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RainDog
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Tue Nov-29-11 07:56 PM Original message |
Legalizing Marijuana Reduces Traffic Fatalities |
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NightWatcher
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Tue Nov-29-11 07:59 PM Response to Original message |
1. But if you do smoke and drive, you're only going 5mph. Tada no fatalities |
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RainDog
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Tue Nov-29-11 08:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. increased usage by adults. no increase found among teens |
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dionysus
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Tue Nov-29-11 08:07 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. pretty much. while if a stoned guy might not have the snap reflexes to avoid, say, someone swerving |
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RainDog
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Tue Nov-29-11 08:14 PM Response to Original message |
4. Sen. Barbara Boxer (2010) Legalization would lead to increase in crime, traffic accidents |
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Exultant Democracy
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Tue Nov-29-11 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
5. If the politics around this weren't so toxic this would have some interesting policy implications |
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RainDog
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Tue Nov-29-11 08:24 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. how so? |
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Exultant Democracy
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Wed Nov-30-11 12:01 AM Response to Reply #7 |
53. First that 9 percent drop in traffic fatalities if it was nation wide that would bigger then 9/11 |
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RainDog
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Wed Nov-30-11 01:02 PM Response to Reply #53 |
61. Thanks for the reply! |
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RainDog
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Wed Nov-30-11 01:25 PM Response to Reply #53 |
62. to add - one of the best ways to avoid driving under the influence |
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usregimechange
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Tue Nov-29-11 08:23 PM Response to Original message |
6. The study does not support that conclusion |
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RainDog
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Tue Nov-29-11 08:25 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. it said cannabis resulted in a decrease in alcohol use |
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usregimechange
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Tue Nov-29-11 08:50 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Better compared to horrible (alcohol) might not be an accurate frame of reference |
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RainDog
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Tue Nov-29-11 08:57 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Traffic fatalities fall by 9% (9%!!!) with MMJ laws |
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usregimechange
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Tue Nov-29-11 09:06 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. The study did not indicate that cannabis by itself resulted in less alcohol use or fatalities |
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RainDog
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Tue Nov-29-11 09:12 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Then what did the study indicate? |
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usregimechange
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Tue Nov-29-11 09:16 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. "we find that traffic fatalities fall by nearly 9 percent after the legalization of medical mar..." |
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RainDog
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Tue Nov-29-11 09:23 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. lol. no one claimed the study said marijuana makes driving safe |
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usregimechange
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Tue Nov-29-11 09:29 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Given that that has been my point if no one is saying it I am not sure why you are objecting |
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EOTE
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Wed Nov-30-11 02:03 PM Response to Reply #30 |
64. You said that the study doesn't support what is mentioned in the OP. |
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RainDog
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Wed Nov-30-11 03:16 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. there's also a comment here |
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usregimechange
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Tue Nov-29-11 09:07 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Medical marijuana laws did that all by themselves? And you have evidence of this right? |
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RainDog
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Tue Nov-29-11 09:13 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Read the study n/t |
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usregimechange
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Tue Nov-29-11 09:19 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. I think you could and all of it including this quote that makes my point for me: |
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usregimechange
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Tue Nov-29-11 09:24 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. "does not necessarily imply that driving under the influence of marijuana is safer than driving" |
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RainDog
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Tue Nov-29-11 09:27 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. butbut they didn't find that driving under the influence of marijuana is as dangerous |
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usregimechange
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Tue Nov-29-11 09:29 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Agreed. |
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Tsiyu
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Tue Nov-29-11 10:35 PM Response to Reply #25 |
38. I would say that fewer alcohol-fueled drivers IS safer |
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usregimechange
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Tue Nov-29-11 11:09 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. I think they would be more safe but only because cannabis use reduces alcohol use |
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Tsiyu
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Tue Nov-29-11 11:21 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. So the OP title is correct |
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RainDog
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Tue Nov-29-11 11:25 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. LOL. |
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Tsiyu
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Tue Nov-29-11 11:33 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. The same one we've been having for decades, huh? |
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RainDog
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Tue Nov-29-11 11:37 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. cognitive dissonance |
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Tsiyu
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Wed Nov-30-11 12:17 AM Response to Reply #48 |
54. Thank YOU for staying on top of this issue |
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RainDog
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Wed Nov-30-11 12:42 AM Response to Reply #54 |
57. good to hear for your friend |
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Tsiyu
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Wed Nov-30-11 08:19 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. I'm wondering if it's part of a study |
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RainDog
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Wed Nov-30-11 09:44 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. so two different people... |
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Tsiyu
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Wed Nov-30-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Whenever my friend stops using cannabis |
