I remembered this quote I learned in high school and looked it up today

[Omaha Steve]

http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quotes_about/nazi

Hermann Goering, quotes about Nazi:
Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.

[spanone]

1. k&r....

[RKP5637]

2. It's like an axiom of human psychology, isn't it, be very afraid and I will protect you. n/t

[elleng]

26. Yes, it is, and thats where they got it from, actually from Freud relative.

Edward L. Bernays, nicknamed the Father of Spin, was the creator of modern propaganda. Bernays was Sigmund Freud's nephew, and applied Freud's work to the art of mass persuasion by blending advertising techniques with an understanding of human psychology. Bernays worked for the Committee on Public Information, otherwise known as the CPI. This government agency was created by President Woodrow Wilson in 1917 for the purpose of mustering public support for World War One.

The original propaganda campaign had three rules:

Stress emotion over logic,
Demonize the enemy, and
Promise a war that will make the world safe for democracy.
>>>

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig2/liebermann1.html

[defendandprotect]

30. Patriarchy's use of FEAR and propaganda go back much further in history ...

You can certianly look to the Vatican's propaganda against the Jews for

a thousand years or more while holding them in ghettos - forcing them to

wear Yellow Stars - and isolating them from society in the Papal States.

After first the French and then the Italians released the Jews and moved

the Vatican back to its one mile nation, the Vatican conducated another

100 years of vile propaganda against the Jews.

Similarly we have the Vatican's "The Hammer of Witches" which is their vile

propaganda against women which was the basis for the Witch Burnings and

turning women into property.

We've had a thousand years and more of Vatican propaganda preaching hatred

and intolerance for homosexuals --

On and on --

Consider the propaganda re the Native American and the African enslaved here

who were subjects of Papal Bulls calling for their enslavement or murder.

This is all propaganda -- all based on fear of the other --

When you read the Bible, you of course see the same thing -- demonization of others.

US Imperialism is based on those sames techniques -- even today!





Patriarchy -- and its underpinning =

Organized Patriarchal Religion -- and its economic system =

Capitalism =

The Unholy Trinity

[elleng]

31. Yes, thanks, defend.

We must be 'reminded' this is whats going on TODAY, not good enough to state it as a history lesson.

[RKP5637]

35. Well said!!! n/t

[RKP5637]

39. Thanks for info! n/t

[virgogal]

3. My God,that's Glenn-Beck-Speak. I watch his raving about once

a week and that quote is pretty much what he said tonight.

[Octafish]

4. Works the same in every era.

The NAZIfication of America - Step 4

[Paka]

45. Cool video image...

Don't know how you do that.

[frogmarch]

5. K&R nt

[DeSwiss]

6. Yep, that's it EXACTLY. K&R - n/t

[Major Hogwash]

7. Good find.

When I was taking an English class in my junior year at high school, the teacher starting showing films of WWII.
He said that he wanted to preview the films for a history class he was going to show in a class the next year.
Most of the films were speeches of what Hitler and the Nazi party said before and during WWII.
We watched films for almost 6 weeks at the tail of the school year in his class.
It was great.

On Friday we'd talk about what we had watched during the week.
And then he'd give us an assignment to write a one page synopsis of what we thought about it.
The John Birch Society was still pretty active here in the early 70s at that time, and they were trying to recruit from the kids going to my high school.

One of the kids complained that we weren't learning anything in that class, and the rest of us just stared at him.
We had never been allowed to view those kinds of movies before . . ever!!
We watched a whole bunch of films from the "Why We Fight" series.

At the end of the year I told my teacher that he was a great teacher and that his class was my favorite class.
He said, "yeah, sure, all we did was watch some movies, we didn't learn anything."
That was the remark that one kid had made to him.
And then he smiled.

The next year when I was a senior I was required to take an Anerican Government class, and he was my teacher.
He asked me if I had picked that class just because he was the teacher of that specific class.
And I said no, students didn't get to pick what teachers they wanted.
I said, it would be cool if we could though because I probably would have picked you because I knew it would be an interesting class.

[RKP5637]

36. This is great to hear!!! n/t

[CaliforniaPeggy]

8. Goering knew exactly what he was talking about...

Luckily for us he wrote it down, thus enabling us to realize just what was being done to us.

Not that that's done us any good, of course.

Not enough people know.

Recommended.

[Brother Buzz]

10. He didn't write it down. It was part of a recorded interview with a US Army captain

The quote was part of a interview Gustave Gilbert, a German-speaking US Army intelligence officer and psychologist, held with a dejected Hermann Goering in his Nuremberg cell on the evening of 18 April 1946.

Here's the entire quote with Gilbert's comment in the middle; an eye opener for Gilbert:

Goering: Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some
poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that
he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece.

Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in
England, nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is
understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who
determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the
people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or
a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.

Gilbert: There is one difference. In a democracy the people have some
say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the
United States only Congress can declare wars.

Goering: Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the
bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them
they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in
any country.

