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RandySF
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Tue Nov-29-11 09:17 PM Original message |
Happy Meal Ban: McDonald's Outsmarts San Francisco |
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MADem
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Tue Nov-29-11 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
1. You catch more flies with honey..... |
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RandySF
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Tue Nov-29-11 09:39 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Eric Mar is not the sharpest tool in the shed. |
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MADem
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Tue Nov-29-11 10:13 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. He should take advice from that Jamie Oliver guy! nt |
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KittyWampus
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Tue Nov-29-11 11:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. Protecting children from corporate mindfucking isn't "nannying". It's human. |
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Luminous Animal
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Tue Nov-29-11 11:41 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. Advertising to children is child abuse. |
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MADem
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Wed Nov-30-11 06:05 AM Response to Reply #18 |
31. Don't leave your little darling unsupervised in front of the telly all day, then. |
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JackRiddler
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Wed Nov-30-11 10:31 AM Response to Reply #31 |
38. This is an outrageous misrepresentation of what Luminous said. |
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MADem
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Wed Nov-30-11 11:52 AM Response to Reply #38 |
45. No it isn't--"Advertising to children is child abuse" is what was said. |
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JackRiddler
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Wed Nov-30-11 01:41 PM Response to Reply #45 |
53. I'm sorry, your rant is unrelated to the subject of advertising to children. |
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MADem
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Wed Nov-30-11 02:27 PM Response to Reply #53 |
61. I'm sorry but you're entirely wrong. |
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JackRiddler
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Wed Nov-30-11 04:55 PM Response to Reply #61 |
80. You're right about one thing... |
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MADem
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Wed Nov-30-11 09:18 PM Response to Reply #80 |
103. Well, that's just absurdly wishful thinking on your part. You can solve the problem, though... |
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Luminous Animal
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Wed Nov-30-11 10:22 PM Response to Reply #103 |
108. Why do you advance the silly argument that TV is the sole conduit for advertising? |
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MADem
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Wed Nov-30-11 10:38 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. Why do you advance the silly argument that parents cannot say NO? |
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JackRiddler
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Thu Dec-01-11 12:01 AM Response to Reply #109 |
112. Why do you think parents saying no excuses the behavior of commercial marketers to children? |
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MADem
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Thu Dec-01-11 12:20 AM Response to Reply #112 |
113. Their behavior does not need to be "excused." They are not breaking any laws. |
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Luminous Animal
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Thu Dec-01-11 01:46 AM Response to Reply #113 |
128. As if laws are written to advance the interests of the corporations and not the people. |
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Thu Dec-01-11 01:53 AM Response to Reply #128 |
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JackRiddler
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Thu Dec-01-11 09:40 AM Response to Reply #113 |
147. Not everything that is wrong is illegal. |
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MADem
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Thu Dec-01-11 11:47 AM Response to Reply #147 |
153. Not everything that is illegal is wrong. |
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Luminous Animal
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Thu Dec-01-11 12:42 AM Response to Reply #109 |
117. Indeed. Because all a child sees is one 30 second ad on TV their whole entire lives. |
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MADem
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Thu Dec-01-11 01:13 AM Response to Reply #117 |
121. Who cares if they see the ad a thousand times, if a parent has shown them how to watch it. |
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Luminous Animal
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Thu Dec-01-11 01:39 AM Response to Reply #121 |
125. You don't happen to work in advertising, do you? |
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Thu Dec-01-11 01:49 AM Response to Reply #125 |
129. Deleted message |
JackRiddler
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Thu Dec-01-11 12:00 AM Response to Reply #103 |
111. Very presumptuous of you. I did turn off the TV. |
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MADem
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Thu Dec-01-11 12:35 AM Response to Reply #111 |
115. Are your kids dull of comprehension? Mentally deficient in some way? Unable to comprehend basic |
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JackRiddler
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Thu Dec-01-11 08:00 AM Response to Reply #115 |
139. This is completely pedantic and off-topic. Once again, you tell us the obvious about parents... |
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MADem
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Thu Dec-01-11 11:40 AM Response to Reply #139 |
152. No it isn't. That's your standard response when you've lost the bubble. nt |
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KittyWampus
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Wed Nov-30-11 10:34 AM Response to Reply #31 |
40. #1. I agree about not leaving toddlers in front of tvs/computers all day. |
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MADem
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Wed Nov-30-11 12:01 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. But then, you apparently wouldn't have a problem with cigarette ads aimed at toddlers either. |
