#OccupyLA bail set at $5000 apiece for 409 misdemeanor. What?!! Please call City Council

[Fire Walk With Me]

#OccupyLA bail set at $5000 apiece for 409 misdemeanor. What?!! Please call City Council to reduce their bail

http://www.lacity.org/YourGovernment/CityCouncil/index.htm ~pj

(#Occupy Los Angeles only have some $12,000 total. Evidently he who has the gold, makes the rules.)

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I changed the spelling because the #OLA reporter might just be a touch upset about last night's destruction of the 1st and 4th Amendments and the subsequent PUNISHMENT of those attempting to exercise those rights through unreasonable bail, by the "Do what we say or else" crowd.

Because people under such circumstances deserve a little break, they've had enough bullshit already without details derailing that which is outrageous, unacceptable, and important. You know.

[Dreamer Tatum]

1. "Each," not "apiece," and certainly not "a piece." nt

[EFerrari]

2. Thank you, Idiom police. nt

[madfloridian]

48. I hate it when that happens.

People post an important point and here come the nitpickers to tear it apart.

[freshwest]

60. Because they've nothing of value to add to any discussion. Sayonara to trolls.

[Name removed]

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[Fire Walk With Me]

7. Distracted much?

[Safetykitten]

8. Some people get violently pendandtic over spelling and such.

[Dreamer Tatum]

9. (sic) nt

[Fire Walk With Me]

17. Goodbye.

[CreekDog]

15. you're saying a Tweet needs to follow all rules of usage and grammar?

:wtf:

[valerief]

Ah, it's IMPORTANT to DIVERT the message, isn't it? nt

[freshwest]

50. Yes. Pathetic, isn't it?

[Cali_Democrat]

70. Very. n/t

[RetroLounge]

71. Who gives a fuck?

grow up.

RL

[Blue_In_AK]

72. Typical. n/t

[Chan790]

76. Actually "apiece" would be correct.

It's probably preferable even, as "each" sounds funny to the ear in that usage.

[Huey P. Long]

3. occupy -eom

[EFerrari]

5. So, they have to shell out $500 a piece, is that right?

LA is trying to deplete the occupation's resources faster than their own are depleted by their own strategy. We have to make sure they fail.

[Sal Minella]

10. What sort of "pieces" are they buying?

Pieces of what???

When the wrong words are used, the result makes no sense -- it's not a matter of "spelling" or "grammar" -- it's a matter of using language to make sense to a reader.

[EFerrari]

11. I'm not responsible for my readers' cultural literacy.

They are. :)

[Huey P. Long]

12. thanks for the kick. -eom

[EFerrari]

14. Okay, let me back up and not be snarky.

I don't have an OED here but I believe you are right and that the expression comes from piece work, where the worker is paid by the piece. I sew so many collars for your shirt factory and I get paid by the piece. So, I get 25 cents "a piece". That's how the phrase makes sense and means "each".

[Sal Minella]

36. "Apiece" means "each."

"A piece" means "per piece."

But I do admire your valiant struggle to be didactic.

[EFerrari]

38. I wasn't trying to be didactic, I was trying to be civil.

lol

Maybe you, the better makir, could explain the difference between "each" and "per piece".

:)

[Sal Minella]

45. "The litterers were fined $100 apiece." =

Each person littering paid $100.
The litterers were fined $100 each.

"The litterers were fined $100 a piece" =
A fine of $100 was assessed for each bit of litter.
A fine of $100 was assessed per piece."

[valerief]

19. IMPORTANT to DIVERT the message. nt

[Ignis]

56. ...But extraneous, misapplied punctuation is apparently OK.

:wtf:

[freshwest]

61. No opinion on the OP other than grsmmar. Oh, well, there's a kick.

[Angry Dragon]

13. You should add one more zero

[EFerrari]

21. Not for a bail bond. n/t

[Fire Walk With Me]

16. You misread... three zeros. $5,000 each.

[EFerrari]

18. The bondsman usually only wants 10% in cash

to issue the bond.

