time you have the chance to say the Pledge of Allegiance, Stand up, put your hand over your heart, honor our country, and thank God for the old geezers of the "Grey-Haired Brigade."
~Author, Anon. Grey-Haired Brigade Member

I am another Gray Haired Geezer signing on. Come on guys. Let's get this ciculating around.
=

I replied: I'm a bit of a geezer myself and after the oil man and his cronies bought and stole the election (Florida recount, where his brother is governer) he ignored warnings about Osama bin Laden and 9/11 happened, we went to war in Iraq based on lies, basically becauase there is oil there and Dick Cheney's group Halliburton got the contract. Our economy tanked under George Bush - and through out his term many of us wanted "our country" back. Many forget that the wall street crash began under Bush and thet Bush implimented TARP and cut taxes so that the very wealthiest pay the least they ever have. President Obama coould have brought real meaningful change to blue collar and middle class families if not blocked at every attempt by Rebublican members of Congress who are in the pockets of big busnisses. The Koch brothers created the Tea Party precisly to stop Obama's efforts to stabalize things. Many people don't see how the current Republicans ii office have sold their souls to corporate and Billionaire interests. Anyone who is not at least a millionaire should run as fast as they can from the Republican Party and its big business interests.
I love you Anita - I apologize for my rant.
I'll bet we can agree to disagree........

[pansypoo53219]

16. tax cuts for the rich creates jobs.

and it trickles down.

[Name removed]

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[RDANGELO]

18. An even more interesting book would be

about why they believe all the crap in the first place. The conservative propaganda machine uses tribalism. Once they are hooked on that, they believe all the nonsense.

[Bryn]

20. Here's the link to conservative vs. liberal beliefs

http://www.studentnewsdaily.com/conservative-vs-liberal-beliefs/

Not sure if I agree with all liberalism beliefs. Example: the government has the right to take a private property. Can someone explain this?

Though I support the right to abortions, to keep them legal and safe I have a hard time supporting late term abortion (partial birth abortion) unless it's necessary to save a woman's life. But I support a woman's right to choose.

We're not "baby killers". Just pro-choice. Illegal abortions are dangerous.

Republican Governor of Arkansas, Win Rockefeller, tried to do away with death penalty in AR. Being a democrat doesn't always mean they're liberals, likewise being a Republican doesn't always mean they're "conservative" though they're very rare today. Win Rockefeller helped to set up business for a gay artist due to his lovely pottery work.