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Luminous Animal
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Wed Nov-30-11 04:25 PM Response to Reply #46 |
78. Kids can't drive either but advertising is directed at them in order to create brand loyalty. |
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MADem
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Wed Nov-30-11 09:22 PM Response to Reply #78 |
104. And the reason kids see these ads is because people like you bemoan them |
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Luminous Animal
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Thu Dec-01-11 12:26 AM Response to Reply #104 |
114. You seem to know a lot about me. My kid was raised without TV and as she |
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MADem
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Thu Dec-01-11 12:39 AM Response to Reply #114 |
116. Well, two points. Your lead paint analogy still sucks, and you proved my point. |
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Luminous Animal
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Thu Dec-01-11 01:04 AM Response to Reply #116 |
118. No. I had to go through extra-ordinary efforts that I had the resources, |
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MADem
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Thu Dec-01-11 01:31 AM Response to Reply #118 |
124. You are preaching to the choir. Anyone who has time to fart around on DU |
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Luminous Animal
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Thu Dec-01-11 01:41 AM Response to Reply #124 |
127. The vast majoirty of people do not have that luxury of time. Thus the necessity of the fringe that |
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MADem
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Thu Dec-01-11 01:51 AM Response to Reply #127 |
130. I have decided that you are a complete idiot. Your offensive comments with regard to my family |
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Luminous Animal
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Thu Dec-01-11 02:02 AM Response to Reply #130 |
132. Well, Jack Riddler's kids are dull of comprehension, mentally deficient & unable to comprehend basic |
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MADem
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Thu Dec-01-11 02:07 AM Response to Reply #132 |
133. You can't READ either. Obviously the difference between a question and a statement |
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Luminous Animal
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Thu Dec-01-11 02:24 AM Response to Reply #133 |
134. I don't understand the concept of a question? Moi? |
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MADem
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Thu Dec-01-11 02:28 AM Response to Reply #134 |
135. Go back and read the "dull of comprehension" post you referenced earlier. |
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Luminous Animal
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Thu Dec-01-11 02:41 AM Response to Reply #135 |
136. Actually, you said I insulted your children. Nope, just asking questions. Just like |
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MADem
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Thu Dec-01-11 04:28 AM Response to Reply #136 |
138. Piss off. nt |
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JackRiddler
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Thu Dec-01-11 11:28 AM Response to Reply #138 |
150. Enjoy your burger |
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MADem
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Thu Dec-01-11 11:39 AM Response to Reply #150 |
151. I don't eat them--I know how to say NO. Try it sometime. nt |
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JackRiddler
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Thu Dec-01-11 04:13 PM Response to Reply #151 |
156. No. |
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Cid_B
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Thu Dec-01-11 08:10 AM Response to Reply #46 |
141. It's a total abdication of responsibility... |
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MADem
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Thu Dec-01-11 11:48 AM Response to Reply #141 |
154. TY. nt |
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Hugabear
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Wed Nov-30-11 04:34 PM Response to Reply #31 |
79. Who said anything about allowing them to watch TV "all day"? |
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MADem
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Wed Nov-30-11 09:29 PM Response to Reply #79 |
105. If you are incapable of talking to your kids about what they see around them, you need |
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RandySF
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Wed Nov-30-11 12:08 AM Response to Reply #9 |
19. Then let me ask this. |
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Luminous Animal
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Wed Nov-30-11 12:17 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. He did focus on healthier lunches. He pushed for healthier vending machines... |
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Mimosa
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Wed Nov-30-11 12:10 AM Response to Reply #9 |
20. Parents can choose whether to take kids to McD's. |
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Recovered Repug
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Wed Nov-30-11 02:16 AM Response to Reply #20 |
26. If you let the parents choose, |
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EFerrari
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Wed Nov-30-11 05:22 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. What bs. That garbage is not marketed to the parents. |
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Codeine
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Wed Nov-30-11 09:54 AM Response to Reply #29 |
34. So tell your kids "no". |
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Recovered Repug
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Wed Nov-30-11 10:22 AM Response to Reply #29 |
37. The truth is sometimes painful to hear. |
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JackRiddler
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Wed Nov-30-11 10:33 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. This isn't about controlling the public's actions. It's about stopping McDonald's... |
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Recovered Repug
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Wed Nov-30-11 10:46 AM Response to Reply #39 |
42. How is it "stopping the brainwashing of children"? |
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JackRiddler
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Wed Nov-30-11 10:55 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. But I agree: It's an ineffective, even counterproductive approach. |