[Fire Walk With Me]

20. Ah, thank you.

[EFerrari]

23. That's still a lot of money, especially if this isn't a one time thing. n/t

[Angry Dragon]

29. But then loses that 10%

[EFerrari]

32. The bondsman doesn't but yes, the defendent does. nt

[kestrel91316]

34. If you show up for your hearing/trial you get your bail refunded.

That's how I thought it worked. I don't think the bail bondsman keeps the whole $500.

[EFerrari]

35. Not that I know of. It's the fee you pay for the bond

and how the bondsman stays in business.

[kestrel91316]

39. Oh. Makes sense. I've never been arrested so I don't know these things.

[Fire Walk With Me]

40. I didn't either. Thanks Eferrari for that. It's insult on top of injury.

[pinboy3niner]

44. And the bondsman is out $4500 if you fail to appear for your court date

Enter Dog the Bounty Hunter... :evilgrin:

[Freddie Stubbs]

6. Bail is set by City Council?

[dipsydoodle]

22. Do actually have to pay the dough

or just prove you're good for it in the USA?

Is the alternative to not paying a straight lock up job?

[pinboy3niner]

25. You pay 10% to a bondsman, who pays the full amount

If you don't show up for your court date, you're on 'Dog the Bounty Hunter.' :)

[dipsydoodle]

27. Oh!

We don't have such a thing in the UK.

Its straight forward simple proof of ability to pay in most cases.

[EFerrari]

26. Usually, you pay 10% to get a bail bond.

If you have good nerves, you can also just sit there until the District Attorney throws the charges out, which has to happen within three days here. Then, you might face a court appearance, an arraignment, should the DA choose not to drop the charges against you. It can be harder to coordinate with your attorney for this hearing if you are still in jail but it's not impossible usually.

[DocMac]

31. If you don't post bail

you will sit in jail until your trial is over or if you plead guilty and take some plea bargain. You could request a speedy trial but that is normally within 6 months.

[dipsydoodle]

42. That is the same here

No bail : stay locked up on remand. Due to that I stood bail for £10,000 twenty years ago for a friends son to save him from being banged up for Xmas. My friend had a record so wasn't allowed to stand bail himself.

[DocMac]

46. So, if you have a criminal record

and get arrested you are not allowed to post your own bail?

Even if you have the money? Man, that is just messed up.

[dipsydoodle]

47. Criminal record

you can' t stand bail period.

[DocMac]

65. That is just crazy.

I hope the Republicans never hear of that. That would be something they would love to do here.

[femrap]

24. Fucking

oppressing government. Violent people get less of a bail.

And I'm really shocked that there is only one woman on the LA City Council.

Can't a decent judge do something???

[animato]

28. Isn't LA letting people out of jail due to overcrowding?

What is this a shakedown of people's friends and families, that is so insane considering overcrowding and similar fines elsewhere.

[EFerrari]

30. This is an attempt to shake down OWS and squeeze their resources.

They are counting on us running out of money before they do with their 1200 cops deployed to arrest peace grannies. We need to make sure they lose.

[Eyerish]

33. Per KTLA:

"Bail was set at $5,000 each. Police did not want to cite and release the protesters for fear that they would immediately return."

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-occupy-la,0,6652498.story

I wonder if after they've cleared it out, they'll reduce bail.

[EFerrari]

37. What I saw last night, after the PD cleared the park

and were involved in processing those arrests, tens if not hundreds of people found a way through the cordoned off streets and began demonstrating there. I fell over at that point and don't know if any of them were arrested.

The LAPD cannot clear anything for more than a moment at a time.

[Fire Walk With Me]

43. City Hall is currently cordoned and fenced:

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/lat1test

[meow2u3]

53. Two words: excessive bail

Three more words: Eighth Amendment Violations.

Get ready to fork over some money to Occupy protesters in the form of civil rights suits because of the unreasonably high bail for "unlawful assembly."

[coalition_unwilling]

41. I hope the NLG files against the city on the grounds that this bail is

excessive and thus in direct violation of the U.S. Constitution. Ridiculous.

LAPD protect and serve the 1%.

