There's one thing that's keeping OWS from exploding and overthrowing the powers that be

[steelmania75]

and that's people who are barely holding onto a job, and this job is supporting by pennies a family or yourself covering many things such as food, shelter, medical care, etc. If another economic collapse occurs in the near future, OWS will be riding that wave, and it will happen, nothing has changed since 2008 in our economic system.

[steelmania75]

1. 2012 will be a year to remember

[Electric Monk]

2. Most likely, yep. I hope not, but...

>> http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2375744

[pacalo]

3. Our forefathers gave us the provision in the Declaration of Independence to do that.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transcript.html

[defendandprotect]

4. True -- indeed. But even without blessings of Founders we have a natural right to do so ---

our own right to self-determination.

Granted, we have to work together with other citizens -- but it is a natural

right -- not something given to us.

Still, good to have that reminder from Founders/Constitution!


:)

[dkf]

8. The will of the people as expressed by voting not by a minority protesting.

More people vote than protest.

[eShirl]

13. that would be found in a later document

[FreakinDJ]

9. How many will blame immigrants, and welfare recipients

Actually - we are beginning to sound a bit like some of the rants over on FR when they discuss Obama's birth certificate.

[Kaleko]

5. The global financial system is in slow-motion free fall right now.

Its structure is hopelessly corrupted, so rotted from within, that the big banks are cannibalizing each other as there are no tools left to stop the accelerating pace of the collapse.

The OWS movement will be joined by newly unemployed traders on Wall Street and millions of retirees who've lost their pension funds soon enough.

[inna]

6. hey, economic insecurity for the majority is not accidental, it's thoroughly calculated

[dkf]

7. Also social security and Medicare. That invests people in the system.

[JoeyT]

10. Well it would

except pretty much everyone under 40 (Maybe higher than that) realize SS and Medicare aren't going to be around for us.

[eShirl]

14. but they keep saying there won't be any social security when young folks retire

[dkf]

16. No not young people, older people who need the system to stay as is.

If our government collapsed, there is no money for anyone who is supported by the government. Its the government beneficiaries who can't afford to let things fail.

I think it's silly to imagine a government can be taken over and things instantly become equally good. What happens is it's all equally bad.

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[Historic NY]

15. Actually even then a small amount of the population owned the wealth...

probably more so. Most transactions were based on credit, very little money circulated.

[aletier_v]

12. Government Spending Is Keeping OWS From Exploding

The Freepers have cause-and-effect reversed.

Government taxes increase because jobs disappear, not vice versa.

As capitalists improve efficiency, jobs disappear and governments increase taxes to redistribute income so that the overall economy maintains a balance of production/consumption.

[Marrah_G]

17. The only reason I am not in Boston is that I have to work most of the time

I work two jobs just to cover the bills.