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Luminous Animal
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Wed Nov-30-11 05:49 PM Response to Reply #44 |
86. I agree. |
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JackRiddler
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Wed Nov-30-11 07:13 PM Response to Reply #86 |
101. Decades of social science, unfortunately, is also on the advertisers' side. |
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LanternWaste
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Wed Nov-30-11 12:30 PM Response to Reply #37 |
48. Precisely. Upton Sinclare's 'The Jungle' was little more than... |
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MADem
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Wed Nov-30-11 12:57 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. That's asinine. Sinclair exposed practices that were hazardous and |
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MADem
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Wed Nov-30-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #37 |
50. Now, there's a powerful truth. |
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Xithras
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Wed Nov-30-11 02:45 PM Response to Reply #29 |
67. Marketed to kids, but bought by parents. |
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MADem
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Wed Nov-30-11 03:48 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. +1,000,000. Now THAT's parenting! nt |
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AlecBGreen
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Wed Nov-30-11 04:22 PM Response to Reply #67 |
77. bravo |
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Luminous Animal
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Wed Nov-30-11 05:55 PM Response to Reply #67 |
87. I never claimed it isn't easy to say no but parents shouldn't have to be constantly |
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MADem
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Wed Nov-30-11 06:02 AM Response to Reply #9 |
30. It didn't work, though, did it? In this case, it is ineffective nannying. |
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ProgressiveProfessor
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Tue Nov-29-11 09:49 PM Response to Original message |
3. Truly amusing to see Mar hoist on his own petard |
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Luminous Animal
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Tue Nov-29-11 10:25 PM Response to Original message |
5. This article makes no sense. Kids can still get a free toy with the healthier version |
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Recovered Repug
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Tue Nov-29-11 10:30 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. As I read it, the healthier versions don't meet the required |
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Luminous Animal
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Tue Nov-29-11 10:39 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Well there you go. Parents can, with full knowledge, buy their kids crap and thow in the extra |
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Imajika
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Tue Nov-29-11 10:35 PM Original message |
What will this accomplish? |
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rpannier
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Tue Nov-29-11 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
11. Because it placated a loud, fringe group of people |
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Luminous Animal
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Tue Nov-29-11 11:37 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Hahaha! Most parents say no! Hahaha! And that is why Happy Meals are wildly successful! |
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rpannier
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Wed Nov-30-11 01:51 AM Response to Reply #16 |
24. Yeah sure |
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MedicalAdmin
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Thu Dec-01-11 08:48 AM Response to Reply #24 |
144. Actually the emerging field of epigenetics says pretty much just that. |
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MedicalAdmin
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Thu Dec-01-11 08:48 AM Response to Reply #24 |
145. Actually the emerging field of epigenetics says pretty much just that. |
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dionysus
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Wed Nov-30-11 10:00 AM Response to Reply #16 |
35. yes, lead paint is just like happy meals... it's funny the people who wail about |
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MADem
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Wed Nov-30-11 12:59 PM Response to Reply #35 |
52. I am with you--the hypocrisy--and it seems to be unwitting--is astounding. nt |
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dionysus
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Wed Nov-30-11 01:56 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. when i was kid; |
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MADem
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Wed Nov-30-11 02:20 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. +1,000,000. |
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WolverineDG
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Wed Nov-30-11 03:50 PM Response to Reply #35 |
74. Don't forget, it's child abuse too |
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MadHound
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Tue Nov-29-11 10:35 PM Response to Original message |
7. All this because parents can't say no to their kids |
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Luminous Animal
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Tue Nov-29-11 11:32 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. Yes. Because that is all parents want to do is say no to their children. |
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RandySF
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Wed Nov-30-11 12:14 AM Response to Reply #15 |
21. I don't mind saying no. |
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Luminous Animal
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Wed Nov-30-11 12:35 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. I don't mind saying no either. I minded that, if I allowed it, my child's head would |
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Cid_B
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Wed Nov-30-11 05:19 AM Response to Reply #23 |
28. So what happens when she grows up... |
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JackRiddler
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Wed Nov-30-11 01:45 PM Response to Reply #28 |
55. So McDonald's is the taste of freedom? |
