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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-12 10:34 PM
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Any of the remaining Blue Dogs who vote to hold Holder in contempt must be voted out in November.
Flashback to Election 2010:


According to an analysis by The Huffington Post, 22 of the 46 Blue Dogs up for re-election went down on Tuesday.

November 3, 2010

BLUE DOGS WHO LOST (22)

Mike Arcuri (NY)
Allen Boyd (FL)
Bobby Bright (AL)
Christopher Carney (PA)
Travis Childers (MS)
Kathy Dahlkemper (PA)
Lincoln Davis (TN)
Stephanie Herseth-Sandlin (SD)
Baron Hill (IN)
Frank Kratovil (MD)
Betsy Markey (CO)
Jim Marshall (GA)
Walt Minnick (ID)
Harry Mitchell (AZ)
Patrick Murphy (PA)
Scott Murphy (NY)
Glenn Nye (VA)
Earl Pomeroy (ND)
John Salazar (CO)
Zack Space (OH)
Gene Taylor (MS)
Charles Wilson (OH)




BLUE DOGS WHO STAYED (23)

Jason Altmire (PA)
Joe Baca (CA)
John Barrow (GA)
Dan Boren (OK)
Leonard Boswell (IA)
Dennis Cardoza (CA)
Ben Chandler (KY)
Jim Cooper (TN)
Henry Cuellar (TX)
Joe Donnelly (IN)
Jane Harman (CA)
Tim Holden (PA)
Mike McIntyre (NC)
Jim Matheson (UT)
Mike Michaud (ME)
Collin Peterson (MN)
Mike Ross (AR)
Loretta Sanchez (CA)
Adam Schiff (CA)
Kurt Schrader (OR)
David Scott (GA)
Heath Shuler (NC)
Mike Thompson (CA)




BLUE DOGS WHO RAN FOR HIGHER OFFICE (2)

Brad Ellsworth (IN) -- Lost Senate race
Charlie Melancon (LA) -- Lost Senate race




BLUE DOGS WHO RETIRED (4)

Marion Berry (AR)
Bart Gordon (TN)
Dennis Moore (KS)
John Tanner (TN)




BLUE DOGS IN RACES TOO CLOSE TO CALL (3)

Sanford Bishop (GA)
Jim Costa (CA)
Gabrielle Giffords (AZ)




June 26, 2012

Hoyer: Some Dems Will Vote To Hold Holder In Contempt For Fast And Furious


WASHINGTON (AP) — Now that the politically potent National Rifle Association is keeping score, some Democrats may join House Republicans if there’s a vote to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress in a dispute over documents related to a botched gun-tracking operation.

The chief Democratic House head counter, Rep. Steny Hoyer of Maryland, declined to tell reporters how many defections he expected, but acknowledged that some in his party would consider heeding the NRA’s call for a “yes” vote.

.....




June 27, 2012


At least five Democrats so far have said they plan to vote to hold Holder in contempt over his refusal to turn over Operation Fast and Furious documents. As many as 11 appear poised to break ranks, though sources earlier told Fox News that roughly 20 could do so.

Those Democrats are largely conservative-leaning lawmakers facing perilous political circumstances in their home districts. But regardless of motive, their support only increases the odds that the nation's top law enforcement official will be held in contempt of Congress come Thursday.

Should this happen, the vote would touch off a whole new legal process -- in which a U.S. attorney would be called upon to convene a grand jury to consider the allegations and whether to indict, though with Holder at the helm it's unclear how that would play out.

.....

"While Republicans and Democrats argue over the scope of the people's right to know what happened, the attorney general has decided to withhold relevant documents," Rep. John Barrow, D-Ga., said in a statement announcing he would support the contempt resolution. "The only way to get to the bottom of what happened is for the Department of Justice to turn over the remaining documents, so that we can work together to ensure this tragedy never happens again."

Other Democrats to announce an anti-Holder stance include Reps. Nick Rahall, D-W.Va.; Collin Peterson, D-Minn.; Jim Matheson, D-Utah; and Mike McIntyre, D-N.C.

Link via Main Justice




Any lawmakers masquerading as Democrats who vote tomorrow to hold the Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt must be voted out of Congress in November. They are the last remaining members of the House Blue Dogs, after 50 percent of their ranks were sent home by the voters in 2010.



