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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-13 06:40 AM
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Child sex abuse crisis overshadows Benedict's legacy
Child sex abuse crisis overshadows Benedict's legacy\


http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/11/16929418-woefully-inadequate-or-a-great-reformer-child-sex-abuse-crisis-overshadows-benedicts-legacy?lite

Gee, ya think?


When Bennie was Baba John Paul's #2 guy, Every child abuse situation went through Bennie. Every one.

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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-13 04:31 PM
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1. I hope the new guy
moderates his stance on some things. Maybe he should abolish the doctrine of celibacy in the priesthood. And relax the birth control thing.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-13 11:06 PM
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4. I doubt we will see any of that.
I would like to see women move up from the servant class of Catholic clergy, but I don't think that will happen, either.

BTW, I don't think celibacy causes pedophilia. i know lots of celibate people-=-single and married-- who have no desire to molest children I also know three married men who have molested children (allegedly). Not that they are friends, but I have met them and their families. And incesters who molest their own children are almost always married.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-13 07:56 AM
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5. Yes, women in the priesthood.
Wouldn't that throw a wrench in the good ol' boy's club.

Of course molesters come in all stripes. But the priesthood appears to attract a larger number than the non-celibate general public and non-celibate clergy. I think opening the priesthood up to married men would reduce the number of potential pedophiles.

Until now there has been a code of silence. This would be far more difficult to maintain if clergy had their own children to be concerned about. Pedophilia will never be completely eliminated but the numbers can be changed dramatically.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-13 08:36 AM
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6. There are married pedophiles walking the the streets now.
Edited on Wed Feb-13-13 08:46 AM by No Elephants
Indeed, some of them marry to gain access to the woman's child or children by a prior marriage. Some molest their own children. Some molest their kids' friends or strangers.

True, they are not priests, but marriage does not take away their sexual attraction to children.

Forgive me, but if your wife left you, would you start molesting children? Either you have those urges and are unable to suppress them or not.

There have been priests who have seduced adult women. Allowing priests to marry might cut down on that, but I don't think celibacy changes people to that extent that a person who is sexually attracted to adults suddenly becomes sexually attracted to children.

As to a preponderance of pedophiles in the priesthood, I am not sure if that is accurate or if we just hear about it more if a member of the clergy is involved.

Now that cover ups have become almost as bad in the eyes of the public as the molestation, we are also hearing about molesters in teaching, coaching and so on. Situtations where there is access, trust and a huge imbalance in power, even beyond the imbalance inherent in the adult/child relationship.

Combine that with being Christ on Earth and not being subject to any significant consequences of any kind and that is the priesthood. So, you get moved to another unsuspecting parish after the parents in your parish became wary of you and stopped leaving you alone with their kids. For a pedophile, that was probably a benefit.

Also, although I cannot prove this, but I would bet that any kid who confessed a sexual attraction to children or any other kind of sexual issue got told by the confessor to pray for a vocation. Or, concluded on his or her (nuns) own that celibacy was the way and God would help them remain celibate.

Because, if you are truly celibate, you are not practicing any kind of sex, missionary position with a consenting adult female, or molestation. So, it does not matter what attracts you sexually. I have a feeling the priesthood seemed like a solution to both the confessor and to the person experiencing feelings they considered sinful.

And, if you look at the priest who started the man/boy/love organization, he was a total narcissist. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abuse_scandal_in_the_Catholic_archdiocese_of_Bosto His view was--wait for it--that punishing the adult molester is hard on the minor.

So was Father Porter, who molested at least 200 children because "I got a kick out of being their first sexual experience." Something he said to a victim who called him and asked why he had done it. No apology, no thought for the impact on the victim.

I think if you are a narcissist, being Christ on Earth and having special powers to change wine into the blood of Christ attracts you quite a bit, too, along with the adulation prior generations gave priests.

So, I don't think celibacy causes child molestation. There are just too many celibate people who either have no sexual attraction attraction whatever to children or are able to control whatever urges they may have.


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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-13 03:16 PM
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8. Well, I said this:
Edited on Wed Feb-13-13 03:46 PM by Enthusiast
"Of course molesters come in all stripes. But the priesthood appears to attract a larger number than the non-celibate general public and non-celibate clergy. I think opening the priesthood up to married men would reduce the number of potential pedophiles."




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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-13 10:48 AM
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10. I don't think one thing has anything to do with the other.
As I said, married men molest children, too.

I am failing to communicate, but I did the best I could.

Why a clear distinction about being sexually attracted to children is important: The church and others blame homosexuality for male priests molesting male children. But sexual attraction to a same gender adult is very different from sexual attraction to a child.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-13 03:48 PM
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9. I don't think celibacy causes child molestation, either.
And that is not what I said. Geesh.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-13 10:41 PM
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2. yeah, I think that scandal just overwhelmed him & it made him sick! their disaster not only was
moving about those priests, but then defending them, and not the victims and families.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-13 10:59 PM
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3. They still demonize the victims. Apparently, Catholic parents birth them a bunch
of seductive children, hell bent on leading priests astray.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-13 03:14 PM
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7. This is on DU3
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