[gateley]

11. You could substitute "Rumsfeld" or "Cheney" for Goering. nt

[Brother Buzz]

12. Rumsfeld, Cheney, et al. were schooled in the concept by Leo Strauss

Strauss lifted it from the Nazis, put lipstick on it, and called it "The Noble Lie".

[gateley]

13. I don't know who that is -- but I'll go Google. Thanks! Or, maybe it'll just upset me. nt

[Sonoman]

33. You need to know about Leo Strauss

You will never listen to political rhetoric thru the same ears.

Never.

Sonoman

[riverbendviewgal]

41. when you said Leo Strauss

you reminded me of the BBC documentary THE POWER OF NIGHTMARES. you can view it on Google's videos...Very powerful...

Extremism is so dangerous and it is happening right now in our time.

[RKP5637]

I was just reading this, lots of detail on Leo Strauss ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Strauss

[Arctic Dave]

15. Leo Strauss. I almost forgot about that piece of rat dung.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

14. I appreciate your clarification.

I had not been aware of this...

Thank you...

[DRex]

9. K&R Clear and insightful. Excellent quote. Thanks. eom

[leftstreet]

16. K&R

[Omaha Steve]

17. I thought there would be more comments on this

It seems to point a finger at the R party.

[hootinholler]

22. But to comment on the OP

Is overstating the obvious. Something we seem not to do unless there is some fantastic social context for it, most recently is the Az thing.

-Hoot

[elleng]

27. Dear Hoot, we MUST 'overstate the obvious,'

'cause its not as obvious to many as it is to some of us.

PROPAGANDA, used forever, polished by Nazis, used in U.S., honed by repubs, and contributing to our dysfunctional system today more than ever.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig2/liebermann1.html

[lame54]

18. Here it is para-phrased in this great song...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbQScYx5quc

[BrklynLiberal]

19. George Orwell told us all about that in his books....

It is a very, very sad commentary on human nature that the kind of people who DO believe this, and take advantage of it, are so often the ones in power.

"I cannot accept your canon that we are to judge Pope and King unlike other men with a favourable presumption that they did no wrong. If there is any presumption, it is the other way, against the holders of power, increasing as the power increases. Historic responsibility has to make up for the want of legal responsibility. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority: still more when you superadd the tendency or certainty of corruption by full authority. There is no worse heresy than the fact that the office sanctifies the holder of it. "<3>

Lord Acton
...........................................................................
Of course there are those who were corrupted before they even get power...

[elleng]

29. ...

:thumbsup:

[patrice]

20. And this works on the macro-scale BECAUSE it works on the micro-scale, e.g. Jared Loughner. nt

[barbtries]

21. he got it from the bushies

not necessarily the other way around.

[Chorophyll]

23. Yep. That'll do it. :(

[KansDem]

24. This quote caught my eye...

James A. C. Brown, quotes about Nazi:

Communism and fascism or nazism, although poles apart in their intellectual content, are similar in this, that both have emotional appeal to the type of personality that takes pleasure in being submerged in a mass movement and submitting to superior authority.

Add "Tea Bagger" to that list...

[elleng]

25. MANY THANKS, OS, for helping inform about propaganda techniques

used then AND CONTINUALLY USED NOW BY REPUGS.
I've noted similar, at DU many times, and am glad to see getting some coverage. Dems have been much too submissive, and now reluctant to 'call a spade a spade.'
The truth will 'set us free,' but only if we USE IT!
Thanks, again.
E

[defendandprotect]

28. Exactly -- we have the rise of the Fourth Reich in America ...

and too little awareness of that --

Americans were taught to belive/trust in capitalism -- a suicidal economic system which

makes its profits based on exploitation of nature, animal-life -- and human beings.

It's hard to shake -- kind of like shaking "organized patriarchal religion" in fact --

but time for Americans to begin to wake up!

[AlbertCat]

34. makes its profits based on exploitation of nature, animal-life -- and human beings.

Uh.... so does agriculture.

Capitalism can work OK, but it must be regulated or greed will take over.

[Sherman A1]

32. Thanks for posting

this is one to bookmark

[Old Codger]

37. Leaders

Need to lead somehow, if they are incapable of leading to something good they can always make up a bogie man to lead you away from... Looks like that is pretty much about where we are

[muffin1]

38. I used to have that quote up on my bulletin board

when I worked for a freeper during the bush years. Naturally, my boss thought I was an unpatriotic idiot. On the first anniversary of 9/11, the freeper actually said that people 'like me' probably didn't even care about the date. :evilfrown:

K&R

[maryf]

40. k&r,nt

[DrLax]

42. Ug, Not High School

Repressing bad HS memories.
I think some people do want war if there is a clear enemy. Especially young people. With all the glorification, some most see it like sports but with higher stakes.

[Duppers]

43. It's making the rounds on FB today too...

[TomClash]

44. I have a hunch Goering was reincarnated

. . . as Dick Cheney.

[Kablooie]

46. Nothing ever really changes, does it?

[Curmudgeoness]

47. I never have understood the sheeple response to this sort of thing.

I have always been one of those unpatriotic peace supporters who thought that I was being more patriotic. There is so much truth in that quote, and I am bewildered.