We will be watching what these Blue Dogs do tomorrow.


Jason Altmire (PA)
Joe Baca (CA)
John Barrow (GA) (Set to announce intent to vote Holder in contempt)
Dan Boren (OK)
Leonard Boswell (IA)
Dennis Cardoza (CA)
Ben Chandler (KY)
Jim Cooper (TN)
Henry Cuellar (TX)
Joe Donnelly (IN)
Jane Harman (CA) (Has left Congress; replaced by Democrat Janice Hahn)
Tim Holden (PA)
Mike McIntyre (NC) (Set to announce intent to vote Holder in contempt)
Jim Matheson (UT) (Set to announce intent to vote Holder in contempt)
Mike Michaud (ME)
Collin Peterson (MN) (Set to announce intent to vote Holder in contempt)
Mike Ross (AR)
Loretta Sanchez (CA)
Adam Schiff (CA)
Kurt Schrader (OR)
David Scott (GA)
Heath Shuler (NC) (is retiring from House)
Mike Thompson (CA)

Nick Rahall, D-W.Va (Set to announce intent to vote Holder in contempt)
Rahall ought to be on this list.



Updates to this Blue Dog list here.



This focused scrutiny carries over to the ConservaDems in the Senate, for their destructive tendency to stray over to right wing thinking and voting.



Come November, we know what we need to do.









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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-12 11:38 PM
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1. I oppose expansion of Executive Privilege and stonewalling Congress, whether a Dem or a Rethug
Edited on Wed Jun-27-12 11:59 PM by No Elephants
is doing the expanding and the stonewalling.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=2484984&mesg_id=2484984

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2485192


Things I would have descried if Bushco had done them do not become acceptable to me simply because done by someone who, for whatever reasons, has chosen to put a (D) after his or her name, instead of an (R).

That said:

Not sure how I feel about the vote to hold Holder in contempt, which is also an expansion, but I doubt I would vote anyone out on the basis of that alone; and

I'm all for replacing every Blue Dog and centrist. Trouble is, the DNC does not agree. Moreover, replacing them with another Democrat is difficult:



If it's a choice between a genuine Republican, and a Republican in Democratic clothing, the people will choose the genuine article, every time; that is, they will take a Republican before they will a phony Democrat, and I don't want any phony Democratic candidates in this campaign.


President Harry Truman

http://trumanlibrary.org/publicpapers/index.php?pid=1296&st=republican+party&st1=

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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-12 12:42 AM
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2. Seventeen Democrats voted to hold Eric Holder in contempt. Eleven are Blue Dogs.
In 255-67 vote, House places Holder in contempt of Congress

By Jordy Yager and Pete Kasperowicz
6/28/12 04:37 PM ET


The House voted Thursday to place Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress for not complying with a congressional subpoena.

Seventeen Democrats bucked party lines and voted with Republicans to pass a criminal contempt resolution in a 255-67 vote. House Oversight and Government Affairs Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) pushed that resolution as part of his 16-month investigation into the botched "Fast and Furious" gun-tracking operation.


(....that began under the George W. Bush administration.)



Drum roll please.


Democrats voting for the resolution were:


Rep. Jason Altmire (Pa.) BLUE DOG

Rep. John Barrow (Ga.) BLUE DOG

Rep. Dan Boren (Okla.) BLUE DOG

Rep. Leonard Boswell (Iowa) BLUE DOG

Rep. Ben Chandler (Ky.) BLUE DOG

Rep. Mark Critz (Pa.)

Rep. Joe Donnelly (Ind.) BLUE DOG

Rep. Kathy Hochul (N.Y.)

Rep. Ron Kind (Wis.)

Rep. Larry Kissell (N.C.)

Rep. Jim Matheson (Utah) BLUE DOG

Rep. Mike McIntyre (N.C.) BLUE DOG

Rep. Bill Owens (N.Y.)

Rep. Collin Peterson (Minn.) BLUE DOG

Rep. Nick Rahall (W.Va.) BLUE DOG

Rep. Mike Ross (Ark.) BLUE DOG

Rep. Tim Walz (Minn.)




We will remember Blue Dogs and red-striped skunks come November.






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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-12 09:12 AM
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3. Thanks for the list.
I love the red-striped skunks.:rofl:
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-12 10:18 AM
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4. Delayed reaction: The only way you vote out a Democrat in November is to vote Republican or
third Party .