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MADem
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Wed Nov-30-11 02:28 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. That four year old will not be "manipulated" unless he or she has shitty parents. nt |
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JackRiddler
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Wed Nov-30-11 04:56 PM Response to Reply #62 |
81. Absolute bullshit. |
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MADem
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Wed Nov-30-11 09:16 PM Response to Reply #81 |
102. No, but thanks for playing. nt |
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Luminous Animal
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Thu Dec-01-11 01:10 AM Response to Reply #81 |
119. It is amazing that MADem cannot see the tyranny of the market place that |
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MADem
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Thu Dec-01-11 01:39 AM Response to Reply #119 |
126. It is amazing that Luminous Animal cannot understand that you do not HAVE to OBEY the TV. |
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JackRiddler
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Thu Dec-01-11 08:06 AM Response to Reply #126 |
140. This is self-evidently untrue. Luminous constantly shows this understanding... |
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MADem
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Thu Dec-01-11 11:15 AM Response to Reply #140 |
149. And you know this how? One of your alter-egos? |
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Luminous Animal
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Wed Nov-30-11 05:02 PM Response to Reply #28 |
82. She is grown up. She has been at the age of reason for quite some time now and has the |
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dionysus
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Wed Nov-30-11 10:04 AM Response to Reply #23 |
36. so you blame advertising because you can't say no to a child. about a happy meal. gotcha. |
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JackRiddler
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Wed Nov-30-11 10:47 AM Response to Reply #36 |
43. That is a nonsequitur with no bearing on anything Luminous Animal wrote. Outrageous misreading. |
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Luminous Animal
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Wed Nov-30-11 05:09 PM Response to Reply #36 |
83. No. I blame advertising towards children for driving a wedge between the parent/child |
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The Straight Story
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Wed Nov-30-11 01:44 PM Response to Reply #23 |
54. Well, the Amish don't seem to have this problem, and didn't need SF to pass laws to help them |
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MADem
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Wed Nov-30-11 02:30 PM Response to Reply #54 |
63. +1. Gee, I wonder how in the world they manage such an impossible task? After all, those |
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Luminous Animal
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Wed Nov-30-11 06:19 PM Response to Reply #54 |
90. The Amish have their own laws. They live in a repressive closed society in which |
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Lyric
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Wed Nov-30-11 06:50 AM Response to Reply #7 |
32. Correction: SOME parents can't say no. |
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JackRiddler
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Wed Nov-30-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #32 |
58. The problem is not parents who can't say no. It's advertisers who can't resist manipulating children |
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MADem
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Wed Nov-30-11 02:33 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. Oh, nonsense. Turn off the frigging TV. As Straight Story pointed out, the |
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CreekDog
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Wed Nov-30-11 03:38 PM Response to Reply #65 |
70. it's not a crime to say what you can sell and how you can sell it |
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Luminous Animal
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Wed Nov-30-11 06:25 PM Response to Reply #65 |
91. To suggest that U.S. parents raise their children in Amish manner is ignorant. |
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MADem
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Wed Nov-30-11 09:41 PM Response to Reply #91 |
106. No -- just do one thing the Amish do. Don't let the kiddies control the remote. |
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WolverineDG
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Wed Nov-30-11 03:39 PM Response to Reply #7 |
71. Not "can't" but "won't" |
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Luminous Animal
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Wed Nov-30-11 06:37 PM Response to Reply #71 |
93. That that's not the rugged puritan way. Life is supposed to be a joyless struggle |
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WolverineDG
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Wed Nov-30-11 06:49 PM Response to Reply #93 |
98. OMG |
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Luminous Animal
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Wed Nov-30-11 06:56 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. It was a joke. So when parents painted their homes and cribs with lead paint, |
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cherokeeprogressive
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Tue Nov-29-11 11:18 PM Response to Original message |
10. And the nannies get stomped once again. Go figure. |
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JackRiddler
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Wed Nov-30-11 10:35 AM Response to Reply #10 |
41. Yay! McDonald's wins! Go team! |
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flvegan
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Tue Nov-29-11 11:24 PM Response to Original message |
12. Thank the food gods they've found a way to continue to feed shit to kids. |
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Luminous Animal
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Tue Nov-29-11 11:38 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. It took "fringe" groups 70 years to get lead out of paint. Thank Hank for "fringe" groups. |
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uppityperson
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Tue Nov-29-11 11:29 PM Response to Original message |
13. Yrs back they had an "All American Meal" which was a happy meal minus toy for 50 cents less |
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Erose999
