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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-26-11 10:32 PM Original message |
We Have to go Socialist |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-26-11 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
1. Recommended. nt |
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nineteen50 (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 03:58 PM Response to Reply #1 |
61. We are already a socialist state . It came in through the back-door when |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 08:32 PM Response to Reply #61 |
107. That's not a planned socialist economy. That's capitalism at its worst. |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 08:59 PM Response to Reply #61 |
178. It's Socialism for the rich -- cold hearted Capitalism for the rest of us. |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-26-11 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
2. Nice fantasy, but it's never going to happen in the U.S. Never. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-26-11 11:22 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. The bigger fantasy, really, is that capitalism can remain viable |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 08:11 AM Response to Reply #11 |
32. Capitalism, as understood here in the United States, demands constant growth. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 11:34 AM Response to Reply #32 |
44. Exactly -- like a cancer cell |
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nineteen50 (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 04:01 PM Response to Reply #32 |
62. Capitalism is a workable system. You just have to regulate it so |
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Denver Progressive (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 09:29 PM Response to Reply #62 |
123. IMHO It just seems like every time we have tried to regulate capitalism |
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dothemath (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 05:49 PM Response to Reply #32 |
82. and time is running out |
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AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 10:42 PM Response to Reply #82 |
136. Nature requires balance for the continuation of life in all forms. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 07:08 PM Response to Reply #11 |
97. Yep. Exactly. eom |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 02:36 PM Response to Reply #2 |
57. There might be a civil war with Texas leaving the union, |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 06:28 PM Response to Reply #57 |
93. Yes, because if we move to the right much further than the candidates |
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Berlin Expat (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 01:47 PM Response to Reply #57 |
160. If Texas wants to leave |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 07:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
99. Deleted message |
AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 08:59 PM Response to Reply #2 |
115. but it's never going to happen in the U.S. Never. |
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Mosaic (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 10:23 PM Response to Reply #2 |
131. That sounds like a threat |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 03:31 PM Response to Reply #2 |
174. Times change. There was recently a time when citizens took up arms to protect workers' rights. |
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banned from Kos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-26-11 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
3. Single payer health care will be here circa 2130 |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-26-11 11:15 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. Single payer will be here in 10-15 years, tops. Our health care system is collapsing. |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 04:33 PM Response to Reply #10 |
166. The costs are high, but I doubt it dwarfs our military budget. |
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Bigmack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-26-11 10:55 PM Response to Original message |
4. I'm just hoping we don't have to go Tribal!.... |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-26-11 11:00 PM Response to Original message |
5. You go right ahead. I'd rather not. |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-26-11 11:07 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. "Socialism" is a mighty big tent. |
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freshwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 06:20 PM Response to Reply #7 |
91. K & R that |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 09:25 PM Response to Reply #7 |
120. +1 |
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PDJane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-26-11 11:08 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Social democracies are neither unproven nor utopian. |
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banned from Kos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-26-11 11:13 PM Original message |
The topic was socialism and not Euro social democracy |
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PDJane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-26-11 11:32 PM Response to Original message |
13. actually, that's state socialism: |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
124. The super-ordinate trait would something TTE "People before profits" of which state-ownership isonly |
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Mosaic (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
134. "public ownership of the means of production." |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 04:35 PM Response to Original message |
167. It can't be much more wretched than your beloved capitalism. |
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nineteen50 (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 04:06 PM Response to Reply #8 |
63. I would agree, after financial capitalism the last phase of capitalism is fascism. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 12:06 PM Response to Reply #8 |
154. Those social democracies all have capitalism as the bedrock of their economies. nt |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-26-11 11:38 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. I hate to say, but employee-owned businesses are forms of socialism, too. |
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MichaelMcGuire (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 06:37 AM Response to Reply #15 |
24. +1 |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 08:13 AM Response to Reply #15 |
33. They are not. |
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nineteen50 (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 04:09 PM Response to Reply #15 |
64. What would that make insurance? socialist or communist |
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Fantastic Anarchist (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 05:37 PM Response to Reply #15 |
75. You stole my thunder ... |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 11:22 PM Response to Reply #75 |
141. No irony, really. When Lenin wanted to overthrow the state, he saw that the soviets |
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Fantastic Anarchist (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 03:57 PM Response to Reply #141 |
