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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-12 09:10 AM
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Obama on Meet the Press tomorrow
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/12/29/Obama-going-on-Meet-the-Press/UPI-98481356787023/?spt=hs&or=tn

Yeah, the man has no bully pulpit whatsoever.

Did he use it for the public option? No? He used it to berate people who tried to hold him to his campaign promise of a public option as "the only way" and to call the public option a "sliver."

But, he is using it to cut "entitlements."
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-12 10:32 PM
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1. I wonder if we'll be treated to the "hard choices will have to be made" speech
and, "it's not going to popular but it's the right thing". I just keep hoping I'm wrong, and it's not going to be what I feel...


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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-12 02:32 AM
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2. Obama handed the Republicans huge victories before his inauguration.
The smaller victory was a Democratic President referring to "entitlements," a term the Republicans had been trying to hang on social safety nets for years. Once that happened, Democratic voters started defending his use of the term, Democrats in Congress chimed in with using it, etc.

The huge victory was a Democratic president saying cuts to entitlements were a necessity for good of the nation.

Republicans got that victory without giving up a single thing. They've had it since january 2009 and nothing can ever take it away. Whenever they want to make cuts, they can say, "Even Democrats know entitlements have to be cut. We have no choice."

DLC Presidents consider traditional Democrats like me a threat; and I consider them a threat.

Here is a copy and paste of a post I made on another thread. The links within that post did work for me when I previewed this post, but, just in case, I will also provid a link to the thread where the post quoted below originally appeared.




Putting Social Security on the table is a DLC policy and Obama's goal all along.Madfloridian posted about chained CPI's having been a DLC/Third Way brain child since at least 2011, when Third Way introduced its "new" plan to "reform" Social Security.

http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10022021626

I don't know what the "old" Third Way plan provided for, but I know that DLC was after Obama to get rid of "old" entitlement programs just about as soon as he got elected.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...



In January 2009, Obama pledged, after his first election, but before his first inauguration, to "reform" what he called "entitlements." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

In March or April 2010, just about as soon as he got his bail out of health insurers passed, maybe before, Obama appointed the cat food commission, appointing to head it two foes of Social Security. However, the commission did not recommend cuts to Social Security. On that commission were DLC-type Democrats and Republicans, very notably, Paul Ryan.

In May 2011, Bill Clinton, not realizing that he could be heard, offered to help Paul Ryan convince Democrats re: Paul Ryan's Medicare "reforms."

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/05/bill-clint... /

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Nnz-Z7azXg (note the denial in the comments, Democrats literally refusing to believe their own lyin' eyes and ears).


In July 2011, Congressman Conyers revealed:

“We’ve got to educate the American people at the same time we educate the President of the United States. The Republicans, Speaker Boehner or Majority Leader Cantor did not call for Social Security cuts in the budget deal. The President of the United States called for that,” Conyers, who has served in the House since 1965, said. “My response to him is to mass thousands of people in front of the White House to protest this,” Conyers said strongly.


http://www.crewof42.com/cbc/conyers-on-jobs-weve-had-it... / (more story and a video of Conyers at the link)

And Democrats attacked Conyers for telling the truth about Obama, not Obama for being the first to put Social Security and Medicare on the table.

Since about 1980, the Democratic Party and the Republican Party have had similar fiscal policies and similar behaviors. 1980 was over 30 years ago. I don't know if it is already too late for the 98%, but the 98% is going nowhere until it gets out of denial about both major political parties.

Bush wanted to alter Social Security, too, but failed miserably because Democratic politicians and Democratic voters opposed him. Obama will succeed because Democratic politicians will support him and Democratic voters will make excuses for him.


Link to thread where the post quoted above originally appeared. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2489773









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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-12 03:30 AM
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3. Chained CPI is wonderful!
Obama only does wonderful things. I read it on DU3.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-12 03:52 AM
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4. And if it's not wonderful, he did it only because he had zero choice.
For the public option, it was because a Democratic President had just washed a Democratic Congress and could not do a thing with it.

For failure of the Commander in Chief of the U.S. miilitary to repeal DADT without political cover from Congres, it was because he is so respectful of Constitutional separation of powers, not a dictator. (Not sure how that meshes with drone killings at his command, but I don't want to fall victim to foolish consistency.)

Even the statue of Lincoln at the Lincoln monument smirked at that one. Lincoln used his CIC powers to declare war on U.S. states andc to sign the Emancipation Proclamation, thereby changing the U.S. forever. By executive order as CIC.

And mind you, Lincoln was the President with whom Obama most wanted us to associate him. He rode part way from Chicago to Washington D.C. on a train, as Lincoln had. He was sworn in with his hand on same Bible as Lincoln. The menu at his luncheon on Inauguration Day consisted of Lincoln's favorite foods.

After his inauguration, of course, he switched to Reagan, and recently finally admitted that he is a Reagan Republican. (Had he been a DU3 poster saying that anonymously, he probably would have gotten himself banned. Ditto a DU2 poster before the switch to DU3.

But, I digress.

"I love Big Brother." Winston Smith.
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