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Wed Nov-30-11 03:50 PM Response to Reply #13 |
73. The other part of the Happy Meal used to be that the box had games, puzzles, and jokes on it. |
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apocalypsehow
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Tue Nov-29-11 11:30 PM Response to Original message |
14. Hmmmm. n/t. |
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JCMach1
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Wed Nov-30-11 01:51 AM Response to Original message |
25. Idiotic laws will always have idiotic work-arounds... |
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jberryhill
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Wed Nov-30-11 03:40 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Yes |
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Zywiec
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Wed Nov-30-11 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
33. K&R n/t |
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LanternWaste
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Wed Nov-30-11 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
47. The profit motive seems to trumps good intentions far more often than not. |
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KamaAina
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Wed Nov-30-11 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
49. Work-around for the work-around |
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Enrique
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Wed Nov-30-11 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
56. I don't trust this account |
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chaska
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Wed Nov-30-11 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
57. Dear GOD, I hate stupid-America! (yes, they are now a hyphenated subset) |
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kiva
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Wed Nov-30-11 02:30 PM Response to Reply #57 |
64. If the community hates McDonalds so much, |
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KamaAina
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Wed Nov-30-11 02:45 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. A lot of McD's customers in SF are poor |
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kiva
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Wed Nov-30-11 05:40 PM Response to Reply #66 |
84. That (to me) is a great reason to boycott McDonalds. |
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Wed Nov-30-11 06:44 PM Response to Reply #84 |
96. It's just that particular McDonald's |
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Thu Dec-01-11 08:20 AM Response to Reply #96 |
143. That's because it's an option |
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Wed Nov-30-11 05:56 PM Response to Reply #64 |
88. If the community of the U.S. hated lead paint so much, why did it exist in the U.S. |
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Wed Nov-30-11 10:48 PM Response to Reply #88 |
110. Because the majority of Americans did not know |
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Thu Dec-01-11 09:01 AM Response to Reply #110 |
146. Neither is your ignorance of metabolic disease |
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Thu Dec-01-11 10:47 AM Response to Reply #146 |
148. Are you agreeing with the above poster |
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Thu Dec-01-11 12:08 PM Response to Reply #148 |
155. No I don't seem them as equivalent... |
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Fri Dec-02-11 12:20 PM Response to Reply #155 |
158. Know what you mean, |
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Fri Dec-02-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #158 |
159. A friend once told me that I argue like a combination ... |
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Sat Dec-03-11 01:05 AM Response to Reply #159 |
160. No, it's all good and we're on the same side of most things, |
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Wed Nov-30-11 02:50 PM Response to Reply #57 |
68. Subset? |
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Wed Nov-30-11 06:08 PM Response to Reply #57 |
89. Yeah we all know it's just "stupid-Americans" that go to McDonalds |
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Thu Dec-01-11 01:24 AM Response to Reply #57 |
123. Most obviously are NOT the community mores - |
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Wed Nov-30-11 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
69. K&R |
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Wed Nov-30-11 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
75. once a week. my kids got a happy meal once a week when they hit 4 or 5 |
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Wed Nov-30-11 05:47 PM Response to Reply #75 |
85. Kids and parents can still get a Happy Meal. Nobody is taking anything away from anyone. |
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Wed Nov-30-11 06:32 PM Response to Reply #85 |
92. That is strictly speaking not true |
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Wed Nov-30-11 06:42 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. You still get the Happy Meal. |
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Thu Dec-01-11 08:15 AM Response to Reply #95 |
142. You could grow up & say "No" to your kid on occasion |
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Wed Nov-30-11 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
76. happy meals are not unhealthy |
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Wed Nov-30-11 06:40 PM Response to Reply #76 |
94. 18 grams of fat and about 700 milligrams of sodium isn't quite "healthy" either |
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Wed Nov-30-11 07:00 PM Response to Reply #94 |
100. Sure it is |
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Wed Nov-30-11 09:44 PM Response to Reply #100 |
107. If they put that burger on an oat bran bun, they'd be on their merry way in the fiber department. nt |
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Wed Nov-30-11 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
97. Good |
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Thu Dec-01-11 01:11 AM Response to Original message |
120. Good for McDonald's |
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Thu Dec-01-11 01:17 AM Response to Original message |
122. McDonald's Toy = $0.10. Sticking it to the Nanny-State = PRICELESS! |
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Sun Dec-04-11 08:12 PM Response to Reply #122 |
161. I wish it was |
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Thu Dec-01-11 03:54 AM Response to Original message |
137. GOOD, I HATE McDonalds but I HATE the food police even more |
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Fri Dec-02-11 02:46 AM Response to Reply #137 |
157. I had to wade through countless comments, including a huge |
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