164. Exactly. nt |
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Fantastic Anarchist (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 05:28 PM Response to Reply #5 |
74. Both Proudhon and Bakunin advocated what you call for ... |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 09:51 PM Response to Reply #74 |
126. That's what I think. It seems to me that many more or less different kinds of solutions would be |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 06:12 PM Response to Reply #5 |
88. I'll take Senator Sanders idea of government any day over what |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 03:04 PM Response to Reply #5 |
163. The problem with employee owned business..... |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-26-11 11:03 PM Response to Original message |
6. It's certainly worth looking at. nt |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-26-11 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
9. Toss the state and I'm with you on that. |
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jtuck004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-26-11 11:28 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Actually, we are HAD by cronyism of either flavor. |
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nineteen50 (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 04:13 PM Response to Reply #12 |
65. I think you are right. When Russia failed everyone said it was do to |
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Fantastic Anarchist (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 05:39 PM Response to Reply #9 |
76. I'd rather not have either ... |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-26-11 11:33 PM Response to Original message |
14. Funny how so many people jump to defend Capitalism |
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AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 10:51 PM Response to Reply #14 |
139. We are all the same to the top 1%: |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 07:53 AM Response to Reply #139 |
148. We are all the same to the top 1%, truth |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 03:36 PM Response to Reply #148 |
175. A rigid, unyielding dogma has got to be a pain in the ass... |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 03:24 PM Response to Reply #14 |
173. We see places where it works fine - we want to be like them |
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nobodyspecial (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-26-11 11:39 PM Response to Original message |
16. What does your version look like? |
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Norrin Radd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-26-11 11:49 PM Response to Original message |
17. kr |
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mick063 (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-26-11 11:52 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. We need a heavy dose of FDR. |
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Norrin Radd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 04:07 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Welcome to DU. |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 07:51 AM Response to Reply #18 |
27. In FDR's day, 30% of Americans belonged to the Socialist or Communist Parties, that's the difference |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 03:52 PM Response to Reply #27 |
176. My sources have that figure well below 30%. |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 02:35 AM Response to Original message |
19. What you don't seem to realize... |
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MichaelMcGuire (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 06:36 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. socializing the risk? |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 03:54 PM Response to Reply #23 |
59. Both the risks and the losses when they lose... |
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Ter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 02:40 AM Response to Original message |
20. We can't even nominate a very liberal Democrat without losing 49 states |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 06:04 AM Response to Original message |
22. Socialism would work no better with the governance we currently have... |
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socialindependocrat (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 07:55 AM Response to Reply #22 |
28. It's the GREED that screws up any system |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 06:45 AM Response to Original message |
25. You do understand that not all socialism is left wing don't you? |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 07:24 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. The Khmer Rouge were radically left wing. |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 08:03 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. They were communists. . . |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 08:20 AM Response to Reply #26 |
34. Really, did they have socialized medicine and did they run a national transportation system? |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 09:13 AM Response to Reply #34 |
41. Yes, I actually agree with you more then me on this; let me explain better. |
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Fantastic Anarchist (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 05:45 PM Response to Reply #41 |
79. But it wasn't "collective ownership of the means of production." |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 05:24 AM Response to Reply #79 |
147. True, in reality ownership was by a small group that was in control. |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 10:04 PM Response to Reply #41 |
129. That's a very useful distinction. :-) |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 08:26 AM Response to Reply #26 |
37. False. The Khmer Rouge folded when their leader died -- that's Fascism |
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former9thward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 11:58 AM Response to Reply #37 |
45. That is false. |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 01:42 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. They did nothing of note after Pol Pot was dead |
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former9thward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 04:16 PM Response to Reply #47 |
68. They did very little from 1979 until Pot died in 1998. |
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Fantastic Anarchist (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 05:51 PM Response to Reply #68 |
83. The case can be made that the state socialism/state capitalism .. |
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Fantastic Anarchist (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 05:48 PM Response to Reply #47 |
81. Pol Pot even admited that he wasn't a communist. |
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Mosaic (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 10:49 PM Response to Reply #81 |
138. True communism would require the opposite of dictatorship |
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Fantastic Anarchist (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 09:59 AM Response to Reply #138 |
151. "It's time for a paradigm change." |