The primary is the time to replace a conservadem with someone more liberal (if you can--no one, including the DNC, is going to help make that easy for you.)
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Chemisse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-12 12:00 PM
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5. It's too late to vote them out without letting a Republican in.
Unless there are independents in the race who are more liberal than the Blue Dogs and actually have a strong chance of winning, we need to vote to keep them in office.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-12 07:52 PM
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6. One of the clearest examples of opportunity to change the dynamic was the FL 2010 US Senate race.
Edited on Mon Jul-02-12 08:07 PM by seafan
Unless there are independents in the race who are more liberal than the Blue Dogs and actually have a strong chance of winning, we need to vote to keep them in office.--- DUer Chemisse


Your point is well taken, Chemisse.



It is important to recognize the long term consequences of voting for a party label first and the good of the country last. We are witnessing firsthand the consequences of this, both at the state and federal levels.


A classic example occurred in Florida, in the 2010 U. S. Senate race, where party politics were responsible for yet another failure to anticipate the ugly outcome.


It was a case of a well-known Independent candidate with strong standing against a hard right Republican, as compared with the anemic chances of the little-known Democrat in the race, who had some troubling history.

Buried under all of the furor and party angst over this three-way U. S. Senate race among Democrat Kendrick Meek, Independent Governor Charlie Crist and right winger Marco Rubio, there was a major polling finding that was completely drowned out:


Days before the 2010 election, polls showed that in a two-way race between Rubio and Crist, it was tied at 46%. At that juncture, the Rubio camp and its allies threw the figurative smoke bomb into the room, to blind the people.

Hey fellas: it wasn't Crist and Meek who were "in a dead heat". It was Crist and Rubio.

People were beginning to see through the Republican deceit.


Crist faces Rubio and Democratic Rep. Kendrick Meek in the race for Florida's open Senate seat. A new Public Policy Polling survey released Tuesday found Rubio leading the field with 44%, Crist at 33% and Meek at 21%.

When the matchup is limited to Rubio and Crist, however, the two are knotted at 46% each. Some Democrats reportedly have discussed urging Meek to drop out of the race, something the four-term Democrat says will not happen. ---LA Times, October 13, 2010




Florida was forced down a dangerous path on that election day, because of the inability of many people to see clearly what was happening in that U. S. Senate race.

Anyone who has lived in Florida for the Jeb Bush/Marco Rubio era and has paid careful attention, knew how this was going to turn out, and it was clear as day.


With Governor Crist, we had teacher's rights and and women's reproductive rights protected. We had a governor who was clearly on the side of patients' private decisions, unlike Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio, as Terri Schiavo became a household name. We had a governor who welcomed the stimulus money that came Florida's way, instead of mocking it in contempt. We had ex-felons' voting rights restored. We had our voting hours extended. We had someone who stepped in the way of big utilities as they tried to jack up rates that people had to pay. And, in Charlie Crist, we had a governor who wanted to allow voters to decide whether we wanted to allow offshore oil drilling off our coasts.


With Governor Crist's record, we had the rare opportunity to send Rubio and his band of jackals, fixers and sugar daddies, packing.


Ultimately, the unfortunate outcome of this crucial election was that short-sighted party politics took over critical reasoning.


Now, tragically, we are saddled with Rubio on the national stage for 6 years, unless he self-destructs in the interim.


That may yet come to pass.



Never forget, tomorrow is another day.








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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-12 08:57 AM
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8. The Party backhandedly backed Crist. However, I am not sure that a Rethug newly turned Indie
Edited on Tue Jul-03-12 09:00 AM by No Elephants
can be trusted to be {supposedly] liberal once he or she gets to D.C., especially if he or she caucuses with Republicans.

Especially one who left the Republican Party only for his own ambition and not out of any conviction.

I think the Democratic Party should keep its nose out of primaries and then back the hell out of the Democratic candidate voters have chosen.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-12 08:54 AM
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7. Are any such allegedly liberal indies actually running against the Dems sea fan named?
Edited on Tue Jul-03-12 09:01 AM by No Elephants
If not, how do we throw out Democrats in November without making things even worse?
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-12 11:22 AM
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9. It may not be too late for primaries. Massachusetts's primary is not until September 6,
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