[gkhouston]

49. What's the typical bail for misdemeanors?

For something this minor, $5000 is insane.

[Crabby Appleton]

55. In LA, P.C. Section 409 Failure to Disperse

Standard Bail Schedule is $5000. Many places you'd get out on Personal Recognizance - a promise to appear - if you're not a flight risk and not a threat to others.

[gkhouston]

57. Thanks. I was thinking "personal recognizance" sounded more proportionate. n/t

[freshwest]

51. Walk Fire With Me, apparently they want them held over until trial, making sure that if they have ..

Jobs or family to take care of, their lives will be disrupted..

I still don't see what they are being charged with. Did I miss that?

Your link took me to the contact page, not the story.

I don't think that OWS should be spending its limited cash reserves on bail because they will just bankrupt OWS by doing so.

BTW, I know this isn't the OWS in NYC, but I call all of them OWS.

Thanks for keeping us up to date on the latest tactic...

[Fire Walk With Me]

58. Yes, this is in itself yet another attack upon #Occupy. The source was a Tweet from #OLA.

I do not have any further links. You're welcome! :hi:

[and-justice-for-all]

52. For a non-violent demo??? WTF?? nt

[B Calm]

54. One more reason why these people should demand jury trials.

[Fire Walk With Me]

59. Here is where the detained #Occupiers are being held if you can help:

Bail is set for 5000 @occupyla and most are held at the Metropolitan jail on Los Angeles St. Bring cash or cashiers check to bail people out

[freshwest]

62. Kicking that... Never saw so much silly opposition to discussing a thread.

[lonestarnot]

63. That is absurd!

[Fire Walk With Me]

64. Occupy LA's legal team demands release of protesters

http://www.scpr.org/news/2011/11/30/30126/national-lawyers-guild-demands-release-all-occupy-/

The National Lawyers Guild has released a statement demanding the "immediate release" of all Occupy LA protesters arrested last night during the LAPD raid.

"The Los Angeles Police Department is deliberately refusing to release anyone arrested in the Occupy raids with a notice to appear," National Lawyers Guild board member, Carol Sobel, said in the statement. "The City is holding them in jail on $5,000 bail until they can be arraigned by a judge, which can take up to 48 hours. This punishes people for exercising their First Amendment rights."

LAPD has confirmed that 292 protesters are being held on $5,000 bail and that all have been charged with some form of misdemeanor.

[Huey P. Long]

66. .

[Huey P. Long]

67. .

[kiranon]

68. Perhaps, if they say they want to "occupy" the jails, they will be let out.

There is no room at the jails and hundreds or thousands who do not want to be let out will cause chaos in the judicial system. Each could ask for a public defender and a trial. Good bye court system. Good bye charges.

[B Calm]

69. Exactly. They ALL need to demand Jury Trials of their peers. It's their right!

[Fire Walk With Me]

73. City attorney will not return calls of assigned public defenders of arrestees.

SteveW0130 Steve Woodward
#ola292 #occupyLA City attorney will not return calls of assigned public defenders of arrestees.

[sabrina 1]

74. I just spoke to a very nice woman at the office of

Ed Reyes. She said she agrees with Protesters, and in fact, one of her own friends has been detained and she said, he is a very wonderful, peaceful person.

I asked if she knew why the bail has been set so high. She said 'no', that the City Council was not responsible for that.

She also said she appreciates calls like mine and offered to give me updates on the status of those being held if I would call back or email her.

I think everyone should call, she seemed to feel it was a good thing to hear from the public in support of the protesters.

The update she had was that the cases have not been referred yet for prosecution and that their Lawyer from the Lawyer's Guild, (those people are heroes) is arguing for their release right now.

I did ask if anything had been about the cops who had hurt protesters but she did not know.

[Fire Walk With Me]

75. Update: NLG gets bail reduced to $2,000 per.

NationalLawyersGuild
Update: L.A. bail commissioner has reduced occupiers bail to $2,000 but Guild lawyers will still push for release on their own recognizance.

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409 offenders are supposedly always released after being cited, on their own recognizance. NOT being jailed for two+ days, etc.