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MFrohike (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 04:23 PM Response to Reply #37 |
70. Hahaha |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 08:39 PM Response to Reply #70 |
109. You can't be serious |
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MFrohike (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 03:37 AM Response to Reply #109 |
145. I call Leninist Communism |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 07:56 AM Response to Reply #145 |
149. Who are you arguing against? Pol Pot? Lenin? Mao? Do you even know??? |
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MFrohike (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 01:14 PM Response to Reply #149 |
158. I do know |
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Fantastic Anarchist (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 05:43 PM Response to Reply #26 |
78. No, they weren't. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 08:46 PM Response to Reply #26 |
112. The term is "Regressive" - they were trying to return to Angkor... |
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Imajika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 02:33 PM Response to Reply #25 |
55. That is the single stupidest thing I've read on DU in ages... |
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Fantastic Anarchist (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 05:43 PM Response to Reply #25 |
77. Khmer Rouge was a totalitarian political government. |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 07:58 PM Response to Reply #25 |
101. massive fail. nt |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 07:58 AM Response to Original message |
29. I could agree if only you had said DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 07:58 AM Response to Original message |
30. At what level and who do you consider to the "we"? |
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Courtesy Flush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 08:21 AM Response to Original message |
35. This kind of talk is like candy to the GOP |
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Fantastic Anarchist (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 05:55 PM Response to Reply #35 |
85. There is a term ... |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 08:21 AM Response to Original message |
36. It will come to some of the regions after the breakup of the "United" States. |
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DonCoquixote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 09:29 AM Response to Reply #36 |
42. Cascadia? Socialist? |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 09:30 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Over the hills. But not so much in the region near the ocean. |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 01:54 PM Response to Reply #43 |
51. So the Puget Sound isn't the "ocean" then? What mountains do you have to traverse to get from |
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Muskypundit (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 06:18 PM Response to Reply #42 |
90. Boeing and microsoft are predominately in king county |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 08:58 PM Response to Reply #36 |
114. ... |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 09:58 PM Response to Reply #36 |
128. Yes. We won't live to see it, but yes. |
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Harmony Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 08:38 AM Response to Original message |
38. People are starting to wake up |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 08:42 AM Response to Original message |
39. K & R !!! |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 08:49 AM Response to Original message |
40. Pipe dream. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 01:47 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. Well, that's your *HOPE*, anyway. Whether it's true is yet to be seen. (NT) |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 06:22 PM Response to Reply #48 |
92. My hope is something good comes out of all of this and it doesnt just fade away like a pipe dream. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 08:19 PM Response to Reply #92 |
106. The focus should be on both. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 01:53 PM Response to Reply #40 |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #40 |
52. Some change has to come about OUTSIDE the corrupt established political system |
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OnionPatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
46. But what sort of socialism? I think a huge problem |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 02:07 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. THIS is the most meaningful post in the thread. I'm admittedly not well-versed in the tenets |
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OneGrassRoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 02:10 PM Response to Reply #46 |
54. +1. I, for one, am tired of all talk of "isms" |
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nineteen50 (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 04:20 PM Response to Reply #54 |
69. I agree get out of the box. And when your stomach is empty "isms" will not |
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OneGrassRoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 04:40 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. Yes! Of late I find myself suggesting we get rid of the darn box altogether. n/t |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 09:07 PM Response to Reply #46 |
116. my personal definition, of what i'd like to see; nationalized health care, energy, and banking. |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 10:25 PM Response to Reply #46 |
133. I have seen responses elsewhere to the kinds of issues you raise that suggest |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
50. Glad this didn't get locked |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
56. I'm with you on that. nt |
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Martin Eden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
58. PLEASE DEFINE SOCIALISM |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 07:04 PM Response to Reply #58 |
96. Worker control of the means of production |
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secondwind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
60. I'm in.... the Danes are the happiest people in the world. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 11:19 AM Response to Reply #60 |
152. They also have a market economy that embraces capitalism |
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sulphurdunn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
66. We need the same kind of socialism |
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earcandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
67. yeah. we need to let go of our minor differences of opinion and get together for the big stuff. |
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MFrohike (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
71. Pointless |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 06:13 PM Response to Reply #71 |
89. Absolutely backwards - it is the system that rewards behavior so the system |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 09:09 PM Response to Reply #89 |
118. +1000 agreed |