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RainDog
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Tue Nov-29-11 08:59 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. in other words, you have no argument here? |
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usregimechange
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Tue Nov-29-11 09:08 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. I love how during a debate people start describing my beliefs for me |
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RainDog
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Tue Nov-29-11 09:13 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. well, you deleted your response about claiming that better is not good |
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usregimechange
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Tue Nov-29-11 09:22 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. What it does indicate is that you are making a lot of assumptions here |
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RainDog
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Tue Nov-29-11 09:32 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. your point has no point |
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usregimechange
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Tue Nov-29-11 09:48 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. If you would stop distorting what I haven't said and arguing with that it may make more sense |
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RainDog
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Tue Nov-29-11 10:11 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. "My point is that the conclusion that cannabis is safe because it is safer than alcohol is ridiculo" |
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usregimechange
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Tue Nov-29-11 11:08 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. More safe does not equal safe, it is more safe to be assaulted than murdered for example |
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RainDog
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Tue Nov-29-11 11:22 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. The leading pharmacologist in the UK, Roger Pertwee, said marijuana is safe |
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EOTE
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Wed Nov-30-11 02:07 PM Response to Reply #26 |
66. And where did you read this conclusion, oh wise one? |
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RainDog
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Wed Nov-30-11 03:23 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. I would still like to hear evidence that marijuana is unsafe |
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EOTE
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Wed Nov-30-11 03:38 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. I don't believe that marijuana is unsafe, but that's not the focus of the article anyway. |
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RainDog
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Wed Nov-30-11 04:36 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. true. 70 years of govt propaganda are not easily gotten rid of |
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RainDog
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Tue Nov-29-11 08:36 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. The Beer Institute found that sales decline with MMJ laws |
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duhneece
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Tue Nov-29-11 08:33 PM Response to Original message |
9. I would love to see more peer-reviewed, good research |
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RainDog
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Tue Nov-29-11 08:46 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. me too |
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sarcasmo
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Tue Nov-29-11 08:41 PM Response to Original message |
11. #1 cash crop in America, legalize it and tax it,. |
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Taverner
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Tue Nov-29-11 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
14. The absolute LAST thing a stoner wants to do when high is drive |
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RainDog
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Tue Nov-29-11 09:05 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. the study also indicated that experience creates better drivers |
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Taverner
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Tue Nov-29-11 09:42 PM Response to Reply #17 |
33. That happens with drunken drivers too... |
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RainDog
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Tue Nov-29-11 10:12 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. me too |
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Taverner
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Tue Nov-29-11 10:12 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Porn makes everyone happy :) |
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RainDog
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Tue Nov-29-11 10:38 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. ummmm. don't wanna get into that argument... |
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Taverner
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Wed Nov-30-11 12:01 AM Response to Reply #39 |
52. Can we call it pr0N? |
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RainDog
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Wed Nov-30-11 12:44 AM Response to Reply #52 |
58. I usually avoid talking about much at it. call it what you like |
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cherokeeprogressive
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Tue Nov-29-11 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
42. That very headline is IMPOSSIBLE to prove. |
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RainDog
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Tue Nov-29-11 11:28 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Medical Marijuana is Legal in 16 states and D.C. by state law |
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cherokeeprogressive
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Tue Nov-29-11 11:39 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. "LEGALIZING Marijuana REDUCES traffic fatalities." |
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RainDog
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Tue Nov-29-11 11:46 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. this is a study looking at marijuana usage, alcohol usage and traffic fatalities |
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RainDog
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Tue Nov-29-11 11:54 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. here ya go |
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cherokeeprogressive
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Wed Nov-30-11 12:17 AM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Studies have shown that leaving a bar before last call lowers insurance claims. |
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RainDog
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Wed Nov-30-11 12:29 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. that's not what the study tried to do |
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Uncle Joe
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Wed Nov-30-11 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
65. Kicked and recommended. |
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Dreamer Tatum
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Wed Nov-30-11 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
68. Counterfactuals need to be proven, not merely stated. nt |
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RainDog
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Wed Nov-30-11 03:26 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. fact: cannabis is legal in 16 states and DC |
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Wilms
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Wed Nov-30-11 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
73. Not particularly counter-intuitive. Now is it? n/t |
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Wed Nov-30-11 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
74. Deleted message |
RainDog
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Wed Nov-30-11 08:29 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. thanks for the kick anyway, eh. n/t |
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