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MFrohike (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 03:38 AM Response to Reply #89 |
146. Which is done how? |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 08:10 AM Response to Reply #146 |
150. Your "constant vigilanace of capital" has resulted in the top 1% of the country |
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MFrohike (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 12:57 PM Response to Reply #150 |
155. Not so much, no |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 01:12 PM Response to Reply #155 |
156. You might call it a failure when a dictatorship of the proletariat takes over - |
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MFrohike (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 01:33 PM Response to Reply #156 |
159. Seriously? |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 04:25 PM Response to Reply #159 |
165. You've been quite explicit but you're wrong - |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 04:51 PM Response to Reply #165 |
168. I think a Paris Commune type system is the best. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 05:07 PM Response to Reply #168 |
169. Marx recognized the PC as the first example of the dicatorship of the proletarian |
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MFrohike (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 05:11 PM Response to Reply #165 |
170. Oh, you're adorable |
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Fantastic Anarchist (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
73. Solidarity Kick and Recommend! |
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Lunabelle (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 05:48 PM Response to Original message |
80. K&R |
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jeffrey_X (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
84. No. You need a hybrid |
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Mosaic (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 11:16 PM Response to Reply #84 |
140. Then we need affirmative action for entreprenuers and small business |
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ChadwickHenryWard (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
86. Capitalism will someday finally collapse under its own rapacious greed. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 01:14 PM Response to Reply #86 |
157. I think that day may be coming sooner than some would like to admit - |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
87. Yep. Bilderbergers don't do it alone. nt |
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Uben (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 06:35 PM Response to Original message |
94. Humans vs, machines...where did I hear that? |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 07:04 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. Perhaps it is time for a Butlerian Jihad, no? |
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Cid_B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 07:46 PM Response to Reply #95 |
100. Rise up against our robot masters because they slaughtered our bastard child? |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 08:11 PM Response to Reply #100 |
104. Revolutions were started for less... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
98. Deleted message |
cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 08:07 PM Response to Reply #98 |
103. I don't think you'll get an answer to that. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 08:13 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. Socialism is: Wresting the means of production from the capitalists to the workers |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 11:53 PM Response to Reply #98 |
144. Social Democracy, akin to what they have in Europe |
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deutsey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 08:05 PM Response to Original message |
102. I keep waiting for the clarion call from a Democratic president that will turn Reagan's |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 08:34 PM Response to Reply #102 |
108. AMEN! |
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lib2DaBone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 08:39 PM Response to Original message |
110. Privatize Profits... Socialize Debt ..... |
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lib2DaBone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 08:41 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. Forgot to mention.. the "Golden Rule"... |
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usregimechange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 08:51 PM Response to Original message |
113. Disagree, appropriately regulated capitalism is the way to go |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 09:07 PM Response to Original message |
117. Pure capitalism is a bad system because.. |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 10:35 PM Response to Reply #117 |
135. 1++ |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 09:13 PM Response to Original message |
119. For those who choose to CO - operate, there're as many custom-made solutions, as there are problems |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 09:26 PM Response to Original message |
121. I prefer Sweden's brand of capitalism. nt |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
122. We need to brand it with a different name. |
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a2liberal (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
125. K&R (n/t) |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
127. Indeed. That means no more divide and conquer. Immigrants, women, gays, Muslims all under the tent. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 10:07 PM Response to Reply #127 |
130. YES! |
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Mosaic (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 11:35 PM Response to Reply #127 |
142. White men, women must be all under the Same Tent |
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CatholicEdHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 10:25 PM Response to Original message |
132. Good luck, the pushbacks would be tougher than 1917 and 1950's combined |
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Mosaic (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 11:38 PM Response to Reply #132 |
143. I think that is an outdated meme |
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Bozita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-11 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
137. John Maynard Keynes - "Capitalism is the extraordinary belief that the nastiest of men for the nasti |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
153. We have to mix more socialism in with our capitalism, you mean. |
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dembotoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
161. at least in part.... |
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chaska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
162. Whenever presented with only two choices.... |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 12:10 AM Response to Original message |
171. Well, the current money system isn't working for 99% of the world |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 08:55 PM Response to Reply #172 |
177. Is that a statue of Adam Smith??? That would make the caption make sense. |
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